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lemmyusa 9/14 shenanigans: mass vote manipulation, or reasonable response to serial downvoters? i report, confusion ensues, you decide. maybe.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35891683

I have changed the original title of this post, as it is imo, thanks largely to discussion in this thread, with a lemmyusa mod, unnecessarily incendiary.

Original Title:

"lemmyusa.com is engaging in vote manipulation, suggest defederating unless it is addressed"

Mod Abuse:

https://lemmy.world/modlog/1432313?page=1&actionType=All

The instance has 3 active subs, it's unlikely the admins are not also the mods engaging in this.
Banning anyone who downvotes is a clear attempt to foster a chilling effect on dissenting opinions. The mods and admins of this instance are putting their thumb on the scales in order to make their ideas appear more positively received than they actually are.
Thanks for your attention to this.

I realize that doing a cross post here is... unorthodox, and this doesn't drectly involve my own interactions, and I am technically breaking a number of the rules of this comm...

... but I think this is worth the discussion and consideration of, and potential further investigation from this comm, which essentially functions as a de facto place for discussing things like this.

Further context / info I have been able to gather:

Here is a direct link to their own modlog.

https://lemmyusa.com/modlog

Their dedicated legal page:

https://lemmyusa.com/legal

Their described 'sidebar rules' appear to only be:

We're keeping it simple:
Be thoughtful, act responsibly, and treat others with respect.
No NSFW content.

Everything else seems to be in the Legal / TOS / Privacy Policy section.

My preliminary, most charitable interpretation of mod/admin activity here... is that they can and will essentially ban anyone who posts on their instance and is not a lemmyusa user, as any other user would not have agreed to their TOS.

???

Further, this instance appears to be hosting an account that is impersonating SatansMaggotyCumFart, a fairly well known, mostly parody/dedicated 'bit' account here on lemmy...

The profile description of their version of SMCF claims to be 'the only real profile!', and is using a clearly AI generated avatar/profile pic... and uh, to me at least, it seems very unlikely this is the actual SMCF.

UPDATE:

Ok.

After some conversation in this thread, I should add:

There is, and there was at the time this all started, a rule in the comm that much of these downvote bans took place in, which reads:

'No Serial Downvoting.'

Personally, I find this rather vague.

How many dowmvotes, in what timeframe, across how many comms/comments/posts, etc?

I am also still uncertain to what extent these actually are dedicated, persistent, serial downvoters, vs just a whole lot of randos seeing something on their feed and then downvoting it and moving on.

I get the intent behind trying to stem a mass wave of negativity, nobody likes a wave of mass downvotes and hostile comments...

But on the other hand, there should probably be a bit more clarity and specificity here, less heavy handed actions for less comitted and persistent behavior.

IMO, a balance has to be struck between allowing people to genuienly freely express their opinion via downvoting, but at the same time, there are clearly also cases where people or groups of people basically just downvote all comments or posts from a specific user or in a certain comm or pertaining to a certain topic, etc.

I myself am fairly confident I have managed to attract at least one person who downvotes all my posts/comments on their instance, simply because I am on their shitlist, apparently.

So ideally... we could maybe have a constructive conversation about that.

As to the SatansMaggotyCumFart profile on lemmyusa being an impersonatory account:

We've got one mod from lemmyusa here saying he really isn't sure, and personally blocked him, I think from his own user standpoint, not from the standpoint of himself as a mod.

IMO, the account still strikes me as likely another person, impersonating the actual user... I of course cannot be certain, but the profile still strikes me as very sus.

Finally, I am least personally going to strongly discourage any one reading this from popping in to lemmyusa and going out of your way to downvote every single thing on there simply because it is on that instance.

They are already in more or less lockdown mode, call that a win if you must.

I did not intend nor do I want this very post to act as an attack vector.

UPDATE 2

SatansMaggotyCumFart, the real one, has appeared in this thread and confirmed that the lemmyusa profile is indeed an impersonation, is not them.

183 comments

Okay, so this is clearly a MAGA instance. But why did they tag it as conservative2? There's not even a "conservative" on lemmyusa.com
- There are a number of ( lemmy ) instances that have a 'conservative' comm.
  At one point, one of those was run by a genuine conservative mod... but they then abandoned it.
  Then another person... it may possibly have been SMCF, but I am not sure about that... took it over and then ran it as a parody of itself, for a bit.
  Then a 'conservative2' popped up as another 'genuine' comm.
  All the above is my best vague recollection and should not be considered highly accurate.
  Nonetheless... if something actually did play out along those lines... this fits the reddit style MO of meta-drama based naming conventions.
  It would also fit with the general online right wing agitator MO of intentionally sewing confusion as to who is who and what is what.
  
  Then a ‘conservative2’ popped up as another ‘genuine’ comm.
  yes. and the mod from that moved on, there was already a conservative community on .today, so we moved to lemmyusa because we liked the logo
- It's from !conservative2@lemmy.today (which seems to have been deleted or removed?). I don't get why the move to a new comm when they already control !conservative@lemmy.today.
  
  correct. and mod fo conservative didn't really want the drama of a big influx, so we moved to lemmyusa beacuase of the name and the cute logo of the instance.
- ~~I'm guessing it's supposed to serve as an alternative to an identically named subreddit.~~
  Just checked, conservative2 was banned from reddit 3 years ago, so probably not.
- because there are already a lot of conservative communties on Lemmy and we are from teh conservative2 group on .today. The orginal mod disappeared. and there is already another conservative comm on today, so we moved to lemmyusa and it has a fun instance logo (I'm a mod in conservative2)

In my mind it's pretty simple.
Federating or not with a MAGA instance needs to be on the basis of issues a hell of a lot more impactful than any kind of Lemmy voting misdemeanor or anything.
I actually think that keeping open lines of communications with people under certain authoritarian structures does more to tear them down than any amount of "isolating" them can. It's why I don't have a problem with engaging on lemmy.ml for example. If people can never hear the counterpoint, then it's that much easier for them to continue the mental picture of whatever horribly skewed strawman counterpoint their overlords are telling them is the counterpoint. I don't think defederating from lemmyusa to "punish" them for being MAGA is the way to do it.
I do think if they're going off instance and being obnoxious, then just booting them is probably the answer. No one's required to degrade their own Lemmy experience for the sake of these folks.
They're always going to be able to manipulate things on their own instance to try to interfere with strategy number 2 above. Lemmy.ml does this, presumably lemmyusa would do the same, just banning anyone from off instance that for whatever reason tries to engage with sensible stuff. But they can't ever do a perfect job at it, and I don't think other instances should be assisting them be pre-emptively shutting off that line of communication.
That is my 2c
- For what its worth, I cross posted this, I did not write the original title, and I also agree that simply being a conservative instance is a terrible reason for defederation, muchless automatically.
  What I do have a problem with is Power Tripping Bastards who enforce rules that are not stated, who have double standards, who are hypocrites.
  Myself formerly being a conservative from a conservative household... I held not being a hypocrite as a higher virtue than anything else from my default worldview, and I altered my worldview instead of abadoning my integrity.
  There are doubtlessly other such people, who could potentially be persuaded, as I was, by sound arguments, appeals to empathy, 'think of it from the point of view of the other'.
  However at the same time... no one is or should be obligated to deal with having to argue with or try to teach hostile and aggressive people all the time.
  I would personally prefer a standard of who is federated/defederated to whom be based more on the capacity of the mods and admins to have reasonable rules and also enforce those rules reasonably.
  Not merely on face value political alignment alone.
  
  no one is or should be obligated to deal with having to argue with or try to teach hostile and aggressive people all the time.
  Then wouldnt it be easy to just ignore the community and move on? we are not asking you to teach us and please show a single post in the community that is aggressive. in fact we actually locked comments and comm just so no extreme comments and arguemnts get made.
- I like this post. thnk you, you make a lot of sense and I agree (i am mod of the conservative2 community)

If the users are actually serial downvoters, that's a perfectly fine reason to ban. Votes are supposed to sort the good content (for that community) from the bad, and if someone comes in and downvotes everything, that doesn't do that. They're not participating in good faith for the community's intentions. Voting isn't a Lemmywide opinion score that must be allowed to run unrestricted. It's ok for mods to say "this community is only for people who actually like its subject".
That's not to say there may not be plenty of good reasons to block the communities or defederate. They're likely going to stray into hate speech and/or host their own trolls. It's simply that banning people who are only there to disrupt it isn't itself some sort of high crime.
- Donald J Musk does not want conversion in his posts, he does not want debate, he does not want to argue. He only wants adulation and praise. He goes as far as locking posts so no one can comment. The only thing you are left is block, or down vote his misinformation.
  
  That's UM, afaict
  
  He only wants adulation and praise.
  only if he gets it from chad mctruth. no other adulations and praises count. I just sent him link to ur post lol
- Voting isn't a Lemmywide opinion score
  That is precisely what it is. I would say that browsing only a particular community's content and none other is not the most common way that people look at Lemmy.
  It's ok for mods to say "this community is only for people who actually like its subject".
  Dude what kind of content are people posting that is prompting any detectable number of people to run around downvoting all of it?
  Personally my opinion is that if you're using multiple accounts to artificially inflate your number of up or downvotes, you're doing something wrong, but if you just don't like a bunch of content, it doesn't really matter whether "you are part of the community" or like its subject in terms of whether or not you should be allowed to enter downvotes. That's why they're there, for stuff that people don't like. You can always visit an instance which just doesn't allow downvotes, if you feel your stuff needs to be insulated from anyone being able to say that they don't like it.
  
  There are accounts who genuinely do go around downvoting en masse without any contributions. When I was growing my community, I caught about 5 accounts - some with no post history, and no contribution history on my community doing it. They also had a long mod log history of bans for doing it elsewhere.
  So I banned them because they kept burying new posts. That is my right.
  
  Dude what kind of content are people posting that is prompting any detectable number of people to run around downvoting all of it?
  ~~You must be pretty new here.~~ (Nevermind, didn't check who I was responding to)
  There's around two posts a month in this very community where someone is complaining that they're expected to block a community with content they don't like instead of just downvoting everything they see from it.
  AI communities are common ones, so are political comms, but there have been some postd where someone just doesn't like the memes of a certain meme community too. You're making a false assumption that people only downvote stuff for any sort of legitimate reason.
  
  It very much is not, because few people see any given community when browsing All. Someone might see one post and downvote it, but they wouldn't be downvoting everything. If they just hate all the content, they shouldn't care about being banned unless they just wanted to keep attacking it.
  And you're new to the Internet if you think haters won't go to a community they dislike and downvote every single post. It doesn't even need to be something serious like politics. Console wars, sports teams, or just a TV show that rubs some group the wrong way.
  Conservative subs on Reddit used to never be able to use the voting system to sort their own comments because of it. On Lemmy the votes are visible so you don't need to guess who's doing it. If you're not participating in a community in good faith they have every right to ban you.
  
  Let's say someone starts a Malaysian community and they only post in Malay, this annoys people who don't speak Malay (most people), and some people just downvote every Malay post they see rather then block the community.
  Is it helpful for the Malay community to get all these downvotes from non-Malay speaking lemmy users who are too lazy to hit the block button?
  Or if you prefer a non-language scenario, let's say a community to discuss youtube videos of a specific creator is here, but most people don't care for the creator... same thing
  lemmy is a commonwealth of small communities, we won't grow unless we allow niche communities a safe space to gain traction, that means drive-by-chilling is bad for lemmy over all.
  That’s why they’re there, for stuff that people don’t like.
  It's really in place to be a signal of what is bad for the community like a micro-report, not just personal opinion. It is often used as a personal opinion, but sorting by ratio, auto hiding, auto-mod removing based on votes indicates its real utility as good or bad for the community. The problem is that lemmy is not some monolithic community with the same values and interests for everyone, but if we treat it as such we will end up with just one which isn't great for lemmy at all.
- If the users are actually serial downvoters, that’s a perfectly fine reason to ban.
  They are. And today there is a downvote brigade coming from lemmy.world as a result of this and other posts. also if people hate the community so much then htey shouldn't be mad for being banned from it?
  And no, we don't post conservative content to other communities, we jsut stick to our own
- As far as I can tell, they do not have any language in their legal page that specifically describes serial downvoting as a bannable offense.
  Nor do they really even seem to have anything that attempts to outline a general or specific concept of intentional manipulation, or what would constitute a violation of that 'good faith' you describe.
  Like, I get you, that if they actually are serial downvoters, that is generally bad.
  However:
  Have an actual ruleset that describes that.
  So that people can maybe see that is a thing they should not do.
  The alternative is that this all falls under an extremely vague and nebulous concept of their first sidebar rule, which is highly non specific, extremely prone to totally arbitrary enforcement.
  ...
  EDIT:
  The 'tankie' instances are notorious for banning and deleting comments with more or less this same, often viewed as BS methodology:
  Everyone who says something they don't like, just gets removed via Rule 1, which is similary vague and arbitrary, subject to ad hoc interpretation.
  Just go look through this comm's history to see that.
  So... there is precedent for my line of thinking here.

It would be nice if there was an option to block vote Federation but accept content.
On the other hand, if an instance is largely acting in bad faith, maybe it’s best not to engage at all.
- I've suggested something like that as a more advanced admin feature but they told me to implement it as a plugin, so I'm waiting until that's possible
  
  Hey, there you are.
  Sorry to uh... yeah, not really follow all the comm rules here...
  Uh... yeah.
  You tell me if you want me to just modify the post itself in some way to try to be... more compliant.
  Beyond that...
  Hopefully this is me being overly paranoid, but here goes:
  The user who made the post that I have here crossposted is named Coupable.
  As in a coup.
  As in an undermining and subversion of a complex system.
  Their account is only 3 months old.
  It has made only 2 posts, one of them this one, and a single comment.
  https://lemmy.world/u/Coupable
  While the information presented, or highlighted appears to be genuine...
  I find the account itself to be fairly suspect.
  This could potentially be a throw away, from one of these lemmyUSA people, where the point of doing this would be to create a catalog of other users (me, you, SMCF, everyone here) who seem to respond to their post, such that we could be further studied by them, to later be assesed for future potential harassment and gaslighting.
  This sounds paranoiac, but this also is the known strategy employed by essentially professional, extremist, and often state funded internet trolls, to destroy the social cohesion of online spaces by more or less identifying and targetting the ... most 'influential', or 'important' or 'dedicated' users, for lack of better words.
  I very much hope that I am bring unduly paranoid.
  EDIT:
  welp.

I don't like conservative safe spaces but I also think serial downvoting should be ban worthy. It's essentially brigading. Hard situation, because there is a lot of room for mod abuse and it's already so easy to manipulate votes.
- yes thank you. I am mod for this com and it's serial downvoting that is being banned. I posted links and pics in this thread showing that too. if people don't like our conservative community then they can just ignore us or ban the community. instad they jsut downvote. who are they mad of being banned from a community they hate so much?
  i don't post any conservatieve content to anywhere but my conservative sub. so I don't know why lemy is so mad about it. I didn't advertise my community or anything. I as just minding my own business and positing in my own little part of lemmy
  i work at BK adn now I am seeing peole post that I am some government operative. like what?! thats crazy. Im jus tposting conservative stuff cuz im republican. everyone should calm down. Im not pushing it down anyones throats

Vote manipulation is when you organize voting, whether that's you with multiple accounts, a malicious instance just sending votes without real people, or stuff like that. Banning people isn't vote manipulation.
- Suppressing votes is manipulating them.
  
  Suppressing people who come to a community to just downvote stuff seems fine. If someone doesn't like everything the community likes they are not a good fit for the community
- The idea here is that wanton banning of people who downvote things is the issue.
  ...
  They could be doing this in a documented, organized, vote bridage fashion.
  They could be doing it in an entirely self directed manner.
  And between those two things is a spectrum.
  There could also be downvote bots.
  Or, maybe they're just being falsely accused of something like that, without good evidence.
  ...
  But the problem that I see is that... there is no actual rule or rule set to cover any of this, on lemmyusa, nothing exists describing the acceptable bounds of how often and when you csn downvote.
  And what that means is that all these people are being banned arbitrarily, which means that there no real rules, the real rule is 'the admin/mods ban/delete whatever they don't like', which would make them Power Tripping Bastards.
  ...
  Actual legit admins and mods will always have a degree of their own discretion and interpretation of rules.
  Evaluating those edge cases is an important function of this comm, as is also allowing people such as yourself to inadvertently self-report when they break fairly clearly defined rules and norms, and erroneously identify this as impartial, unfair moderation.
  But when mods/admins offer very dubious reasoning for their actions when they are clearly following unstated rules or have obvious double standards... this is bad, and we try to discuss that here.
  
  But the problem that I see is that… there is no actual rule or rule set
  we do say in sidebar rules of our communty no serail downvoting and no downvote brigading.

I'm a mod of the community. the reason for the bans isn't vote manipulation, it's serial downvoting which is against the commnity rules. right now there is an extreme downvoting brigading going on from lemmy.world because of this post and the cross post. feel free to go look and look who most of downvotes are from. lemmys don't like conservatives, and thats fine, but we are allowed to be on here too.
we locked the comments and the community to mods only because of teh extremist stuff happening after the charlie kirk murders. there were lemmys cheering and posting memes and laugnign about murder. if you don't like conservatives thats fine but then why are people mad if you are banned from a community that you only went to to downovte?
this seems to be a of drama over a community you don't even like. So why not just ignore and move on? i don't understand. here is screen cap of over 20 downvotes from someones post today (College conservatives reveal what Charlie Kirk meant to them and how they will keep his message alive)(https://lemmy.myserv.one/post/21138775)
I didn't block on names cuz voting record is public, all are from lemmy.world, but I can blcok them out of mod of this sub asks me to:
- because you're locking all topics in fear of discussion, voting is the only way to interact with your community.
  
  its not fear of discussion. its comments are always hateful and extreme espcially after the kirk killing. Lemmy doens't want to 'discuss' anyting. they wanna just type 'nazi' and 'fascist' over and over.
  if a locked post gets 30 downvotes within 5 minutes, u think those people would have 'discussed' anyting. not only that, i see the reports when they report. the reports usually sya 'die fascist die' lol which is what the comment woudl say too.
- wait wait wait…. let me get this straight…
  you don’t allow discussions on your content… you regularly post inflammatory and regressive news articles from alt right rags…. Want to appear on the front page so you admit to vote manipulation to force your content where it is not wanted… because you complain that you should not be down voted, nor defederated because your message should be forced out there…
  am i getting this right?
  so you are an advertisement agency for right wing lemmy and your content are ads then?
  
  Want to appear on the front page so you admit to vote manipulation to force your content where it is not wanted
  I have no control over wht goes on front page of lemmy. thats not my issue how am i forcing content by posting my content to my own community and nowhere else?
  you don’t allow discussions on your content…
  lemmy doesn't want discussion, they just want to post nazi and fascist accusations on every artile. trust me, there is no 'discussion' lol
  you regularly post inflammatory and regressive news articles from alt right rags….
  i don't think they are inflammatory or regressive. ur opinion. but my community so i can post what i wnat. u can post what u want in ur community have at it
  because you complain that you should not be down voted, nor defederated because your message should be forced out there
  i didn't start this thread. i just replied in it i'm not OP and had nothing to do with his post that started this thread.
  so you are an advertisement agency for right wing lemmy and your content are ads then?
  what? i work at burger king
- Hey uh, while we're at it...
  Can you tell me why there seems to be an account on lemmyusa that... seems to be impersonating SatansMaggotyCumFart?
  Is that really him?
  Or is that an impersonation?
  ... Do you have any idea?
  As neither of us think things like sending people suicide/death threats is acceptable...
  I would hope that we would both also agree that it's pretty not cool to have somebody running around impersonating someone else, putting someone else's words into say, your own mouth.
  
  Can you tell me why there seems to be an account on lemmyusa that… seems to be impersonating SatansMaggotyCumFart?
  no clue. thats not my account and I didn't even know there was an account liek that til you mentioned it. but he's a wellknown troll so not surprising he has people parodying him. he is pretty quick to be obnoxious to people and laugh about it. i agree that personation is annoying tho and wish it didn't happen but the mindset of many on lemmy is that eveyrhting is a war and the can do whatever they want since they think they are on the correct side of whatever argument they are making.
  i don't agree with it at all. I don't like his style, so I just blocked him. I don't think he shoudl be kicked off of lemmy and i don't think people should impersonate him. but i blocked him and moved on
- lemmy.world is the lowest common denominator, fresh-off-reddit instance. people posting "this is the way" and bringing a glossary of logical fallacies to an adult conversation and thinking they're clever.
  I don't participate in a single community hosted on that instance, and I feel it's improved my experience. some instances block .world because it's such a fountain of drivel. ymmv.
- Ok.
  So, this is the crosspost.
  I duplicated or reposted someone else's post.
  But I duplicated it because of what it showed... ie, this was all ongoing before either the original post or this post.
  Also: I genuinely missed that you have rule 7, which does say no serial downvoting, in the comm.
  That's my bad, I will try to update the main post here, with more accurate information, when I can make sense out of what is going on.
  ...
  However:
  You could just temp ban them.
  A time out, instead of being exiled.
  ...
  Also, did you actually have this rule 7 before this all commenced?
  Genuine question, I missed those sidebar rules in the conservative2 comm.
  ...
  Also... can you actually show that these people were actually serially downvoting?
  A serial downvoter would be something like an account, whose only interactions with your comm or your instance, is to downvote more or less every post.
  If there are a flood of random people downvoting just one particular post or topic of posts... that would be a bunch of people just expressing their dislike.
  (If they are actually saying things in comments that violate your rules, thats another thing.)
  Serial means repeated, like a serial killer keeps killing people?
  It does not mean a lot of different people share a dislike of something.
  A downvote brigade implies an organized, formally orchestrated network of people (or I guess bots, which so far have been pretty rare on lemmy, in my experience).
  .World is functionally the default instance that most reddit refugees or just normies land on.
  It is possible that there is some kind of an actual brigade going on.
  It is also possible a lot of people don't or didn't like Charlie, and do not need any kind of formal organization or direction to feel that way.
  We wouldn't want to just silence all their voices simply for expressing their dislike of him via a downvote, would we?
  ...
  I have also pointed out in another comment that one thing ya'll could do, could consider, is to simply remove downvotes from your instance, like, remove the ability of anyone and everyone to downvote anything.
  Other instances have done this, it is possible to do, but I am not or admin or developer, I do not how to implement that.
  ...
  All that being said, I am glad you are here, communicating earnestly... that is to me, much more preferable than being a bit of a troll as with Chad, or not being present at all... this way we can have an actual conversation.
  
  Also: I genuinely missed that you have rule 7, which does say no serial downvoting, in the comm.
  Yep always a rule here adn on previous instance. but i did just make bold and at top after reading yoru post that people may overlook it.
  You could just temp ban them.
  they would be just as mad i think. why would they b mad at being exiled form a communtiy they hate anyways? A time out, instead of being exiled.
  Also… can you actually show that these people were actually serially downvoting?
  well I read comments and if i see same downvoter on 3 or 4 posts and they are right away I see where it is going. do you have a number that you think should count as serial donvoting? I'd be happy th change way I do it.
  I have also pointed out in another comment that one thing ya’ll could do, could consider, is to simply remove downvotes from your instance, like, remove the ability of anyone and everyone to downvote anything.
  it's not my instance that woudl be up to admin. but i think (?) that removeing downvoties would only be for people on my actual instance. you could for example still downovte since you are not on my instance, but I just wouldn't be able to see your downvotes. so that wouldn't stop the downvoting at all, it would only stop me from seeing the downvotes. not you

That account definitely isn't me, I've had to register my username in every different instance because of the person impersonating me.
I only use lemmy.world and piefed.world so I'm not popping up on user's feeds who have chosen to block me.
- Well, that confirms that, thank you for popping in!
  
  No problem.
  The person who runs the community in question is a big fan of impersonation accounts.
- I've had to register my username in every different instance because of the person impersonating me.
  Friend, I know that feeling. I used to get nagged on for having my username on different instances, and now people are finding out why I had to do that.

Fascists maintain conformity by disappearing those who don't conform. PTB always.

The main role of a moderator of a small community is to grow that community, be that providing content, or weeding out any negative influences on participation. A safe space for whatever the community is about.
Drive by voting usually is neutral with the +/- cancelling out, but for niche topics the drivebys can have a impactful chilling effect on the actual community growth and participation, so its reasonable for the moderator to remove negative drivebys from the community. (For now, until subscriber only communities becomes a federated standard in lemmy 1.0)
I've written in more detail on this philosophy here
- Briefly skimming that... one idea that comes to mind would be if maybe users have more ability to fine tune but also customize not just one 'feed', but many.
  Like different playlists for spotify kinda.
  Don't just have comms I'm subbed to.
  Let me sub, but also, let me as a user, sub to it, and put it in my minifeed that i name... politics, or news, or tech stuff, or, happy animal pictures, or whatever.
  Afaik, you could do that all clientside, maybe not in lemmy itself, but certainly via a frontend app or some other kind of way of viewing lemmy.
  You can do what I just described with NewPipe, for youtube viewing without ads.
  So this way, instead of 'all' 'local' and 'subs', you have like 'custom subgroup of subs 1, 2, 3, etc'.
  Having that paradigm on its own may significantly alter the perspective of the average user toward 'i am responsible for the kind of stuff i see' and thus take a more active role in curating their own content, as opposed to just expecting someone else to do that for me, and complaining/lashing out when i see things that i dont like.
  
  PieFed has that, it's called personal feeds
  https://anarchist.nexus/ is a PieFed instance associated with your instance, dbzer0
  
  Like different playlists for spotify kinda.
  That is a really great idea! Multiple feeds depending on your mood
  Let me sub, but also, let me as a user, sub to it, and put it in my minifeed that i name… politics, or news, or tech stuff, or, happy animal pictures, or whatever.
  piefed kinda has that with topics
  You can do what I just described with NewPipe, for youtube viewing without ads.
  And freetube!
  Having that paradigm on its own may significantly alter the perspective of the average user toward ‘i am responsible for the kind of stuff i see’ and thus take a more active role in curating their own content, as opposed to just expecting someone else to do that for me, and complaining/lashing out when i see things that i dont like.
  Or have clients suggest an auto-block for communities the user persistently finds disagreeable.

!conservative2@feddit.org too
They have someone impersonating/mocking me promoting conservative comms: @QuantumTickler@lemmy.myserv.one
I certainly wish they'd stop.
- https://lemmy.world/comment/19388325
  Look what instance the mod from conservative2 linked from.

gosh, lots of drama in this post and the other post about me. Sorry if i bored u guys. I'm still gonna keep banning for serial downvting. Sorry it caused so much drama, but i'm going to stick to what I was doing even tho there were some good conversations here. I just wanted to put this out to you all in case I get banned here.
Some people made fun of me for my typing: No excuses but from slight brain injury and missing finger (both issues from car accident when i was little) but i'll take more time to type better. Dont feel sorry for me, just wanted you to know im not as bad off as i type. haha I ain't got nothing to complain about and i'm inspired to type better now. My thinking is ok, just motor movement is skippy is all.

loving the new title. thank you for the discusisons to. more people on lemmy need to be like you and we'd have less drama

please do not tell me how to run my own community because you are not the police thanks
- Are you really so stupid as to have just here outed your alt account?
  EDIT:
  
  Well done.
  
  You say "outed" like he was hiding it.
  
  i think you want to read the "information" part of the sidebar a bit more
  
  Nah, Chad's a few different people and they're the opposite of conservatives.
- please do not tell me how to vote from my own account because you are not the police thanks
  
  banned

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