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Now that Red Hat is being IBM-fied, should I leave Fedora Kinoite?

I left Ubuntu when they sent all my dock search history to Amazon. But this time is different, should I leave Fedora considering how much it is developed by Red Hat?

I've actively defended this distribution and Red Hat for many years now and I'm deep in their technology but I want to avoid being a Devil's Advocate.

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  • If you can switch, switch.

    If you can't switch, wait until Fedora is forked to a new project, which is inevitable at this point given how dependent Fedora is on Red Hat for governance (source: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/council/), and it seems that Red Hat no longer wants Fedora (source: recent pivoting away from the community, and laying off the Fedora project lead in May and terminating the position).

    I expect within a few years, you will be able to just change repositories and a signing key, and load whatever community-based Freedora replaces it.

    I would avoid openSUSE which just wants to be another Red Hat (Aeon is just a shitty Silverblue and the project lead hates KDE) and SuSE in general has been hostile towards free software in the past and will likely do so again if they had to choose.

    Arch, Debian, EndeavourOS, Solus, NixOS are community driven and unlikely to have some kind of corporate/hostile takeover.

  • just use a community-lead or non-profit foundation lead distro: NixOS (better than silverblue/kinoite in all aspects they try to sell), Arch, or Debian.

    For professional usage, you generally go Ubuntu, or some RHEL derivative.

  • Depends on how your your perspective on this is: I don't think this will affect the distro at all, development and maintenance will probably continue as is and you as the user will not feel any difference...

    But if you don't want to use any of their projects anymore, you should switch, yes. But don't think you somehow "hurt or harm" them by "boycotting" fedora. Since you don't pay anything for fedora, you do not provide them any revenue by using it, therefore you are not taking any possible source of income away by NOT using it anymore.

    You switching to another distro will change only what you use and nothing in the big picture. So it's 100% up to you with literally zero external factors to consider.... atleast imho

  • I feel like this is what it finally took to push me to Arch. I absolutely love Fedora too. I don't mind Redhat as an entity making money for their employees. What I do mind is insulting their users and having another megacorp like IBM make these actual decisions.

  • I just finished watching Jay's opinion on this very topic before I read your post. He makes some compelling points: https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=fqfyM7zE6KM

    Having worked for many very large corporations in my day, I observe that no "company" can have any more integrity than the leadership in that company and the larger the company, the more leadership there is (boards of directors, shareholders, c-suite execs, etc). The more leadership, the less integrity because there isn't a single rudder guiding the ship. So, I believe nothing said by any large company because the person saying it is nothing more than the voice for that company at that particular minute and it's anyone's guess the machinations going on behind the curtain, which can and will change depending upon profitability and political goals from quarter-to-quarter. It can be no other way in large organizations (including companies, governments, tribes, etc). With smaller companies/projects, the product or service is much more likely to stick with a principal or goal because there's fewer chefs in the kitchen and the person speaking for the team is more likely to exercise integrity because they can. When I say integrity, my definition in this context is "aligning actions with words." So my take is there is a risk with hitching your wagon to any distro because larger orgs have more resources but are less likely to exercise transparency but smaller projects may have the transparency but not the resources.

    I've been using Pop! for a few years and it's a small company (System76) with obvious goals to grow, which is certainly something to be cautious of because nearly every company loses their original principals when they begin striving for growth over convictions. I've been running Fedora in several VM's and I'm not planning to change that until IBM decides to pee in that project's bathwater too.

  • That's a personal decision and will depend on how you feel about using Fedora now. If you do decide to change have a look at openSUSE Kalpa, an immutable KDE based distro.

  • A good part of the fedora immutable spins that they are just base systems for running flatpak apps and if you use apps as flatpaks what distro to use as a base system doesn't matter much. Even immutability is not such a big deal as the separation between the base system and the applications. It is less about tech and more about usage habits.

    As a flatpak user I can call myself a distro nomad. I've switched from Silverblue to Debian now. If you use Kinoite you can try KDE Neon + flatpaks or openSUSE Kalpa (their immutable variant with KDE).

  • @Raphael I personally recommend Debian. Never had any shit from Debian, and with the recent release of Debian 12, it's now better than ever. Now's actually the perfect time to switch to Debian....

  • To me, it really doesn't feel like you need to switch unless you're actually being affected by this in some way. Fedora isn't actually Red Hat, they're just sponsored by them and assisted by them in other ways because Red Hat uses them as an upstream, but the worst case scenario that I know of, is simply that Red Hat will cut ties with Fedora.

  • i just installed Kinoite on my laptop and I really like this distro feels very solid and snappy. i might just do ostree-rpm to rawhide to be on the latest of it at some point.

    • No need to rawhide, Fedora already breaks all by itself every now and then.

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