A 7,000-Pound Car Smashed Through a Guardrail. That’s Bad News for All of Us.
Vehicles are getting way too heavy to be safe.
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vehicles over 5000 lbs should pay a tax, which should be used to upgrade infrastructure. This tax would likely be very steep.
I have to drive a pickup for work, why should I have a very steep tax for helping to build and fix your housing?
Can't tell if /s or not... Infrastructure isn't housing, it's roads, bridges, etc
Great, but the question stands, why should I be penelized for needing a vehicle that fixes and builds your housing?
Great question.
The better pitch is to consider the "tax" like an additional permit with increased costs, including mandatory more expensive insurance. It's the cost of doing business, wrapped into your overhead. The disparity between the large pickups and the smaller sedans of yesteryear are staggering; imagine if you could buy and operate a semi truck with the same costs and licensing as a sedan. Trailers parked in front of your house completely obscuring the street, or taking up extra spots at the grocery store. People who don't know the size of their vehicle knocking over signs and mailboxes. More roadkill, dead pets, and pedestrian fatalities because there are so many blind spots for such a big truck.
Obviously, pickups and semis are still quite different in size, but the point is that pickups and large SUVs are now so much bigger than sedans--bigger than what we built our streets and bridges for--that they present additional danger.
In short: these machines can be used to perform specific tasks, but they are not the same size, shape, or weight of our lived environment. Additional regulation is needed to offset the real effects on people and infrastructure (e.g., more difficult licensing, higher registration fees, higher tolls, etc.).
Everything you mention should be accounted for by higher insurance and the gas tax.
I think what we are running into is the conflict between freedom vs safety. I think it will get more apparent as people are not able to afford things that we have reached the point where we have too much regulation and things will get too expensive for people to afford.
Nah. People can't drive a bus or a semi without a CDL. It's not hard to get, sure, but you still have to go through at least some training and weeding out process, because those vehicles are more dangerous than a car. Bigger SUVs are now reaching that point, particularly if standard safety infrastructure is not designed for them. Once you hit that point, any person's freedom to drive it is outweighed by the freedom of everyone else to not be threatened by it. We can either redo every damn road in America, while also accepting much higher death rates, or we can limit these larger vehicles. Pretty obvious what the better option is.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "regulation". Increasing the cost, such as by mandating higher and more comprehensive insurance, or instituting a gas tax are both regulatory measures.
Why should you AS a member of society contribute to its betterment? You must know that driving over potholes with a pickup truck full of Materials and equipment tends to have negative consequences
@CableMonster @anothercatgirl
Just out of curiosity, what sort of truck do you drive?
Just a standard 1 ton pickup.
So not a 7000lb+ EV then?
@Rediphile @CableMonster
Yes those too!
There is probably some scientific way to do this. Measure the impact on roads, society, other road users and the environment. and tax the vehicles with the worst impact more.
The entire article is about an EV truck specifically.
No, just standard fuel. Are you guys against EVs now?
This whole thread started because someone mentioned the idea of taxing vehicles over 5000lbs, which a normal gas f150 is not. So this hypothetical tax probably wouldn't apply to your work truck.
And yeah, I also was poking fun at the people giving you shit because they are accidentally showing implied support for combustion engines.
And I'm having a giggle in general about how often people don't read the article or get sidetracked from what is actually even being talked about.
that's a quarter of the size of the vehicle in the headline though
@CableMonster
Thanks.
You can probably see where I am going with this.
There is a big difference between a smaller practice work truck and a giant monster truck.
The aim of any taxes should be to discourage certain trucks and encourage others.
IMO, you should be exempt. The vast majority of jobs don't require a truck, yet the F150 is the most-sold vehicle in the US. So you're in the minority.
I mean you kinda have a point. There absolutely are smaller, safer vehicles that would fit your needs. But unfortunately those aren't available in a lot of places (like the US).
I'd be down for a large vehicle tax, but you would need a way for people who genuinely need a truck to have it waived.
Why should I have to subsidize your oversized work vehicle and the extra wear and tear it causes our infrastructure?
Drive a van. Drive a truck that is reasonably sized and designed for human work (like are used in many countries around the world). Pickups don't have to be built on frames sized for semis.
Gas Tax covers the damage.
And you dont understand the needs of people that do work on housing, you can tow a significant trailer or haul heavy things with a van or small pickup. A half ton pickup is not useful for real work.
Excuses.
If you dont know what you are talking about then dont be a critique. Do some hard work and then you will get it.
I do get it. You have no reasonable excuse to drive a multi-ton pickup that's tall enough that you can't see people standing in front of it. There are alternatives or it's not needed as a daily driver. How is it that the rest of the world manages to accomplish the same things with smaller vehicles?
Keep trying to justify it to yourself or just own the fact that it's ostentatious and ridiculous.
I literally had a smaller vehicle before, and it didnt work. Again, do some real work so you actually understand what is needed and not needed.
What kind of conceited child tells people to "do some real work" and talks like no one else could exist but by the grace of their work?
Gotta be from the US, huh?
Take a look outside your country and see how things are done elsewhere. I can't fault you for the shitty US auto.industry continuing to needlessly bloat the size of vehicles past what is reasonable, but I can fault you for your blind support of it.
Go do some real work and take a good hard look at how your truck compares to those from the 1990s or the early 2000s. Unless it's specialized, does it have a bigger bed? Is the bed at a reasonable height for lifting things in and out of, or is it needlessly tall? Where are your spark plugs - do you need to take the entire cab off to access and replace them? How tall is the hood - when you hit a pedestrian, do they roll on top of the hood and survive or do they go under the vehicle and get dragged along and killed? Can you see around your vehicle enough to park and maneuver easily, or do you require a dedicated GPU and camera system that renders a 3D image of your surroundings because otherwise you couldn't park your rig because you can't see a single thing within 30 ft of your vehicle in any direction? When something goes wrong and your vehicle needs work, do you have to take it to a specialized mechanic to fix it, or can you take it to almost any mechanic to fix? Better yet, can you do some real work and fix it yourself, or does it require proprietary tools and specialized software to maintain?
You tell me: what is needed and what is not needed? New trucks suck. They are bloated, ostentatious pieces of trash.
Obviously I am not going to read that much from a flame thrower like you.
