1y ago

Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff

I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.

Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a "Skip"/"Don't remind me again". Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I'd expect not to be bothered again. It's really a built in ad more then anything.

2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)

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So many comments shitting here and not giving helpful advice at all, so so fucking stupid. The best way to get ahead of this would be when the next time this pops up, press Shift + f10 and then type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" easy and simple, takes only a few seconds and makes everything more seamless, such as no one drive bullshit etc..
- Easy and simple
  Dont forget to shit on linux afterwards for how difficult it is
  
  Honestly I find constantly having to keep on top of disabling questionable windows features and bloat (knowing I've definitely missed something) more difficult and exhausting than just using linux. Linux feels way more "easy and simple" to me than windows ever has been.
  
  I really didn't think anything about linux before but the number of people on lemmy being so annoying about linux just makes me really dislike it.
  
  Right? The top comments being people commenting just to laugh at the guy using windows on a work computer is grossing me out. They're like the loud vegans for computers. Just like veganism I agree with a lot of it but the fan base (for lack of a better term atm sorry) is SO aggressively off-putting lol
- Then delete system32 folder?
  What are these instructions actually doing?
  
  Idk how it works but if you type this on the console you will never get this window again.
  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/set-up-windows-11-without-internet-oobebypassnro/4fc44554-b416-4ecb-8961-6f79fd55ae0f
- press Shift + f10 and then type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" easy and simple, takes only a few seconds
  Not picking on you, that is actually really good advice and a neat shortcut I'll be trying myself. I just think it's funny all the reddit threads regarding Linux usage, someone will pop in with a simple commands to get whatever the user wants done quickly (Ex: Open the Console and type "sudo apt update" then "sudo apt upgrade" and you'll be good!) and they get shit on with comments like "OMG! You have to Open a terminal to do anything! This is why Windowz rules and Linux is for fanboy dorks!!"
  Btw, I dual boot.
  
  I understand. I use Linux with dual boot myself and I know how great and free it feels to just use a terminal for everything. However, I cannot count how many times I have been frustrated when something just doesn't work. Some software that doesn't exist in apt is can be hard to install sometimes if you have to compile it yourself. And if you want to delete something that you didn't install via apt?? Good luck with that. Linux doesn't exist without its own problems. The use cases for both windows and Linux are very different. It doesn't fit everybody
- I'll give that a try, thank you.
- I believe this method was blocked. But it's also not what the screen shot is. This is an update screen.
  
  It worked on my machine. Also, why would they block it?? This specific command was definitely added by some Microsoft engineer, and not just for shits and giggles. There must have been some reason to add it in the first place, and certainly no reason to block it.
  
  Sorry, missed your reply. I run the setup for Windows on a lot of computers. Last time I tried that command it wasn't working. I used to be able to start the setup and once you got to the point of needing to sign in to a Microsoft account you could skip it. They removed that. Then this command you are talking about worked for a bit. Then removing the ethernet cable worked for a while, Microsoft closed that too. Currently I connect the machines to a network and attempt to log into an account, but mistype the password. This will give an error and allow a local account. Unfortunately these are machines for sale, so I can't use a Microsoft account like they want. It's a whole "thing". However, if it's your own machine, use Rufus to create a boot disk that will bypass the Microsoft account requirement.
  Why would they block it? Because they want everyone to use a Microsoft account, and they have been getting more and more aggressive about it.
  Edit: forgot to mention again, OP's post image is from an update message and not initial Win 11 install. The command to skip the sign on is for OOBE, "out of box experience". Aka initial setup.
  For this screen not to come back, Settings notifications turn off the last three checkboxes
- How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there's always documentation. There's no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.
  
  To be honest, you just have to Google things that you really want to fix. Genuinely just ask it how to make simple things simpler and you will find so much helpful stuff out there. If you feel some discomfort while using windows, know that there's always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
  
  To be clear, I've been using Windows since I was literally in diapers [3]. Only this summer did I take the plunge and actually start using Linux as a daily driver. I generally know my way around a Windows system because of Googling things I don't know.
  My concern is because I have been using Windows as a "home" user, e.g. on non-enterprise systems, there's going to be a whole bunch of stuff that I don't know that I have no chance of finding unless I happen to know an experienced sysadmin.
  IMO, Googling [1] things is often how I solve computer problems, but it's a very strange way of working if you think about it. Shouldn't our software tell us how to use it? At the bare minimum, software designed for use by the general public, including those who aren't familiar with computers
  It's a bit of a strange response, "go to company A for information about company B's products". And yet, it is the response I unfortunately have to choose time and time again because Microsoft is too protective of their secrets, including apparently how to use their OS. Microsoft, who as a reminder is a business trying to convince me to keep buying their product, should be the primary source of information about their product.
  Microsoft does have some online support, but they don't have it at the level of detail that Linux does. What has really amazed me about Linux is that the various developers actually tell you how to use their software [2]. If there's something not in the manual, they probably don't know enough about it to have finished the documentation. In those scenarios, you can go make an issue on GitHub. As complicated as Linux has been to learn, it's been a lot less "Google [1] it" and a lot more "read the docs".
  If you feel some discomfort while using Windows, know that there's always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
  Well...no, actually. For example, if I want to replace the user interface, you cannot do that. You can change it cosmetically, and there are a few registry entries you can fiddle with, but if you want to throw out the whole thing and use a completely different desktop environment, you're out of luck. I installed my copy of Debian with KDE Plasma, but I also installed LXDE as an option for the rare cases when I need all 16GB of my RAM. I also tried out XFCE and LXQT to give them their fair shake. The default for Debian is actually GNOME, which I knew from prior experience was not for me. Actually, I wouldn't use a system where the only option is GNOME, so the freedom to choose a desktop environment (or none at all; e.g. window managers or the command line for the brave) was a precondition to my adoption of Linux.
  Every single part of my system can be swapped out for something else. Even the kernel need not be "pure" Linux. For example, I do a lot of real-time audio computing, so I've been "shopping for" the best kernel for real-time audio. There are a few patched kernels specifically for real-time applications, although the default Linux kernel is quite good.
  This is far from the only area where Windows locks you into a choice. Actually, it's a lot worse than that; Windows (more accurately Microsoft) continues to lock me into choices because I have to limit my choices to those that work with Windows installations. They could add Linux compatibility to their systems (because the whole ecosystem is open source, they don't need to reverse-engineer anything; just copy the Linux stuff!), but they choose not to do so, and instead insist on proprietary formats.
  [1] I don't use Google search anymore. IMO the only use case for Google search is when you are somehow required to use it. In the example above, I would never allow company A to be Google, because based on Google's history it is clear that Google ought not exist. I often allow company A to be DuckDuckGo or an amalgamation of stripped results from SearXNG, but even then I think that the usage of company B's products should be the domain of company B.
  [2] It's not perfect, but systematically it seems like more than an attempt has been made to document the various FOSS software components. For example, some of the more obscure KDE software have holes in the docs, which I have actually been running up against in the past few days. The rest of the KDE software has excellent documentation, and if you're a Plasma user, it's probably already on your computer. Remember, this is coming from a largely volunteer development force; compare that with the power and professional workforce of Microsoft.
  [3] I have worked and played in every non-enterprise Windows OS from Windows 95 to Windows 10. I have used Windows 11 a handful of times but I'm not very familiar with it, besides the baseline familiarity that comes from working with NT systems in general.
  
  What's your point here? If you want to argue with me about semantics then I absolutely could not care less about it. Yes of course you can't change shit, because windows is designed this way. It's made this way for people who don't know how to do things be able to easily Google their problem and find a step by step solution that is almost certain to work since windows ui doesn't change a lot. Also, at this point googling is a popular verb which means "searching shit on the internet". Use whatever browser you want, I use brave search and searx from my distro. Congratulations on successfully shitting on windows, like everybody else in this thread.
  Of course Linux is better for most intents and purposes, but that's entirely not the fucking point here. The point here is how to use windows better? With all the shit Microsoft does? And the answer is you search it on the internet, it's just how it is and complaining about it and saying Linux does it better does not change anything.
  If you have a problem in windows, for example one of the things I was really annoyed about in win11 was that whenever I searched something on the task bar, an internet result would pop up that will open bing on edge. I didn't want that so I googled it (searched on the internet with brave search) and turns out that you can add a registry my that can disable all web searches from the taskbar! So Yay one annoyance fixed. There are hundreds of things like that which you can just search and figure out a way to disable a shit Microsoft thing or bypass it.
  What I had originally meant was that in general, you can control a lot behind the scenes in windows, even if you can't see it up front. You can shit on it all you want but being toxic to people and telling them to install Linux is obviously not the way to go. Gatekeeping is for idiots. Use what you want to use, do what you think is best for you, and I do what is best for me. From time to time I do use windows to play some games that don't work on Linux yet, or use some software that doesn't support Linux and I don't want to spend hours trying to figure out how to install there. It's efficient for me and that's how I keep it.
  Windows is terrible at a lot of things, and Linux is terrible at a lot of things too but those things are completely different and it is no use to compare as everyone's needs are different. There is no one size fits all, there never will be.
- thanks!
- Yeah just a bunch of Linux nerds on their high horse feeling smug. This attitude actively pushes people away from your platform, not towards it. If you want more people to use Linux the first step is NOT acting like a smug dick about it.
  
  Exactly, the one thing you cannot do is force someone to move to Linux. They eventually do it on their own when they get tired of being shit on by Microsoft, or just see in general that yeah! This specific thing is gonna make my life so much easier! That's why I did it and I understand why people wouldn't want to switch to it, there's nothing that we can do about it
- I wonder whether the developers who wrote this script, did it in order to avoid these annoying messages by themselves

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