"Negotiating a peace deal"
Ukraine was not involved in the peace deal, it was Russia and the US alone behind closed doors.
That's not a normal peace deal.
And now Israel is voting in the UN in favor of Russia.
The US, Israel, and Russia are similar countries with similar leaders, similar goals, similar methods. Unless we actually see one of the three experience an internal revolution, an alliance is inevitable.
I can't argue against anything you said there.
The advantage of a Harris administration is that the US would continue to be unfriendly to Russia, so pro-Russia leftists could continue to believe that Ukraine was just a vassal ruled by US deep state plants, and not have to face the world-shattering reality of a US-Russia alliance against Ukraine.
If Putin came in as a liberator, sure. Instead it became a convenient excuse for the subjugation of Ukrainian people, demoralizing them and terrorizing them with war crimes, so he can annex their land and strip them of natural resources.
The US was heavily involved in overthrowing that government.
Slight reference here to a prominent Russian theory that Ukraine is under US deep state government control. Which is this was true, the US wouldn't looking to switch sides to Russia. And Ukraine wouldn't be so set on continuing to defend itself even if the US switches.
That's why I'm saying, pro-Russia leftists are going to mentally crumble if the US switches over, because their entire world view (the one they like to call their "nuanced geopolitical view") has been ripped apart.
I do understand the argument, and it lays all accountability for Russia's invasion at the feet of the US, NATO, and Ukraine.
It's the equivalent of blaming Iraq for the US invasion, or blaming Hamas for Israel destroying Gaza. Make sense?
Woken up? Are you talking about the woke mind virus, you dirty infected communist?
The "nuanced view of the geopolitics and history around the war in Ukraine" is usually a lot of mental gymnastics for the sole purpose of defending Russia.
lemmy.ml has a huge pro-Russia bias, for example, my recent comment accusing Russia of being a Nazi country was removed for being "bigoted", another recent comment accusing Israel of being a Nazi country using identical phrasing remained untouched.
You can't have it both ways, saying you don't support Russia while putting in lots of effort to support Russia.
US is throwing in with Russia instead. So question is, will Russia be a US vassal, or the US a Russian vassal, or will the US and Russia jointly become the new Imperial Core.
After years of defending Russian war crimes I don't think they'll find it all that easy to "just stop supporting Russia".
Like are they suddenly going to admit that Russia was commiting atrocities the entire time, or pretend the atrocities only started with the influence of their US ally, or just go silent on everything?
What I've been reinforcing to the conservatives in my life, with reasonable success, is that "tax payer savings" right now is like a mail-in-rebate we haven't gotten yet. Say you paid $1000 for a new TV with a $200 MIR. You paid full price, no matter what the MIR sticker is, you haven't saved the $200 until the $200 is back in your wallet. If you never get the MIR, you saved nothing.
If we're still playing full price for taxes, and we are, our taxpayer savings is ZERO no matter what DOGE says.
Obviously missing the big picture but at least I'm getting them riled up against the current administration, and it's been easier than I thought it would be.
There's a certain demographic of self-described "leftists" who end up being pro-Russia because they are anti-US and see Russia as the opposition to the US.
I'm curious to see if they're able to mentally reconcile a possible geopolitical future where full fash USA and Russia become allies. Are they so pro-Russia that they become pro-USA, or are they so anti-USA they finally become anti-Russia?
Or do they just stick their heads in the ground and pretend like nothing is happening because their US vs Russia worldview cannot support real life geopolitics?
Upvotes for shaving Nazis! <3 keep going as long as you like. Nazis are pathetic weirdo trash.
Nazis are pitiful losers who deserve to be shamed.
Join me in dogpiling on how Nazis are pathetic, worthless trash, and I don't care how you call me. The more we talk about humiliating Nazis, the less anyone wants to be a Nazi, the more I consider it a win.
Nazis are the worst embarrassment of humanity. Shame on Nazis.
No, lol. It's pretty easy to tell when someone isn't a Nazi, they are horrified at atrocities like massacres, rape, genocide, and don't play defense if you humiliate, berate, or mock Nazis.
Defending Netanyahu is a really big red flag to me. A black, white, and red flag even.
If I call Netanyahu a Nazi and someone defends him by accusing me of trivializing the Holocaust when I call Netanyahu a Nazi, then I'm gonna assume they're probably a Nazi.
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/037/31/pdf/g2403731.pdf
Here is the report right from the UN.
No, I'm not. I also say that Israel is a Nazi country doing Nazi shit, because it is. You're speaking in bad faith to call it "Holocaust trivialization" because nothing I'm saying trivializes the Holocaust, you're just playing defense for Nazis.
Calling a Nazi a Nazi is not "Holocaust trivialization".