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  • I'm not saying we should make it identical but honestly we could just make humans more compassionate and more apprehensive to causing harm if we wanted. It's like the Gattaca example, I'm not saying we should straight up duplicate the story one to one. With AI we essentially have parlor walls like fahrenheit 451 but does that mean reality is now exactly like the plot of fahrenheit 451? You can take an idea from somewhere without being forced to duplicate everything about the source.

  • Nothing? I'm not sure that's true. If the universe is infinite and homogeneous then that would infer all finite permutations of energy occur, not once but infinitely many times. As for actually proving the universe is infinite? It's not possible. We can only infer with measurements and physics which make accurate predictions we can measure. I mean not unless there's like some cool way to traverse truly unheard of distances. Like if you could move 10^100 light years in a direction and it's still the same even that wouldn't prove it's infinite but would really lend itself to the idea that it is.

  • I was more so getting at a scenario like The Giver where humanity modifies itself to be more peaceful with itself more than what you're getting at. Of course maybe not to such an extreme like the giver. Anyways I think we could have a better conversation without the name calling but to each their own I guess.

  • Current astrophysical data shows that the large-scale spatial geometry of our universe is flat, meaning parallel lines remain parallel and triangles add up to 180°. However, flatness does not strictly prove the universe is infinite; a flat, simply connected universe is mathematically infinite, but a flat, multiply connected universe (like a cylinder or a hyper-torus) could be finite.Observations of the Cosmic Microwave Background have measured this geometry with incredible precision, though slight margins for error still allow for the possibility that the universe curves on scales far larger than what we can observe.Whether the universe is finite or infinite remains an unresolved question in physics, though scientists generally use an infinite, flat model for standard cosmological calculations because it is mathematically simpler.

  • How much cancer will it give me? Still cool though

  • Reality isn't continuous, at least as far as we are aware. Past the plank scale at least our models don't work. Infinite information to encode everything seems like it would all just collapse into a black hole immediately so having some limit somewhere makes sense at least in that way.

  • It's not always a crime necessarily but harming people to get what one wants is usually a crime. As for constraining human behavior there's really only two tools, benefit the behaviors you want and punish the ones you don't want. People will obviously be self interested and will sometimes cause a lot of harm to get what they want but they wouldn't if they knew for a fact they would be caught and punished. It's more so the likelihood of being caught than the punishment that's actually the deterrent. You can have an extreme punishment for something but if it's unlikely someone will be caught then they will take their chances. Downside is with a higher rate of catching bad behaviors we diminish privacy. An extreme would everyone being watched and recorded 24/7 would make it trivial to catch any bad behavior or crime but there would be zero privacy.

    As for Gattaca,. I think it's more so that they used it to differentiate society into two groups where one was treated very poorly more so than the gene editing itself being the issue. For sure we will cure genetic diseases and then move into grey area stuff like giving people perfect eyesight and so on. I think it'll be far too tempering to make designer babies though, higher IQ, better looking (subjective), better physique, better health and so on. Of course anyone who's ever bred animals knows you can breed them to constrain their behavior so one could theoretically alter humanity to be more compassionate and less of a jerk to itself.

  • Yup essentially. Although as far as physics is accurate and our measurements are accurate currently it seems to be the case that spacetime is actually flat and homogeneous aka it goes on and on in all directions and is equally full of shit. No way to prove that though, just infer from what we can measure using laws that accurately predict other shit we can measure.

  • Nope just one really big (infinitely large) universe. Eventually it starts looping. Like a small example, if I have 5 cups and 10 balls and I put all the balls into a cup eventually I get more than one ball in a cup because there's more balls than cups. For any finite volume there's a finite number of ways to arrange energy so with an infinite universe with infinite stuff it just starts looping eventually just like the balls in the cups situation.

    In short you're overthinking it. With Infinite space dust, you start making the same shit totally by accident eventually.

  • I'm a flat spacer, I think spacetime is flat, continuous, and homogeneous therefore ensuring any finite arrangement of energy is occurring infinite times in any direction you can point. Is there an atom for atom replica of the earth, it's entire history, and me? Yup, infinitely many in any direction one can point, along with all other finite arrangements of energy.

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  • It's a sad day to see review brah down in the dumps

  • A lot of world leaders are criminals.

  • Wait until you hear about countries that prevent even their non-criminals from actually voting. They usually hold an election but it's just theatrical, your text in vote for the next pop idol is more statistically valuable.

  • For sure money has departed from actual real world value essentially from the moment it was created and people ought to be compensated for the value they actually create and of course taxed for the value they take from society. It's kinda the same issue with climate change, if things actually cost what they truly cost the problem would fix itself over night. The issue is we externalize the cost to the environment, to the poor, and to our future so we don't have to pay it today.

    With actually correct value being represented by money and goods and services actually having their true cost that would mostly solve everything.

  • I mean we've already started modern eugenics with gene therapies to cure genetic diseases and soon there will be services offering designer babies not unlike the movie Gattaca. Why would you not want to have your child's IQ increased 20 points along with removing their asthma and near sightedness?

    There's no political system devoid of corruption and people willing to harm others to get what they want. We can prevent a lot of crime but we're not preventing human behavior anytime soon. I mean we can but we won't.

  • I'm pretty sure we're both double tonguing these comments right now so to speak. If by chance you are being serious then I hope you were both appropriately compensated for the efforts and ultimately that the work was worthwhile. The innuendos seem endless.

  • You are choosing to volunteer, that's cool inside any system. Imagine putting in 100 hour work weeks, developing a product like the blue LED or lithium ion battery thus creating billions upon billions of dollars of revenue and you don't even get a pizza party or a Friday off. You get the same base pay and your family gets no benefit no matter how hard you work so may as well not create any value and just do the minimum beyond what you're impassioned to do for free like volunteering.

    Also sidebar I am so awfully tempted to make a joke about double tonguing the sax. Like a sax on the beach type joke.

  • The problem with most ideologies is people getting too fanatical and even if it's hidden it'll come out eventually. You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. Another issue with fanaticism is it has diminishing outcomes. Look at how maga is now harming the right wing voting base. Sure it works for a little while but it's too hot, eventually it burns the hand holding it. At the end of the day every last person on earth wants the same thing, wellbeing for themselves and their loved ones. Whoever gives them that will win their vote. Fanaticism has a way of ultimately diminishing wellbeing.