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  • Trying hard to justify their epiphany... and trying to justify their plugin and advertise it.

  • Great reply, thanks.

    nobody wants to be circumcised unless it's all they've known

    Yeah, that's pretty solid. With what I've learnt in the last 24 or so hours (so I'm a clear expert) it seems like it could still be true that young children will not remember and that they heal differently so that there isn't a diminishing feeling or the diminished feeling only happens with botched operations / poor healing or an unlucky few. None of those arguments seem solid though. I'm curious to see info on those points if anyone has it

  • And the other government with large contributors is China and intellectual property rights have never been strong there. Walk around a tech startup in China and you'll see plenty of posters they've made with their products and with the faces of Elon Musk or Steve Jobs there as if they're endorsing or part of the product

  • And the other government with large contributors is China and intellectual property rights have never been strong there. Walk around a startup and you'll see plenty of posters they're made with their products and with the faces of Elon Musk or Steve Jobs there as if they're endorsing or part of the product

  • Aligning on a purpose is important. I'd argue that being aware of how on board people are for that purpose is important too. I recently tried to say that the family chat should have less influencer posts since we don't all agree on the positions and it causes friction. Boy was that a shit show

  • got personal stories about my loved one's descent into MAGA

    You and me both. It's a bit terrifying how much of this has momentum outside the US. The supporters of South Korean president that ordered military rule wearing MAGA hats, or how often the talking points pop up outside the US, especially during US election cycles, from the "free thinkers".

    who does actually do a great job of prescribing the best advice for trying to engage in debate theatrics: Stop and move on.

    Thinking of my personal experience, I get that, especially on the mental health front. Thinking of societal / political implications though, doesn't that just give time to scatter information that's hard to dislodge? A lot of what I've heard is the importance of prebunking, like what's written in The Debunking Handbook (2020).

    Let me know if you'd like to hear the synopsis in my own uneducated words, I in no way expect anyone to watch all that bullshit

    I'll save this post and get back to it. I also have a long boring flight coming up soon.

  • When I read this, it seemed like an attempt at a pithy comment that included a logical fallacy but I couldn't put my finger on it. I think I have it now.

    If you take the position that's basically the opposite of the posters and simplify you could end up with an imaginary world with features like: circumcisions cause no lasting pain and have no effect on sexual sensation. In that world, trying to make sure there are less circumcisions is still pretty reasonable, you're cutting up a baby for no reason. But what behaviour would you expect to see from people in this thread? I'd expect to only see circumcised people saying that many of the comments in this thread didn't reflect their experience and for people opposed to circumcision to take those comments as defending the practice. Only circumcised people saying that a lot of these comments don't reflect their experience would also be a quality in worlds where:

    • circumcised people are trying to legitimise an experience they went through since otherwise they may have lost something for nothing, or
    • there are strong religious groups trying to push for the practice of circumcision.

    The fact that only circumcised people are saying a lot of these comments don't reflect their experience doesn't give us information about which of these worlds we live in (or more realistically, how much of each is part of our world since the last two obviously have some effect)

    People's personal comments about their experiences before and after the operation do help differentiate, but that wasn't part of the pithy comment.

  • Wow... an off by one error while talking about software dev

  • what about just always showing the "open envelope" icon, both when the button is on and when it is off?

    When the inbox counter doesn't go down, it's nice to quickly know which posts aren't correctly marked. I don't think displaying that way makes it more clear but I am about to rush to do something so I might not be thinking it through. I'll think as I use the app and get back to you.

    I think another issue is that the client gets out of sync with the server on the Inbox page. I think it only notifies that a refresh is needed when new items are added to the list.

    And when the refresh banner shows up, if you pull down to reload instead of pressing the button in the banner then a load indicator shows and eventually clears but the banner doesn't. I'm not sure if that's because the load isn't happening, if it's the load is being thrown away, of if the banner state isn't being updated.

    If you put your finger on the bar and swipe to the left, it'll show more options :)

    🤦‍♂️ I even noticed the link button was greyed out but for some reason I thought it was a bug and displaying as disabled even though it was clickable. Swapping from scroll to a hamburger menu is one way to handle future user stupidity but I'm not sure if it's better, or there are better alternatives.

  • Do you have links to more effective strategies?

  • So, on Mlem on an iPhone the inbox counter on the menu bar wasn't going down when I opened things (and was -1 earlier today) so I updated the interaction bar to add the Mark Read action:

    The indicator bar, everywhere, has indicators in the middle with buttons on the outside. The buttons look the same but slightly larger. If they are toggled on, then you can see them clearly as buttons. Making them look like buttons when they're toggled off would help me parse the icon Mark Read is currently displaying, since it's the action that will be applied not the current status of read/unread (how my brain is parsing it).

    For uploading an image, the bar I see above my keyboard is this:

    And I don't see a place to change what's in that bar.

    As a side note, after opening the app and using it, I did a scan through settings and on the comments the interaction bar wasn't quite what I'd want so I updated it and hit save. It offered for me to push the change to all interaction bars and I thought that of course I wanted the change pushed to all comment interaction bars. Anyway, I imagine the rest of my interaction bars are pretty custom now.

  • It just seems odd for the practice to have started in independently, in multiple places around the world, and to still be done for different reasons if that were a fact and not just a bias in framing (since a lot of people here seem to be strongly/angrily pushing a message). And that isn't me saying that the practice should exist, or that the effect doesn't exist, just that the practice gained momentum independently multiple times and both cutting up your child and lowering sexual pleasure are usually something that would slow down or stop that momentum. I guess there are plenty of counter examples, it's not hard to find cultural habits that run from weird to terrifying in other cultures so plenty have to exist in yours

  • Oh, two things I've noticed:

    • Voyager let you upload images for a comment. I'm not sure where they stored the images, but it would be nice to have the feature.
    • It's easy enough to reuse the link button to link to a remote picture, but it would be nice to have the button added to the row above the keyboard.
    • The inbox icons for read, unread look like indicators and then they are backwards. They're actually buttons indicating what will happen if you press them, but that doesn't map immediately into my head. There might be a way to clean that up but I don't have a good idea right now. Maybe you could add a light thin border with a radius around all the buttons in the row to indicate they're buttons unlike the indicators and that might help.
  • True, and if you kind of remove the Muslim map from the circumcision map I think you're roughly left with the US, Canada and Australia. I originally thought British colonies, but a lot of the commonwealth doesn't circumcise much. It's not even British colonies that are still christian, since the UK doesn't seem to circumcise much.

    Anyway, I wonder why it's these non-Muslim countries. I don't think the Kellogg-masturbation narrative would have had that strong a hold in Australia, but I've been wrong a lot before

  • No, I clearly don't know what it feels like for an uncircumcised person and nothing I have said has come close to that. I'm not pushing back on the idea that it might feel better for an uncircumcised person. I'm pushing back on an outspoken individual hoping to hear from more individuals on this thread

    I honestly would be curious to see studies that people thought were trustworthy that showed it one way or another. Accounting for it in an adult is easy (ask before, ask after, large enough sample) but its not inconceivable that it's different when done on children (they heal better in general and the practice is relatively widespread) and I think a study that managed to do demonstrate difference there would be difficult. That said, most of what I saw at a glance seemed to indicate little change and the voices on this thread seem to be shouting it's a large change in feeling. It would be nice to be able to account for that difference. And I struggle a little with the idea that there is a large change in most individuals since that would imply it could be feeling a lot better and it already feels amazing enough that it already gets me into plenty of trouble.

  • Sorry, it both wasn't clear what you meant, and I thought read in a way other people might completely discount that study. I appreciate my reply pointing out I had asked someone else their experience was probably a bit condescending, but the comment here was just there for clarification since it didn't read to me as being clear

  • That's a hell of a jump. I'm very ignorant on that topic and it's a minefield. Which is what I suspect you're aiming for here, baiting.

    Back to where we started though... how would they know there is a difference if that's their baseline experience? And it sounds like you learnt some individuals experiences, it can be risky expanding on those and assuming other people's experiences are the same. But ironically... asking an individual what their experience was is exactly what I was trying to do when you jumped in

  • I'm going back to bed and I wouldn't be super if it's biased, it's just what I found when I wondered how you would actually measure this. A minor point though: they didn't go to Uganda, they reviewed a number of studies and in one of them some other people went to Uganda. (Or I'm failing to read.) Agreed that sounds like a messed up way to do a randomised study. The papers subtitle is "results from a randomized controlled trial of male circumcision for human immunodeficiency virus prevention" and that sounds more reasonable but I'm not going to dig any deeper tonight

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