French President Macron says France will recognize Palestine as a state

when?? after every Palestinian has starved to death? just so they can pretend to have a moral standing?
- At the next UN assembly. It says right there in the article.
  Basically France now recognises the State of Palestine, and will make it official at the UN assembly.
  
  it was rethorical... thousands more will starve by September
- Ah well, guess they better not do it until they can invent a time machine, then.
  
  They didn't do it, he just said they will.
  They are trying to cover their assess from the accountability of being complicit with the genocide the whole time, they are counting on people like you to let them get away with it.
  What does recognize Palestinian state mean? They'll give us what's left of the rubble in Gaza and the few ghettos they allow us to call the Palestinian territory in the West Bank?
  Is there anything proposed that will actually give Palestinians any semblance of justice?
- just so they can pretend to have a moral standing? Yes

Good. Now let’s recognize it everywhere else and stop recognizing israel.
- Not recognizing states that obviously exist is extremely silly.
  
  Yeah. exactly why Palestine should be recognized. israel is, however, a european invention and terrorist colony.
  
  Why? Do you actually believe states have rights?
  States are invented, lines are drawn on maps and people are divided by elites, it's silly to insist that a genocidal ethno state should simple continue to exist because it already exists.
  We don't want a two state solution, we want one state where everyone is treated equally regardless of religion.
  
  States only exist in our minds.
  
  Not recognizing would mean to not have any treaties with them, no general Visa rules, to limit trade, obviously no weapons shipments, denying port for any ships delivering arms to a non state actor...
- Not good at all. No mention of Palestine living in security like Israel. He ask for Palestinians to be completely demilitarized before having real assurance that Israel will end occupation completely , there is no mention of how the two state solution would be accomplished and what will happen if Israel refuses
  
  IMO Israel forfeited their right to a 2-state solution. They should not be recognized as a sovereign state because they're foreign occupiers.
  
  israel. should. not. exist.
- This. Normally, it's the Messiah who is supposed to announce the creation of Israel, and I still haven't seen that. And there's nothing in the texts to indicate that Israel should be in Palestine; it could just as easily be on the surface of the sun.

HOLY SHIT FINALLY

But does that mean they'll recognize the genocide?
It's like saying they'll recognize the house but won't acknowledge that it's on fire.
- It's a step at least. If Palestine is recognized as a state, then it's no longer an "internal affair" that Israel is engaged with, but instead against another sovereign state that has the right to defend itself and freely negotiate with other nations for aid and support.
  
  It's just gaslighting and fooling people.
  Palestinians already has the right to defense based on UN general assembly 37/43, un general assembly resolution 2625 and Article 1(4) of the Geneva Protocol I. Even
  If you read the official document written to Traitor and Israeli asset Abbass you will see that it talk about right to Israel to live in security but not for Palestinians, they ask to demilitarize all Palestine without any security guarantees and a vow to stop the occupation .
  We all know that the USA will never allow Palestine to be recognized anyway. Even it does, countries don't have to wait for Palestine to be recognized to do their obligation and sanctions Israel state wide and stop any military collaboration since they signed genocide and Geneva conventions
  The USA and Israel will always try to stop any aid and support to reach Palestinians

Don't get fooled . There is no mention of Palestine right to security and self defense. He ask for Palestinians to be completely demilitarized before having real assurance that Israel will end occupation completely , there is no mention of how the two state solution would be accomplished and what will happen if Israel refuses

Send troops to stop the fucking genocide!

Took fucking long enough

In France, they repressed palestinian strike, canceled meeting and media defended Israel, he told us he won't arrest Netanyahu, despiste the CPI decision. There is so many things wrong.
Even if he does it, i don't trust him, he could act long before.

As tens of thousands of Gazans starve to death this week...

Oh so the French are anti semites now?
/S

Unironically, admitting Israel, Palestine and Lebanon into the European Union might actually be the solution to this whole fucking clusterfuck.
Edit: major major reforms should take place of course, and Israel should dismantle apartheid and pay reparations, while Lebanon should dismantle the sectarian dysfunction of their government, but as a long term horizon this region needs the wildly successful EU model of peaceful pacification more than any other region in the world.
- Unironically, admitting Israel, Palestine and Lebanon into the European Union might actually be the solution to this whole fucking clusterfuck.
  Only if the EU disarms Israel and restores the '47 border in the process, then prosecute the IDF leadership for war crimes.
  Otherwise, you might as well suggest we admit Ukraine and Russia to the EU to settle that fight as well.
- Membership requires that candidate country has achieved stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights, respect for and protection of minorities, […].
  Yeah, that's not going to happen.
- I doubt that would ever happen anyway, but Britain and Ireland were both in the EU for a long time before they actually struck a peace deal in the Good Friday Agreement.
  
  I know, the EU was also supposed to be the solution to the Cyprus occupation, and that didn't work either.
  I'm not saying that the EU itself is the solution, but that the horizon of the EU, or at least something similar (a MEU?) could play that stabilizing role.
  
  Ireland's in the EU since 1973
- There is only one solution to a Fascist state like Israel and that is dismantling its entire government.
- The EU struggles enough with keeping Hungary and Poland in line. Now imagine taking on countries that have been at war (or at least a cold war) for three quarters of a century.

"will"

In April he teased that they might recognize Palestine in June. What's the hold up? https://www.arabprogress.org/en/macron-and-the-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-the-stated-position-and-its-prospects/
- they had to discuss more with israel and traitors to have a strong plan to demilitarize Palestinians while giving zero guarantees that Israel will end occupation

Cool, now pay reparations to Haiti.
- Are you out of touch?
  
  Since France has at no point paid reparations to Haiti to my knowledge, no I don't think so.

Too late dipshits.
- How can it be too late if he didn't do it, but just planned to do it sometimes later… wait…

This could be a signal that they would take the right side on the Israel-EU trade debate.
- this is a smoke screen to make you forget about Israel-EU trade debate
  
  How is this making me forget about Gaza?

"hello? Based department?"
- France was also the loudest opponent within NATO of the second Gulf War, and they also ejected all the US nuclear sites from their country in the 60s. It's the reason why the "French are cowards" trope keeps getting pushed in American culture.
  
  "there is no French word for entrepreneur"
  
  "French are cowards" trope
  Yeah I hate that one. France being great and the French being a bunch of legends aside, the French army is the most successful in all of history to the best of my knowledge. That one "recent" blip aside.
  You have to hand it to the Germans though... The oul blitzkrieg was a game changer. No shade on the French. Maybe a little for not reinforcing the Ardennes route but sure look, hindsight is 20/20 and all that.

So now being French and liking the French and anything French by extension is going to be made illegal in places.
- Statue of Liberty is gonna get deported

What is even the point in recognizing the tiny piece of land that is Gaza and the mostly desert that is west jordan land as a palestinian state? In this case, i guess it's more than obvious that Israel is an invader into the middle east and shouldn't even be there in the first place. By cementing a two-state solution, it just gives legitimacy to Israel. I'm in fact for a one-state solution, which is only Palestine. Israel doesn't have a right to exist after all, this much is clear, finally.
- Israel has forfeited their right to exist. I used to be on their side, no longer.

Absolutely love this. Again, its time for the EU to step up its international politics game, and this is exactly how you do it

Cool in theory, but what are the Palestinian states borders? Its government?
- Will they? When? Before or after the genocide is complete?
  
  Well ideally for Israel, we all just forget this whole ordeal once they get the genocide done.
  Their entire play is:
  whoops, we did it again, we played with your hearts Got lost in the game but bro trust me, this time for real: never again
  
  I think the guy above you is asking what is Macron recognising as "Palestine". As in does he recognise Palestine as a state under attack by Israel for example, and in recognising Palestine, does he also say that Israel is unlawfully occupying their territory.
  Or what exactly does Macron say Palestine's legitimate government is. Hamas? Fatah? The Knesset?

W france

yet another Fr*nch W keep it up and I may uncensor your name :D

Well, nice knowin' ya