Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says
Ukraine Must Cede Territory in Any Peace Deal, Rubio Says
The secretary of state, heading to talks with Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia, said future talks with Moscow will be needed to determine what Russia is willing to give up to end the war.
Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.
Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.
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Negotiating?
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Specifically how? They were okay with neutrality before the genocidal war inflicted on them. They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.
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It's an unfair war inflicted on the Ukrainian population, but calling it genocidal is crazy. Look at the civilian casualty rate in Ukraine, and compare it with another non-genocidal war like that of the invasion of Iraq.
They just signaled that they are open to an immediate ceasefire, but the Russians denied the offer.
They're open to an immediate ceasefire on their own conditions, which isn't something you can expect when you're, you know, losing a war.
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Genocide is not about casualty numbers, or even targeting civilians. Just the kidnapping of Ukrainian children alone makes it genocidal. "Russification" is genocidal.
And the immediate ceasefire offer was not on any conditions of territorial exchange, just that they would stop shooting while negotiating. Russia categorically denied any stop to the war this year.
Also, why would you say they are losing? It's been a stalemate forever now, and the Russians actually controlled more territory in August 2022, much more territory. All the gains and losses this past year have hardly been a blip.
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Just the kidnapping of Ukrainian children alone makes it genocidal
Ah yes, the "kidnapping of 16.000 Ukrainian children" that the United Nations report couldn't verify and whose only source is the Ukrainian government, which is famously at war with the country it's accusing. There were some instances of kids in the frontline towns being found by the Russian military and in some cases being sent to Russia, but it's not a generalised thing mainly because, well, there are usually no fucking children in a frontline.
And the immediate ceasefire offer was not on any conditions of territorial exchange, just that they would stop shooting while negotiating. Russia categorically denied any stop to the war this year
Now that Russia is regaining Kursk at a fast pace, how would you expect Russia to want a ceasefire? "Hold up, we're losing fast, let's just stop the shooting altogether?"
Also, why would you say they are losing?
Because the Russian troops have been consistently advancing for the past two years, and in the past week most of Kursk including the city of Sudzha has been retaken by Russia. Just don't be surprised when the war ends by means of negotiation and the terms are bad to Ukraine.
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What are you even on about? Russia confirmed they took the kids and Putin specifically made a law so that they could be adopted by Russian families.
Russia is regaining some territory, but it's a miniscule amount compared to territorial gains and losses during the war. It's still a stalemate.
And so far, it's only the Russian side who has been surprised that their three day SMO entered its third year.
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What are you even on about? Russia confirmed they took the kids
What amount of kids are you talking about? I specifically mentioned that this happened occasionally with few children left behind in the frontlines. I also discussed the 16k number thrown around by the Ukrainian government not being backed by any evidence or independent research, and most likely being a propaganda stunt.
I don't have an interest in Russia winning, I'm sad for Ukrainian people and for the existence of the war, I'm just asking you to remember the people on the left of the political spectrum that have been asking for negotiations for the past 3 years, and who've been labeled as "pro-russian" for asking for negotiations as early as possible. The war will end with negotiations, the negotiations will most likely end up being unfortunate for Ukrainian interests and beneficial to the Russian government, and the 3 years of meat grinder could have been avoided if negotiations had happened from the start.
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