Banned from Manufacturing Consent for correcting numbers

What's confusing is that it felt like MyBrainHurts was doing a gotcha on a gotcha, and then it fell down a rabbit hole from there.

But more than that...

Say ICE kidnaps a pair of kids in the morning. In the afternoon, the distraught parents see them in a detention van and try to get them back. In the commotion, one of the kids dies.

Like, I don't think MyBrainHurts is being deliberate in the language, but "one kid dies in the commotion" rings a big "cop-talk" alarm bell. The whole argument feels dumb and petty, hashed out by two people with no control of the horror in the outside world. And because of the vacuum of activism that is the internet, they waste their time snipping at each other rather than finding a better use for their restless energy.

Being charitable, I'm wondering if they were trying to criticise the guardian making no distinction between soldiers and civilians killed on October 7th.

.ml is a strange little place.

I really should keep an eye out for those comms and just avoid. At least any of the vaguely political ones!

(Just Manufacturing Consent feels like a trap designed for me as Chomsky's thoughts on this are super relevant and interesting so, like a fool, I fell into the trap.)

Gotta stay in the safe lib zones where your indoctrination won't be challenged by a different but very similar indoctrination.

I read it and I don't think it wasn't conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn't track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could've been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn't a direct comparison.

Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.

Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant "america/trump/the church can do no wrong" attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.

YDI, You’re not really correcting numbers but speculating.

There's the "day of" death total provided by OP. There are hostages, taken in the attack who died as a result of being taken hostage. These two numbers, with some margin of error, give the casualties listed by the Guardian.

To declare the hostages as somehow being counted differently is as stupid as ignoring radiation poisoning when counting the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If you want debate as to whether whoever deserved what, you can do that with someone else. But your gross perspective does not change the number of deaths that resulted from October 7th.

what did you do that has piefed warning me about you, I wonder? it only does that for shitty people.

The what?

just a heads up, but "zio" is a term used by David Duke, leader of the KKK.

The latest chapter in the Chicago Dyke March controversy unfolded late last week after the group walked back its use of the term “Zio,” a pejorative brought into prominence by former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke and often deployed by white supremacists.