1y ago

Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff

I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.

Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a "Skip"/"Don't remind me again". Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I'd expect not to be bothered again. It's really a built in ad more then anything.

2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)

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Remind me in 3 days. That shit should be against the law. There should be a don't bug me ever again option.
- Try to uncheck "Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows"/"Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what’s new and suggested" in Settings -> System -> Notification & actions (Windows 10) or "Offer suggestions on how I can set up my device" in Settings -> System -> Notifications (Windows 11)
  
  Linux user here. But, that will be helpful for many I'm sure. Nice
  
  Weird coincidence but this is also how you opt out of a time share condo!
  
  big if true
- "Why are you upset? We gave you a choice."
  
  Afterall, "Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices.".
- It's a dark pattern microaggression.

That's actually a good thing IMO, Microsoft is giving people more reasons to switch to Linux. How kind of them!
- The new Debian is fucking awesome.
  
  Debian have been fucking awesome since i installed it 23 years ago! It was leaps and bounds better then it's contemporaries.
  
  what's cool about it?
- Good point, adds to the mountain. I may just see if I could run a windows VM at this point tbh.
  
  I switched to Pop!OS recently and Windows runs faster in a VM
  (because you've only installed the 1 app you need to run not your entire life, and then snapshot it after debloating so it's always the same)
  
  If you don't play games like valorant, and only need windows for specific tasks then going with a windows VM is a good option.
- It would not help. They just buy a Chromebook instead because there are no other alternatives in the shop. It would be a different story if the thing when you start the new computer get a guide to choose your OS to use. Even better if Android was the same. EU should force this IMO.
- ah yes the non-idealistic idealist, i always admired your kind

Windows is nagware now. Microsoft dared to imagine an entire OS on the Winrar model.
- Its actually worse than that. I PAID for Windows. If I paid for WinRAR they would stop.
  
  Well WinRAR only nags you when you use it, unlike windows that is always running and almost always nagging.
- I wish they went with the winrar model. Winrar just nags you once when starting. Windows keeps trying to trick you into giving them your data and signing up for a subscription.
- Don't you compare windows to that time honoured and helpful software. WinRAR knows when to quit, and is free

So many comments shitting here and not giving helpful advice at all, so so fucking stupid. The best way to get ahead of this would be when the next time this pops up, press Shift + f10 and then type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" easy and simple, takes only a few seconds and makes everything more seamless, such as no one drive bullshit etc..
- Easy and simple
  Dont forget to shit on linux afterwards for how difficult it is
  
  Honestly I find constantly having to keep on top of disabling questionable windows features and bloat (knowing I've definitely missed something) more difficult and exhausting than just using linux. Linux feels way more "easy and simple" to me than windows ever has been.
  
  I really didn't think anything about linux before but the number of people on lemmy being so annoying about linux just makes me really dislike it.
- Then delete system32 folder?
  What are these instructions actually doing?
  
  Idk how it works but if you type this on the console you will never get this window again.
  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/all/set-up-windows-11-without-internet-oobebypassnro/4fc44554-b416-4ecb-8961-6f79fd55ae0f
- press Shift + f10 and then type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" easy and simple, takes only a few seconds
  Not picking on you, that is actually really good advice and a neat shortcut I'll be trying myself. I just think it's funny all the reddit threads regarding Linux usage, someone will pop in with a simple commands to get whatever the user wants done quickly (Ex: Open the Console and type "sudo apt update" then "sudo apt upgrade" and you'll be good!) and they get shit on with comments like "OMG! You have to Open a terminal to do anything! This is why Windowz rules and Linux is for fanboy dorks!!"
  Btw, I dual boot.
  
  I understand. I use Linux with dual boot myself and I know how great and free it feels to just use a terminal for everything. However, I cannot count how many times I have been frustrated when something just doesn't work. Some software that doesn't exist in apt is can be hard to install sometimes if you have to compile it yourself. And if you want to delete something that you didn't install via apt?? Good luck with that. Linux doesn't exist without its own problems. The use cases for both windows and Linux are very different. It doesn't fit everybody
- I'll give that a try, thank you.
- I believe this method was blocked. But it's also not what the screen shot is. This is an update screen.
  
  It worked on my machine. Also, why would they block it?? This specific command was definitely added by some Microsoft engineer, and not just for shits and giggles. There must have been some reason to add it in the first place, and certainly no reason to block it.
- How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there's always documentation. There's no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.
  
  To be honest, you just have to Google things that you really want to fix. Genuinely just ask it how to make simple things simpler and you will find so much helpful stuff out there. If you feel some discomfort while using windows, know that there's always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it
- thanks!
- Yeah just a bunch of Linux nerds on their high horse feeling smug. This attitude actively pushes people away from your platform, not towards it. If you want more people to use Linux the first step is NOT acting like a smug dick about it.
  
  Exactly, the one thing you cannot do is force someone to move to Linux. They eventually do it on their own when they get tired of being shit on by Microsoft, or just see in general that yeah! This specific thing is gonna make my life so much easier! That's why I did it and I understand why people wouldn't want to switch to it, there's nothing that we can do about it
- I wonder whether the developers who wrote this script, did it in order to avoid these annoying messages by themselves

If it's your own machine, I recommend running one of the Windows 11 debloaters.
I've moved all of my personal machines over to Linux (specifically Ubuntu). Windows just isn't worth it anymore.
- That's a good recommendation, I actually did run a windows debloater/spyware before. This just happened to be snuck in with an update I guess? I should probably do it again at this point.
  I wouldn't use Windows if I didn't have too...I do run Tails and Ubuntu as well but unfortunately 40hrs+ a week on Windows...it sucks.
  
  You have to run it again after every major update.
  
  Run the debloater every update. Some stuff in there is actual settings, but other stuff will be "repaired" by windows.
  Also, a workaround to that screen (so far, at least) is to shut the computer down and start up again and it doesn't return till next update.
  
  Question: if you already don't like Windows, I assume you don't care about the new features that come with new updates. So I wonder - why do you update at all? Set everything up as you want it, remove all the hot garbage as you see fit, and disable updates.
- How do you like the Snap store and snap packages being pushed on you silently when you try to install packages through APT? :)
  
  Give them a break. They just moved from Windows, you just need to relearn to breath after that. Moving to another distro is a small step in comparison.
  
  I have run into zero issues installing packages from other places. The snap store is a bit annoying but not a big deal. I've been on and off using Ubuntu since ~2005 so that's why I went with it over another distro.
- You want a broken Windows install? This is how you get a broken Windows install.
  
  Speaking from experience here. I've done this on over a dozen different computers with zero issues over a three month span. It was part of a proposal for transitioning our company computers to Windows 11 while cutting out the junk. None of them had any problems running without Xbox services, Cortana, bloatware games, activity tracking, etc.
  We ended up using Microsoft Intune for restricting Windows 10/11 to our standards. But that's not really available for consumers and debloaters are safe to use instead.

This kind of shit is what made me switch to Linux. I just didn't feel like I owned my computer anymore.
- Yeah, I'm going to see about Quebes or just running VM inside Ubuntu at this point.

The most infuriating thing about windows to me is the big stupid fucking red X on every single file, reminding me that I'm not currently storing my shit on someone else's computer. Is there a way to remove that service from my computer entirely?
- Uninstall onedrive
  
  That's what I did, it's one of the few things that it does let you uninstall.
- Disable Manage folder backup feature in OneDrive settings -> Backup -> Manage backup -> Stop backup on all folders, or toggle them off on newer version.

It’s not your computer, it’s Microsoft’s. That’s the message I get from using windows.
- In otherwords, it's Apple now, but with none of the benefits.
- It is literally not - they sell licenses to large companies, and individual users are only an afterthought.

You can prevent this. Click remind later then go to your notifications in the settings app. Uncheck "Suggest ways I can finish setting up" and anything else you don't want to see.
- I love that I have to go out of my way and follow online instructions to undo something that they forced on me in the first place. That's customer antagonistic design for you.
  
  *Complains that Microsoft gives you a way to turn something off.
- Alternatively: You can prevent this. Use a different operating system.
  
  This is the best option, I like Fedora
- "No thanks, I'd rather complain that Microsoft advertising their other services in a totally configurable setting which I can disable is the same as the entire OS literally being an ad."
  
  Why do we have to take more time to disable this shit? We are not all.made of unlimited time. And yes "it only takes a few seconds". Every time something like this shows up the seconds add up

We can removed all we want but their dollars still go up
- And those dollars need to go up so those who invest get returns. And you are an idiot if you don’t invest your money, what kind of loser doesn’t invest their money? Don’t you want your dollars to go up?
  
  Line goes up!

Windows 10 is my last windows. When it's no longer supported I guess I'll have to learn to use Linux.
- I'm not waiting for that, just waiting until I have a free few days to figure out linux.
  Also abandoning Android for Graphene as soon as I get a new phone.
  Enshittification advances ever onwards
  
  Give us an update in a few months how that goes for you
  
  It only takes like an evening. Go with Linux Mint and essentially you will be using your computer in a half hour. Everything else is the fun of discovering all the cool stuff that Linux does easier and more flexible than Windows.
- Or you can use ShutUp to turn off a bunch of annoying shit that microsoft pushes
  
  Is it open source?
- You should probably start learning before your OS is out of support.
- Windows 7 was my last Windows. Why wait?
- If you shift over to Windows 10 LTSC you'll get security updates until 2032.
- You could try dual booting to make the migration a little less extreme. I started that around the time Windows 11 came out and realized about a year later I don't use Windows for personal stuff anymore. Windows is now gone and I do not really miss it.
  
  Pro-tip for dual booting Linux: make it the primary OS. Humans are inherently resistant to change, so you need to set yourself up for overcoming that.

Eh, this particular screen is kind if misleading. You say you dont see a "skip" or "do not remind again" button, well that's because those buttons are on the next screen(s) for each individual feature. I've gotten this screen a couple times, just click through and you can skip/opt out of all the features. It's kind of silly, but I think the point is that they want you to look at each new feature individually.
- Yeah, but nothing here would be considered as a "new feature" and each is an ad for a product that OP chose not to use during initial install. As such, s/he shouldn't be reminded of them, especially not during an OS update and certainly not with an unskippable window. Yes, s/he has the option to skip each feature individually later, but this initial window is either a "remind me later" or a "do it now".
  To get into specifics of each item:
  OneDrive has been around forever.
  If OP customized his/her browsing experience, s/he clearly doesn't want "Microsoft recommended browser settings" (which, by the way, is Edge with Bing search and with all telemetry turn on high).
  365 has been around for a while, and this thing is pushing the subscription (by definition, an ad for a paid product).
  Windows Phone app isn't new, either.
  Microsoft Hello has been around for about as long as Windows Phone app and features.
- Then this screen itself is misleading, because it gives no indication that you don't need to do the stuff. It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn't malware.
  
  It should have the X to close the screen, like every other window that isn’t malware.
  In other words, it's designed exactly as intended.

Image Transcription:
The Windows 11 Set Up Wizard with the following text: Let's finish setting up your PC Your PC needs to be backed up and connected to a few more Microsoft services to help you work more easily and securely across all your devices. Back up your files with OneDrive cloud storage Have peace of mind knowing they're backed up and available across your devices. Enhance your web browsing experience Restore Microsoft recommended browser settings. Achieve more with a Microsoft 365 subscription Get premium Microsoft 365 apps, 1 TB of cloud storage to back up files and photos, and more. Back up your phone to your PC Access your phone's photos, texts, and more, right on your PC. Sign in quickly with Windows Hello Securely unlock your device with a touch or a smile. Below are the buttons Remind me in 3 days and Continue
[I am a human, if I’ve made a mistake please let me know. Please consider providing alt-text for ease of use. Thank you. 💜]
- Is there a way to put alt text in lemmy? I could see the benefit especially for screen readers. I could only see putting it in the content section right?
  
  Mostly I've seen it in the text part of the post as part or all of the description/text.

Don't support Windows. Just use windows activation scripts and run Chris Titus Tech's Windows security and debloating script. If you can, you're better off on Linux.

Go to Settings > System > Notifications. Turn off the last three check boxes. This screen won't come back.
- Through the door with the sign "Beware of the Leopard".

The thing that really rubs me the wrong way about all this is we pay for Windows, I have 3 licenses for Windows 11 and it's gotten so annoying that I don't even use them anymore. I've been a Linux user for quite a while already and between Microsoft's doing more and more data collection, and more ads, I just walked away from it a couple years ago. Fortunately, I was in a position where I could do so. I feel bad for folks that must use Windows for this or that and can't escape it.
- You just have to pick your poison. Windows is easy to use. I don't want a walled garden ios machine, nor do I want to spend 2 hours on a forum trying to troubleshoot every little thing on Linux.
  
  I have used both Windows and Linux extensively, and although Linux used to be a serious amount of nonsense to get stuff to work, it's not like that any more. I spend similar amounts of time troubleshooting on each. Help for Linux sometimes is better. If you end up on the Microsoft answers forum, good luck to you, because it means the real answer is buried somewhere on the Internet, if it's there at all.
  
  That's not really how Linux is now. At least not Ubuntu varieties
  
  As a Linux user I can tell you that I run into plenty of issues no matter what distro I use. I still prefer it over windows.
  
  Exactly this. Tried Linux mint a while but everything was a hastle for me as a new user. Every program I wanted to install had a different method to do so. I ended up not much using the laptop where I installed it on. A pity, I love alternative software.

I swear this gets posted weekly, there’s a simple solution but it’s always missing from the comments.
Go into notification settings
Uncheck "Suggest ways I can finish setting up my device to get the most out of Windows"
While you’re at it, turn off any of the other suggestion / recommendation settings.
- Except Microsoft will occasionally reset settings on updates.
- I did already have this turned off, and it still pops things up like this and trying to get me to sign into a Microsoft account. It's just annoying and they don't provide an option to skip or don't remind me again which makes it even worse.
- The problem is, there's no immediately visible option to stop this crap; stopping said crap therefore takes time, which is an individual person's single most valuable resource. People have to go searching through settings or go googling 'how do I do this' in order to disable this, and even that slight inconvenience means there's going to be a lot of people that want to disable it, but end up not bothering, and that's not a good thing. Rule of thumb, if it's not absolutely trivial to do on a whim, it may as well be impossible.

Windows is actually right back where it used to be, to be honest. Getting pretty tired of the whole "ecosystem" tech philosophy.

That pops up on every feature update on win11. But you're on the preview channel which is known to push and test experimental features. I'd suggest you unenroll your device if stuff like more ads for 365 or missing features for testing purposes bug you. Microsoft even regularly roll out one feature for a percentage of testers and take it away from the rest, just to see what happens.
- The only thing I can think of is having it selected to automatically install the latest updates, I haven't signed up or enabled anything else. Is that why its preview?
  
  Then you’re either not remembering or you aren’t in it
  Either way I’ve had this screen pop up for me too a couple times after updating but they never “added” anything, I don’t see them adding anything here either - just wanted to make that distinction to be fair to MS for the sake of convo only (not gonna forget the bullshit about that Sting concert.)

I always laugh that the option not to get Microsoft 365 is just "Stay Basic"
- That means Microsoft 365 is an acid. Because avoiding acids is how you stay basic.
  
  Or you could be neutral, why do neutrals always get oppressed

Local account and disabled as much as I could
2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems
Why are you running updates for beta testers, if you decided to disable as much as you could? Those "Preview" updates will install everything you're missing and more every time, that's their purpose.
Switch to stable updates only, and you won't have that problem... or at least have it way less often.
- They will definitely still have the problem.
- PEBKAC error for sure
- I literally do not have anything extra turned on, including the Insider Program has always been off. Other then automatic updates, so your guess is as good as mine as why "Preview" updates or otherwise would be pushed. It's not that I'm enrolled in beta or anything.

Windows is bullshit

Just upgrade back to Windows 10.
- You spelled GNU/Linux wrong.
  
  I personally love Linux, but it's quite complex and not as user friendly as Windows. It's not a good operating system for people without a lot of experience and knowledge on technology.
  
  Linux has a host of there problems, like checking if your laptops hardware is compatible. Which isn't a thing for Windows.
  Having to chose a distro also sucks. You have to make pro and con lists and shit. With this distro my WAN card might work, but this distro has more of the programs I need on there package manager and this distro has newer packages but fewer....
  This is the point most users quit Linux, before Installation
- Windows 10 has this same screen, just a bit different looking. You turn off this notification in the settings menu.
- Is that even possible? I thought it was randomly forcing the change to Windows 11 on Windows 10 users anyway.
  
  I've been using AtlasOS, which is Windows 10 disemboweled from a bunch of bloat. It runs like a dream, my only criticism is that they've gutted a bunch of (imo) critical safety features, but they give you the option to reinstate them in their setup files. The next update for it will supposedly add them back in by default.
  
  My PC cant run windows 11 outright, which is hilarious since most of the parts are relatively new.

They are desperate because 2/3 of their userbase still uses Windows 10.
Look, i don't mind the CPU/TPM requirement too much now, but did you really needed to mess up the interface? (Plus, forcing you to have Teams always installed.)
- Several things always installed, it's annoying really lol

Laughing from Debian

When it asks for an account just use a@a.a
- or no@thankyou.com
  
  Or if its windows pro, choose for work, then say you will domain join instead of use a Microsoft account. It will let you just make a local account, and you can just not domain join it.
  
  I'm partial to fuck@you.ms

This was since forever in Windows 10

Im going to bat for Microsoft here, coming from someone who uses both for work+home.
How many tech enthusiast/pcgamers are paying customers of Microsoft? I'd bet that most of us are using grey market OEM keys or reusing a license we've had upgraded from a previous install.
Communities like ours love to harpe on about how 95% of people are not bothered by the invasiveness of the telemetry and advertising, yet those are the very same people that are likely subscribing to Office365, not changing their default browser from Edge, and not installing an adblocker.
These are, in a sense, the "paying customer" to whom any profit driven company would be trying to improve experience of. Setting up cloud backup, signing in to your PC with your phone, using an online account are all good things from a general user perspective. I'd bet they have the telemetry to back this up.
I wish MS would release a SKU which was targeted towards the tech enthusiast, but how would they make that profitable? Not to mention I think a lot of us have a few fundamental misunderstandings on the current situation, some examples;
Telemetry is essential to modern software development, people don't submit enough bug reports and nor should they be expected to for things like device drivers.
The store/store apps is a better delivery model for software than going to a website to grab the setup.exe. It enforces standardisation, simplifies the process for devs to push updates and isolates user applications from the underlying operating system.
Even these days you can configure Windows to not include a lot of the stuff people complain about if you're ok with Powershell. At one point in time, being a power user in Windows for both home and work was just about knowing where the GUI buttons are. Now it is about being comfortable in a command line.
I need to purge myself after all that corporate shilling.
- The Univ and College where I work are forcing every students and staff to use Office 365, and the MS authentificator app for 2fa. They pay millions every years to Microsoft for this, plus the thousand of licences for windows, etc.
  Why in the world would you defend that greedy unethtical corporation that now incorporate advertisment directly in windows and keep pushing more and more of their products with every forced update. They make millions only with schools in my provinces.
- How many tech enthusiast
  yet those are the very same people that are likely subscribing to Office365, not changing their default browser from Edge, and not installing an adblocker.
  Really? Those two things do not seem to go together.
- I'd bet that most of us are using grey market OEM keys or reusing a license we've had upgraded from a previous install.
  It's a hard number to figure out, maybe but I personally don't know anyone since Windows 7 reusing licenses. But overall, a good point.
  yet those are the very same people that are likely subscribing to Office365, not changing their default browser from Edge, and not installing an adblocker.
  This is another number hard to figure out. It seems to me most people who do complain about people being okay about it have at least something implemented which is still better then nothing. At least they are aware, most of the people I come across either A) Don't even think about it, aren't aware or B) They are aware and use at least something to reduce it.
  are all good things from a general user perspective.
  Yes, I agree many of these services may be beneficial to general users who don't have anything already. My issue is this is all covered during setup and I went out of my way to disable all the services possible, especially a Microsoft account but it keeps pushing for it...at least add a "Don't remind me again" or something.
  I wish MS would release a SKU which was targeted towards the tech enthusiast
  Yes, that would be ideal and it may be a product sold but from a business stand point I think most would still stick with using scripts etc for removing/disabling. So I could see why not.
- This is a very good perspective for the non power user
- Why do you need telemetry when you can simply do UX studies, which Microsoft can and already does. I've even been part of a few. Microsoft is also moving away from Windows being their flagship product and is focusing more on office services and azure in terms of profit.
  
  You almost had me.
  There is no way in hell Microsoft pays for UX studies and ended up where they are.
- Windows N is the closest I've seen

This feels awfully as a desperate move...
Are M$ numbers dwindling lately or are they just scared there is a rise in Linux users (even non tech savvy) and this is a desperate move to capture more peope?
- I do believe there is a up tick in Linux users these days, probably not enough though. The main downside the the popular use of Windows in business, if they get converted Microsoft would probably really struggle even with their other markets.

I never understood why anyone would pay for office 365 or use something like hello. Like Libreoffice is free and does the same job with less bullshit. And last time I checked windows is not running on any ones phones so why push the leftover failed features?
- To this day there are things that you can only do in Excel for Windows. Not Mac, not web, only Windows excel. If you are a spreadsheet power user, you are stuck with both Office and Windows. If you work in the corporate world, you are stuck with Office and most likely Windows.
  
  Really? I have never ran into anything like that. I worked in the corporate world for 10 years and used open office then libreoffice. My company had office but I hated it.
  
  If you're using Excel so much to the point that certain things can only be done in Excel on Windows, just learn Python.

I find it tedious to have to disable Microsoft crap that is switched on without my knowledge in windows. Get a copy of Autoruns to disable most of that crap at startup.
- Thanks for the recommendation, I'll have a look!

Distrowatch.org

It's time to come back to the light. I'm soon making the switch to Linux for good. I was waiting for gaming to become much more accessible... But I was messing up before because I was downloading the wrong drivers.
I've been learning how to use it by keeping my main machine on win10 while my laptop is on pop os. Using that to test my games and learn.
I've been using it long enough that once I get a good break from life, I'll be going thru the steps to switch my gaming PC over.
- What I'm probably going to do is reinstall windows 11, complete updates, run de-bloater. Then install Ubuntu along side windows (super easy) and disable Ubuntu Telemetry. Use Ubuntu as primary for just about anything, have a win VM if I can use it or worst case Windows still available if I absolutely need it.
  I wanted to try Quebes but my device isn't compatible. Having Win installed, I could use it strictly for gaming too if I wanted.
  
  I wanted to try Quebes but my device isn’t compatible.
  Really? AFAIK the only thing special it requires that a normal OS doesn't is virtualization, and any reasonably-modern x86 CPU should support that just fine. What does your hardware lack?
  
  If you're going to reinstall windows, try installing tiny11: https://github.com/ntdevlabs/tiny11builder.
  I've heard a lot of good things about it, consider this.
  
  Good for you. Keep working at it. I'm not sure what usecase you have for your computer, but I am very sure you'll find a solution or alternative to all your problems.

Note to be less pessimistic about this:
This is exactly how you are supposed to handle system settings being added to, removed or modified. You re-display a limited version of the first-run setup dialogue to the user. It feels familiar, they see it every so often, but you reduce it to the relevant pieces.
You may not like what MS changes, but from a user workflow this is sort-of the best case.
- It would be better if there was a no option and not just a delay.
  
  Yeah but the reason many companies stopped offering that (and we had this problem, too) is that users journalize clicking that like they click "OK" in installers or for cookies.
  And when you have stuff that is important, they're used to never interacting with it mentally.
  Sure here it's just about tracking shit and defaults, but there's good reason to force the user to engage with something that could be an important setting.
- These aren't new or changed system settings though, apart from maybe Windows Hello (which isn't new anyway). Nearly everything on this screen is an attempt to upsell users on Microsoft's subscription products.
  If a user doesn't want to buy those subscription products, and is given no way to properly decline, that it is a user hostile experience.
  
  And having no other option than "remind me in 3 days" is bullshit which should get the product manager who signed off on it sent to prison
- I'm fairly certain it can be turned off in windows notifications settings. "OS Setup Notifications" or something like that

Even if there was the option to skip. I go through the whole setup each time all the way to finishing it. Yet it still comes up again the next time. It's infuriating.
Not sure what I expected from Microsoft though. I got a 365 subscription about two years ago. OneDrive never worked properly. It wouldn't sync, and the so-called "Personal Vault" would reset itself everyday while keeping the contents. Forcing me to go through the setup whenever I used it. The email though, was by far the worst. About a year ago everyone would start receiving an absolutely insane amount of spam/phishing emails. I was getting around sixty a day. I have no idea what Microsoft did to fuck things up so badly though.
- Yeah, I did give them a try at one point primarily for windows login but too many privacy concerns and yes, I agree their products don't work for me either. Especially OneDrive and Edge has always been a pain coming built in.

So that's why my disk space has gone down so much

I got a new Asus laptop and had to set up windows to be able to get into the advanced boot settings and install Kubuntu. I am so glad I did
- You shouldn't need to do the setup. The problem is by default windows hibernates instead of shuts down fully when you pick shut down. So your only real options are crash the computer or hit reboot.
  Some manufacturers are nice and don't block you from getting into the bios when the OS is hibernated, but some suck.

Thank god i use GNU/Linux

This has always, always, always been the case for me since I got a laptop with Windows 11 preinstalled on it. I dual boot Linux (openSUSE) and rarely use Windows, and this screen pops up like 5% of the time when I boot to Windows.

Install. Linux.
Yes.
Yes, install Linux, yes, it's better, yes, it's a little different, but yes, you will like it better.
Bloat ware? Gone. Antivirus shit? Gone. Spyware? Gone. Reboots for bullshit reasons? Gone. Forced updates? Gone.
Yeah, but it's so complicated and games don't work because there are no drivers!
Bullshit. Drivers exist now for just a out everything and most drivers are put of the box, not like windows requiring installs. Most of not all games now work.
But I needy software X!
Many, not all, but MANY software packages out there have open source equivalents that many times are equal or better than what you're using. If not that, Wine will allow you to run a huge amount of windows software transparently on Linux. YMMV of course but "I need software x!" barely has been an excuse anymore for using windows.
Did I mention it's actually free, no piracy involved (though if that is your thing, lots of software available for that too)
Windows sucks. Microsoft software in general sucks. Microsoft platforms suck (looking at you there, outlook, teams, office, and SharePoint, oh my frigging god what pieces of shit you are)
- My 3080 mobile didn't work with anything but arch.
  I love Linux but even I get fed up with it a lot. I do think that 90% of games work now though.
  Everything driver related except my graphics cards have been great.
  Just saying though, Linux isn't a drag and drop replacement, but it's still good
  
  I'll agree that Nvidia really needs to get their shit together, but it DOES work
  
  interesting. I wonder whether that's specific to the mobile hardware. I have a 3080 running just fine on Mint.
- good points but it's not so black and white
  
  Nothing is black and white but in windows vs Linux it's simple: you want to get your computer back for just you? You want to do whatever the hell you need to do? Switch to Linux and be happy
- It's not always so simple. I would love to use Linux at work, but my work doesn't allow me to.
  
  I know, I had the same problem.leep asking them. I'm in the luxury position where I'll be able to decide what we'll be using
- Not gonna claim its eay to use, not gonna claim it's easy to install, not gonna claim its easy to replace existing software wit OSS alternatives.
  But damn, it feels so good.
  
  It is super easy to install it's super easy to use. Finding replacements for software in Oss products may take a little time but I've found everything I need since 20 years ago. Today nearly everything is out there .
- Sure, backup is not something you can skip, but the others: Yes. And the backup option should show other alternatives like Veeam, otherwise they are abusing their position in the market and be banned from EU.
  Yes, they dont respect the user choose either. Thinking it is their computer.
  Shifting to Linux is a solution but not for everyone. Like IT only support Windows computers to minimize cost.
  Me at home: If only I could pay someone to build as smooth fonts on Linux as it is on Windows in the web browser by default. Only when websites use fully custom fonts they look good. But default with new Times roman get unusual small or big without truetype etc. Also many applications in the Linux world have poor UI due to poor funding. Result is no designer and gigantic hit area for button due to too far between the buttons.
  
  I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about but your typical Linux UI tends to look enormously better than windows, beauty being in the eye of the beholder of course.
  The way you talk it sounds like you saw Linux 20 years ago and figured it still is stuck there. I have a 3D multi monitor desktop with all the bling you can imagine. Much of it is just that, bling, and I mostly use it to convince people that Linux is awesome (come for the bling, stay for the actual real awesomeness) bit seriously, typical Linux looks SO much better than windows.. try KDE desktop, for example.
- Will digital combat simulator and my IR head tracking work?
  
  I don't know, but there is a good chance. Try

Remember, there are always alternatives..

That ubuntu-22.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso starting to look lit af 🥵
- May I recommend KDE Neon. Canonical have ruined vanilla Ubuntu with their Snaps agenda.
  Microsoft have Microsoft accounts, Canonical have Snaps...
  
  Or debian stable, for all the reliability of ubuntu without the drama
  
  Thanks for the heads up!

It's been like that for at least a ear.
- Left or right one?
  
  Oh my god, ahaha.
  
  Yes.

Laughing from a PopOS Virtual Machine (I'm getting my AMD GPU soon, I'll switch over fully then I promise!).

if this is just like windows 10, there's a checkbox in the settings app somewhere to disable this permanently

That choice between Remind me in 3 days or Accept shows the compete contempt they have for the user.
Also that idiotic "let's finish setting up your computer", as if Microsoft is your friend helping you out.
Guys you need to stop using this software. Why do you think so many fan boys are yelling about linux all the time? Because it's fantastic these days.

so annoying

I understand some people need to use Windows for a variety of reasons, but I switched to Linux a while back and love it so much
- What Distro? I use Ubuntu and sometimes tails for personal use. This weekend, I think I'm just going to setup a Windows VM instead and maybe try out Quebes if I can get that to work.
  I only NEED it for a couple low resource applications, hell maybe it'll run in wine.
  
  I mostly use OpenSUSE :) Qubes seems really cool

Laughing from Linux. Fedora, PCLinuxOS, OpenSUSE- all of Linux is laughing 😃

When did they change it from 7 days to 3 days? A couple weeks ago it said 7 days
Also, it doesnt happen every 7 or 3 days. In 2 years i got that screen only twice

Is there a way to get Windows 10 Pro on the LTSC update channel yet? IoT Enterprise LTSC gets updates until 2032, after that's over I guess I'll have to switch to 11... in a VM running on Manjaro

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