The internet provider on my dorm explicitly allows legal torrents
The internet provider on my dorm explicitly allows legal torrents
The internet provider on my dorm explicitly allows legal torrents
The Big Brother energy of that "We Can See You" eye in the middle is pretty high.
Yeah college networks are one of the biggest ones I would not trust unless I had a VPN going. Average computing? Perfectly fine. Naughty things? VPN up
If you don't use the VPN for normal things then you leave yourself open to indentification by correlation. It's the same rule for naive Tor users. The more normal and distributed it appears in traffic, the harder it is to correlate other pieces of data they they already have access to.
You shouldn't need to pay for a VPN to prevent your ISP from seeing whether your torrent is public-domain or not if you're using TLS.
I mean, it's an open "heads up" so better that than not informing their students at all
Friendly reminder that the panopticon we live under today was considered horrifying a hundred years ago
Or even 25 years ago! They (and in many cases we) tried to warn them. Turns out the other "they" are happy to give it away for AI slop videos.
That's not when they gave it away. It was well and truly gone 24 years ago lest terrorists win
VPN, even for legal stuff cause "we can see you" can f off tbh
VPN's are the new essential subscription service for online content. Back in the olden times, we had to pay for minutes of using internet and long distance phone calls, today we have to pay for privacy and access to content we're "not allowed" to see. And what you're allowed to see or not is a strange, politically motivated list that is always changing.
Back in the olden days people scoffed at China fencing off the web, shutting down access to sites and whatnot. Now politicians in plenty of western countries actively talk about it like a good thing.
On top of that, the big visible VPN companies are all owned by the same one or two companies, and while they boast loudly about keeping you safe, they do fuck all for privacy. You're just paying to give your data away. There's a scarce few good private VPNs, but they also don't tend to advertise much.
But if that's the extent of the approach you'd still be giving the same information to your VPN provider.
Most people would be better off just making sure all of their traffic uses TLS. If you also need to obscure your address from your destination's host, then combine the two protections.
I got "busted" downloading Debian once lol
Of course, never download Debian buster or you'll get busted.
More reason to use a VPN.
They're not trying to actually stop you; they're trying to keep the lawyers at bay.
Or i2p.
You say you can tell what I'm downloading? Mullvad says otherwise.
You can still download a car
But I would never do that of course. I would however shit in a policemans helmet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg (IT Crowd)
I'm pretty sure I've downloaded more cars for free for GTA IV and Cyberpunk 2077 than I've physically been in.
You wouldn't!
Sounds like a bunch of us should put up seeds with titles like "This (1947) It's A Wonderful Life (Public Domain) is better than (2025) Fantastic Four"
I like your style.
They're just trying not to lose their internet service provider probably. ISP's are even starting to threaten their residential and commercial customers alike because they can't afford the lawsuits so network tech's are starting to turn in individuals about compliance and such.
Yeah, this is just a student-run association running it, providing connection from university's upstream ISP which apparently is easy to upset.
I posted this because I actually find this nice, as it doesn't fully block torrents, but just specific ones, and they also make that clear. They could just block torrents and stay safe.
Func fact: Some dorm rooms apparently actually have 2.5Gbit. I've seen the speed test. Of course, you'll need a compatible network card. Most have "only" a gigabit.
Not a new thing either z this has happened for decades now
Use a VPN, people! The "we're watching you" is not a joke, LOADS of parties are watching your every action, actually
In that case they should have been promoting VPN usage ''(-)
Speaking of which, I gave up on torrents a couple of years ago and switched to direct downloads. Not only is it much faster due to not having to rely on seeds, turns out that ISPs don't actually care if you download pirated content. Distributing it is where they get you.
This is going to depend on the country that you're in. Germany for example is pretty notorious for also going after the small fries.
Why would anyone, anywhere block torrenting? There is nothing illegal about it.
Coming from an IT perspective, I can tell you 100% that torrenting on a network can cause a bottleneck with the amount of bandwidth that it often can take especially if it's not set up properly. Several years ago I remember working in a corporate network and we had our internet slow down to a near crawl because one person decided they wanted to torrent a movie during one of our busiest seasons. Let's just say we're able to track them down and they got fired on the spot.
because IP holders have enough pull to make their removed and moaning heard instead of fixing inherent issues to force people into piracy.
Laziness, much easier to just block it than try to prevent only illegal torrents
Do you want real answers or are you just expressing frustration? Because if you're just expressing frustration then the answers will just frustrate you more lol.
Legal game updates as torrents? Is that a thing?
Humble Bundle distributes their DRM-free games and other content via BitTorrent.
I know WoW used bittorrent for game updates, it was built in and was the "standard" download mechanism.
https://worldofwarcraft.fandom.com/et/wiki/Blizzard_Downloader
I'm sure it's far from the only game that did.
Even Windows Update has a peer-to-peer option.
Valve hired the creator of Bittorrent to design Steam.
Bram Cohen. He also created a crypto protocol called Chia, which is interesting. The idea was to create a green (ish) crypto that would leverage existing resources, in this case old storage drives. So it uses "proof of space" rather than "proof of work". The "plotter" (as opposed to computationally intensive GPU/CPU "mining") fills up your storage space with "plots", randomly generated data files ~100gb each. To earn crypto, it's basically a lottery against your plots. The network gives you a random hash, and if it matches one of your plot files, you get rewarded with a token. Very low power, keeps old storage out of landfill a while longer, and once those plots are initially made, they're good to go forever - they can "win" more than once, so the more energy-intensive process of plotting (though it's still nowhere near the consumption of proof-of-work, which is a disaster) has a natural upper limit of your total storage space.
The difficult bit is creating the plots, it takes hours to days to create one, depending on your write speed. I put my fastest storage on that, a specialised PCIe nvme SSD. I think I was able to bang out a plot every couple hours eventually, then I would offload it to a somewhat monstrous storage server with the maximum number of drives the motherboard would support. Others in the community created massive RAM drives. Very expensive, but super duper fast.
I plotted for a while, but cashed out when it stopped making sense economically. Eventually, the price per terabyte of storage + electricity eclipsed any significant gains. Did a lot of scavenging, haunting thrift shops, and trading up for higher storage capacity on eBay. Actually made a few grand of pure profit before the price settled down, and difficulty increased. That was the most fun I've ever had with crypto. Besides all the storage, cables and hubs, I built my "farm" solely from stuff I already had laying around. I even made a profit selling all the drives back, as this project singlehandedly pulled almost all the slack out of the used storage market. It kept a lot of equipment out of the landfill for much longer than usual, which is pretty neat.
Back in the day FFXIV 1.0 distributed updates via torrent iirc.
League of Legends used to, don’t know if they still do. There was a setting in the patcher to turn p2p off.
At least theyre making the distinction
Private tracker plus encryption. Good luck.
Issue is getting into the tracker, yeah? Back in the day it was going into random irc channels to beg for an invite, along with like 100 other randoms doing the same. I would imagine not much has changed in that regard, it just happens on Discord or Telegram?
Policing this crap isn't trivial and not worth the effort.
We just gave up and block 100% of all P2P traffic on both our university wireless and student wired networks.
In our corporate network, we just detect for common BT applications on the endpoint and alert on that instead.
My university just blacklisted the questionable trackers' DNS, not the actual data traffic
So basically I would tether to my cell phone, wait for it to fetch a list of peers from the tracker, and then switch back to the uni wifi to complete the download
What do you mean by blocking "100% of all P2P traffic"?
100% of all P2P protocols, literally are blocked by our University F5 BigIP by rule.
All of them (including certain Lemmy features).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_P2P_protocols
When your IT has a small budget, you do what you need to do in order to mitigate the actions of the few.
debrid services for the win! just let someone else torrent it for you, and download it from them.
AllDebrid costs €3 a month and saves you any legal headaches.
nice
I am saving that...
I think in the US at least even doing that is a no-no unfortunately.
thx for clearing that up! in Europe at least, consumer protection laws cover downloads ("you're a moron who doesn't know what you're actually downloading and whether it is legal"), but seeding == distributing, which is a punishable offence
It doesn't provide legal safety here in the states, you'll wanna use some kind of anonymizing service.
If, however, you plan to do lots of streaming of your torrents, it is absolutely the best way to go. I am familiar with RealDebrid, which is a similar service. Its good stuff, probably pay with cash-by-mail or cryptocurrency though.
should really learn how to block the leeches from debrid services, because they contribute* nothing to the pool...
AllDebrid retains files for 30 days and must be seeding a ton (how would they get high download speed otherwise?), what am i missing here?
the caching of files also helps, since they're only leeched once, then downloaded from their servers by potentially more than one user
At least it's allowed, when I was in college they didn't allow any torrent traffic at all. They had also banned pings specifically, and threatened to shut off my internet if I didn't stop trying to send pings, which apparently my torrent client was doing automatically.
At least it’s allowed
That was my point. It being allowed rather than "we received 2 not nice letters, say goodbye to that entire protocol" as usual.
If you get the torrent from a site using HTTPS and get the data only from encrypted peers is it even possible to tell what people are downloading?
Not from monitoring on the network
But if one of those peers is a snitch then you have a potential issue
If it was me, I'd snoop the DNS requests and/or SNI headers. Flag on torrent index sites and trackers known to be used for pirate stuff. They don't need to know exactly which paw patrol movie you're downloading, just that you are getting something from thepiratebay.
For anything public, it's anything varying from trivial to hard/annoying depending on your client settings, but never quite impossible. Even in the best-case scenario where you have DHT turned off and all the trackers in the torrent are using HTTPS, man-in-the-middle attacks are fairly doable for anything popular.
Lol
This can be easily bypassed by joining the seeding/downloading of popular torrents which gives access to peers' IPs.
me with my vpn
Glad they don't see the porn.
Interesting, but torrents have legal uses so it shouldn't be too surprising. I've had data sets provided by torrent due to size, although it's not that common.
Do keep in mind, is a school Internet if it's on the dorm so this is probably more a warning than anything. It's not that different than trying to do illegal stuff on a library computer (or even legal stuff like porn. Don't do that on a school or work computer, lol).
I did find it interesting that my own school Internet in student apartments didn't have this problem, though. Iirc, that was because it was individually done via spectrum, not a campus intranet. My personalized orientation, the grad student showing me around even had pirating suggestions, lol.
Where does one even find legal torrents?
Archive.org for example. Plenty of legal torrents on public trackers like tpb too.
I second This. I just downloaded about 40gb of Music from a label that published all their music on archive.org
I wonder if there's an anonymized version 9f torrenting software ?
Luckily, Hungary is not this crazy yet to monitor the sussy hosts or protocols.
The Paw Patrol movie? Really?
...which is why today's sponsor is NordVPN!
(don't actually use NV there are much better options, this was for comedic effect)
What's wrong with Nord?
Overall the marketing is dishonest/over promises and there's some previous lack of transparency with data breaches along with being closed source. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NordVPN#Criticism
There's just better options: https://thatoneprivacysite.xyz/
How have you not yet realised to be very doubtful and suspicious of anything that's heavily advertised on YouTube etc? Which Nord is like top 5 of along with Raid Shadow Legends, Raycon earbuds, BetterHelp and Manscaped. All, including Nord, having been widely known for years to be scams and/or just shitty products and companies. Do you really think they'd do those sponsorship deals if they were actually good and naturally got customers via word of mouth? All of this is so damn obvious.
aside from the fact it just doesn't work on windows 10 anymore for me?
idk it also seems to not work for torrenting, one of my ISPs blocks torrent traffic when using it now
Nord is owned by a shady company
It's not too bad. The client is the usual bulky Electron trash though.
it has google firebase trackers https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/652224/
use mullvad instead
Nothing really, I've been using them for years and have had no issues.
If you're just pirating movies it's fine, as long as you're not selling state secrets or anything like that you're fine with nord.
For real. I don't torrent much rn but I absolutely would if I saw this