Still waiting...

idk why you come here when you're obviously a lib and leftist content makes you uncomfortable.

Trump's salivating at an excuse to sic the national guard on radicals with no public support. It's probably the only thing that gets him hard.
Don't pretend to be left when you support a return to the old ways.
- well since you're not a radical you don't need to worry about us. just do as you normally do: sitting at home pretending to give a shit about minorities, like the good little white liberal you are.
  
  You must have missed the part where I explained these actions you promote will empower and embolden the fascists. Instead of trying to die martyrs to fringe groups you should be spreading influence of progressive activists and gain public support.
  
  you think fascists need something to be emboldened and empowered? They are doing as they please right now, dismantling system after system. currently they simply take away your chance of a blue congress by gerrymandering (and even imprisoning texas dems because they don't want to sign stuff). Peaceful protest only works when democracy is still working. You are beating a dead horse.

yes, meaningful changes towards fascism...

Progressive change has always had to face violent reactions. From abolition to the 40-hour workday, to child labour, to civil rights, to LGBT rights

I'm real glad we got those 40-hour workdays, 8 hours just wasn't enough! 😄
- lol, I meant to say workweeks :D
Abolition actually started with legislation which caused a violent uprising from the fucking Confederacy. Thats who you align yourself with?
- You're so close to getting it...
  Now guess who starts the violence in all other instances of progressive radical change. Hint: It's not the ones making the change.
  
  Then why are you promoting starting the viokence!?
  
  Everything meaningful we will do will be labeled as "violence". The point is that the things that will not be labeled as "violence" will be meaningless.
  
  "Violence is when I can't get on with my life and ignore everything bad that has been happening quietly"
  Like, Euromaidan here was definitely what most would label as "violence". It's also how the place I live in is still not a part of the imperialist shithole that is russia.
  
  Euromaidan was peaceful until the anti-protest measures were used by law enforcement, the Berkut deployed to violently disperse them, at the request of the then failing government. It started with 1,500 and after the crackdown grew to hundreds of thousands. After multiple weeks news of riots began to spread, but much of it can be attributed to Russian propoganda trying to lable the movement as xenophobic and hateful.
- Abolition actually started with legislation which caused a violent uprising from the fucking Confederacy
  Wrong. You are not just wrong, but you are violently racist.
  Abolition started with slaves freeing themselves. Nat Turner. Harriet Tubman. Without people like that, the Civil War would have never happened, slavery would have never ended.
  John Brown was inspired by Nat Turner, and he literally worked hand-in-hand with Harriet Tubman, who seriously considered joining him in his violent raid on Harper's Ferry. John Brown went on illegal (and violent) raids into the south to free slaves and then illegally transport them to Canada. John Brown murdered pro-slavery men in retaliation for their murders of abolitionists in Kansas. Do you think what John Brown did was wrong? Do you think arresting and executing John Brown was a good thing? Do you think Sherman's march to the sea and the violence he committed against southerners is a bad thing?
  I don't expect you to have the correct response, because you are a violently racist, anti-black person. You honestly believe that rich white dudes sitting in a room writing some words on a piece of paper had a bigger effect on ending slavery than black people who actually put their lives and bodies on the line to free themselves (displaying your internalized white supremacy).
  Please educate yourself. Start by reading The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Slave Resistance and the Origins of the United States of America by the fantastic author Gerald Horne. Or maybe you're too afraid to read this book, because it's not written by a "safe" old dead liberal white man.
- since you can't see Hexbear replies, here's one from @kurtvonnegut@hexbear.net.
  
  Are you asking me to respond? If a guy who promotes countries that practice ethnic cleansing today is frothing at the mouth calling me a racist then I must be a real monster for
  *checks notes
  Accurately recounting that the Confederates started the war over slavery.
  
  No, I just want you to be able to see how stupid everyone thinks you are.
  
  I think they might have mumblemouthed it but you bastards have decided among yourselves that their mispoken statement cannot merely represent an ignorant and misinformed read of history but an intentionally violently racist viewpoint. The screenshotted user was I warrant correct in their historical analysis and absolutely fucking wrong to put words in the thread-OPs mouth, as if earnestly trying to alienate instead of persuade or fact check a damn thing.
  Like yeah, abolition wouldn't have happened without black people, from freedmen writers to rebelling chattel slaves, advocated for themselves. All the well meaning white people (on average rarer then anyway) wouldn't have meant much without black people wanting to be free and making it known.
  Why would you go out of your way to read a person's response in the worst possible way? Maybe I'm just a fukken airhead but I didn't see any dogwhistle that justified how you lot are speaking to them. You simply decided to tar and feather the fucker for being kind of wrong about labor history. Then you springboarded into a merciless bed of assumptions.
  
  oh, cry me a fucking river. people in multiple threads have tried to educate him, and he's more interested in being a racist piece of shit liberal. if you don't like that then you and he can stop coming to leftist comms to try and dictate how we speak to people who are ideologically opposed to our existence. the fucking audacity of this caucasity .
  “The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man.” — Malcolm X
  
  Banjo deserves to be mocked as they have had years to learn better. But instead they double down on support of the Diet Fascism party.
  He's a racist piece of shit who thinks brown people deserve to be mistreated when they break any law, no matter how stupid or purposely racist they are.
  
  The more Tankies I upset the better.
  
  You're not upsetting anyone, we're all having a lot of fun.
  
  Lots of expletives getting thrown around by you dudes, lmao
  
  that's just seasoning our speech, you twatwaffle. this isn't .world, we don't buy that CiViLiTy bullshit here. if you want to be a disgusting racist pile of shit, we're going to treat you like the filth you are and viciously mock you. you keep coming here, so you obviously like it as much as we do.
  
  Maybe stop being a racist piece of shit and we'll treat you better ✨
  
  You're less of a troll and more of a clown we keep for amusement.
  
  Genuine question, what makes you think dbzer0/this community is tankie? We're anarchists, not Marxists and we get into tons of fighting with Hexbear/ml too.
  I saw that in another comment of yours in this thread but nevertheless.
  
  They think anyone that would dare disagree with them are either republicans or tankies. Especially when it's involving pointing out flaws in their logic or something they have no idea about. Like for example how ACA is just Romneycare, which is why gop have no replacement for it
  
  _cryptagion happily self identified as one, I've also been informed Hexbear is commenting on this post, and it hosts such communities as Libjerk which is Tankies' defensive reaction to Tankiejerk. You'll see tons of overlap between openly Tankie rhetoric on ML and Hexbear to here, if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you'll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
  You claim the two instances fight, but the votes tallies show a different story.
  
  at no point have I ever identified as a tankie. I mod the db0 Tankiejerk comm. I am also banned from Hexbear and ML.
  you are just too uneducated to understand that liberals are not leftists, and that there are more than one kind of leftist. the reason your brain cannot fathom this is because there is only one kind of liberal. a conservative one. which is why your party continues to this day to reach "across the aisle" to vote with literal fascists.
  
  This you?
  
  _cryptagion happily self identified as one
  I've never seen this. Can you provide a link?
  I've also been informed Hexbear is commenting on this post
  Yes, that's how federation works. Feddit.uk isn't tankie for federating with hexbear either, so idk what the point here is.
  and it hosts such communities as Libjerk which is Tankies' defensive reaction to Tankiejerk
  A) you realize we have our own tankie jerk community on dbzer0, modded by _cryptagion? That's why I'm hesitant to believe crypt claimed himself to be a tankie.
  B) leftists are opposed to liberalism, it makes sense why this would exist.
  You'll see tons of overlap between openly Tankie rhetoric on ML and Hexbear to here
  Such as? I'm genuinely curious.
  if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you'll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
  I'm gonna need a link to that, chief.
  By the way, what vote tally? You mean upvotes/downvotes? If so, they're not even displaying tankie rhetoric here, just basic stuff that many leftists, even anti-tankie ones, agree with.
  
  Hell I'm pretty sure Hexbear can't downvote, they don't have the ability to on their end. They do vote, but they can't downvote.
  
  Oh look, you get a cameo appearance lol
  
  By the way, what vote tally? You mean upvotes/downvotes? If so, they’re not even displaying tankie rhetoric here, just basic stuff that many leftists, even anti-tankie ones, agree with.
  Try it for yourself, post a few things critical of the CCP and Russia and see what happens.
  
  if you hang out on Flippanarchy long enough you’ll even see people quoting Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong unironically.
  Proof?
  You claim the two instances fight, but the votes tallies show a different story.
  If you ignore all the times Hexbear brigades us for calling out Stalin and Mao, and mock us for not wanting to support an authoritarian capitalist nation pretending to be socialist, then maybe.
  
  if you want to upset tankies you are wrong here, those are on the other side of town in authoritarian direction.

Please provide a real-world example of polite peaceful protest convincing the ruling class to do something it didn't want to do.

You don't change their minds by appealing to their conscience or humanity, you do it by making it less attractive for them to give you what you want than for them not to give it to you. Every single scrap of progress has been won by threatening disruption, economic damage or physical violence.

We didn't get weekends and eight hour workdays because capitalists thought it was the morally right thing to do, we did it because denying these demands came with a realistic risk of angry workers going to their mansions and beating them to death.

Bonus question: Can you define authoritarianism?

Piefed.world - hexbear.net federation is only one-way, but it would be hilarious to see finitebanjo get dunked on by Hexbear users lmao
- He can't handle world people dunking on him. Would be an utter bloodbath
  
  Lmao you're right, i'd still pay money to see it though 😂
  
  https://media.tenor.com/3Ff5FsIJHsYAAAAM/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn.gif

gestures broadly to America today

And this was the fault of the black panthers, I’m assuming?

I haven't seen anything good come from the Black Panthers aside from Gun Regulation. The civil rights movement was filled with peaceful protestors like King and gained bipartisan support.
- you heard it here, ladies and gents. the only good thing to come out of the panthers was the racist reaction to keep black people from being able to resist white oppression.
  way to out yourself as a racist piece of shit.
  
  People resisted white oppression in ways that mattered, just not the Black Panthers.
  
  Okay cracker, glad to see you bought into all the historical revision that the rich made up to scare white people.
- Lol.
  Lmao even.
  Thank you for summarizing how pointless it would be to engage further so succinctly.
  
  Skill Issue
- Thanks, village idiot, I needed a laugh today.

for centuries. Everyone in that timeframe who tried violence ended up in an authoritarian hellscape.

ooooooooommmmmmmmmfffffffffffffffffffffgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

french july revolution

greek war 1820s

all the various revolutions of the 1840s in europe

japan's restoration 1860s

cuban war late 1800s

chinese revolution 1910 (might be 1915. but fuck you btw)

just shut the fuck up you racist fucking moron

American revolutionists would like to have a word... And even though after the French revolution times were bad you can ask yourself whether they would have been any better off if the revolution hadn't occurred. Even if the French themselves weren't better off, fear of revolution triggered other authoritarian monarchs, like the Dutch king to agree to massive reforms. It's not always a simple A-leads-to-B connection.

That's fair.
- civil rights activists would like to have a word. women's suffrage would like a word.
  
  Thanks for the counterexamples to violent change.
  
  that's some real historical revisionism. it's no different than what trump is doing to the smithsonian. you two have a lot in common.
  but that's what you liberals do. you whitewash and appropriate the work of people like MLK and Malcom X, and use their "peaceful" resistance to fund raise while ignoring their advocacy or participation in protests liberals deem "violent".
  I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity. — Martin Luther King
  Whenever the Negroes keep the Democrats in power, they're keeping the Dixiecrats in power. This is true! A vote for a Democrat is nothing but a vote for a Dixiecrat. I know you don't like me saying that, but I'm not the kind of person who come here to say what you like. I'm going to tell you the truth, whether you like it or not. Up here in the North, you have the same thing. The Democratic Party don't do it, they don't do it that way. They got a thing that they call gerrymandering. They maneuver you out of power. Even though you can vote, they fix it so you're voting for nobody. They got you going and coming. In the South, they're outright political wolves. In the North, they're political foxes. A fox and a wolf are both canine, both belong to the dog family. Now, you take your choice. You going to choose a Northern dog or a Southern dog? Because either dog you choose, I guarantee you, you'll still be in the doghouse. This is why I say it's the ballot or the bullet. It's liberty or it's death. It's freedom for everybody or freedom for nobody. — Malcolm X
  
  It's like you didn't even read the statement from King, lmao.
  
  you are not smart. this is why you're getting so many downvotes any time you comment here.
  
  Pretty sure it's because this hive is infested with Tankies, but ok pal.
  
  Tankies are when you use actual history and don't defend racist policies. Got it.
  
  I highly recommend you read this excerpt.
  
  The suffragettes literally threw rocks at windows and commited arson.
  
  And because of that they were imprisoned and ridiculed by the media and didn't gain right to vote at 21 until 14 years later after their organization had a huge schism splitting into multiple factions
  However, a system of publicity, Ensor argues, had to continue to escalate to maintain its high visibility in the media. The hunger strikes and force-feeding did that, but the Pankhursts refused any advice and escalated their tactics. They turned to systematic disruption of Liberal Party meetings as well as physical violence in terms of damaging public buildings and arson. Searle says the methods of the suffragettes harmed the Liberal Party but failed to advance women's suffrage. When the Pankhursts decided to stop their militancy at the start of the war and enthusiastically support the war effort, the movement split and their leadership role ended.
  
  the liberals have been ridiculed by the media for the last 15 years. It's time for them to do something to be taken seriously - if they want that to happen, anyway

idk, seems more like you can end up in an authoritarian hellscape either way, because efforts to establish it have to be defeated constantly. as soon as ppl stop paying attention, authoritarianism creeps in the back door. so i think it's a different issue that just seems related, because after (violent) protests they will use those as an excuse for their coup, but they would just find something else otherwise, like crime rates or illegal immigrants or so.

Then we should fight it forever, the responsible way with minimal bloodshed. When our enemies are promoting bloody revolution you know it's not in our favor.

I see you've read your state provided history textbook well.