7d ago

Horst Wessel

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This has certainly never ever happened nowadays.
- Sure would be a pain in the neck if it did
- Well, I don't think they will write such a banger nowadays, probably just some mediocre country.

Better quality version. Right click - open in new tab. From https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1nogt5x/horst_wessel_oc/
- "Now, people, rise up, and let the storm break loose!" - Joseph Goebbels memorializing Horst Wessel, 1932
  "...And the warrior whispers back, I am the storm. Erika is the storm. We are the storm." - Steven Miller memorializing Charlie Kirk, 2025
  Steven Miller looks just like Goebbels too, those dead eyes scare me.
  It's as if God is doing a (history, colorized) meme on us, but the colors are just the black, white, and red of the Nazi swastika.
  
  People love call backs, even nazis.
- Thank you :)

Did Goebbels have the answer to autism though
- No, that was Himmler.
  
  Hey! Mengele helped!
  
  Dark. I like it
- Sort of.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Asperger
  
  Further controversy arose in the late 2010s over allegations that Asperger referred children to the Am Spiegelgrund children's clinic in Vienna during the Nazi period. The clinic was responsible for murdering hundreds of disabled children deemed to be "unworthy of life" as part of the Third Reich's child euthanasia programs (as part of the T4 Programme),
  Wowee

Maybe a cultural compulsion of misremembering and publically honoring the dead unconditionally isnt always good for society.
Yeah, I'll take my bans now.
- Did you read it? It wasn't a "cultural compulsion". It was a deliberate campaign to turn the memory of him into a complete fabrication and a fascist tool.
  
  And why did that propaganda campaign work? What did it operate on?
- This is about propaganda, not culture.
  Why would anyone ban you for that? It's not an unpopular opinion or mean.

Nothing to be learned from here

History doesn't repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes.

Those Kirk supporters would be really angry about this if they could read
- They wouldn’t be able to understand the parallels even if they could read.
  
  they're just like "this time there won't be a 4th panel"

I sometimes wonder if Hitler would have had any success at all if it weren't for Goebbels. The man practically invented propaganda.
- you seem to underestimate the grumpy germans.

Dang! I didn't think of him when this Charlie Kirk thing happened. That is the perfect Nazi Germany equivalent of the current administration.
- There is more than just this equivalent. Sometimes I think we are caged in a repeating machine every 100 years. Enjoy the golden twenties as long as they are.

The incident that got got Horst killed wasn't political. It was actually kinda funny when you look back at it. Horst was a criminal himself and lived a fairly criminal lifestyle (he was a pimp and dealt with a lot of sex workers) and the communist who killed him was also a criminal. The chain of events that led to his murder was that his landlady didn't like him for not paying his rent, among other things, and hired said communist to kick him out because he refused to leave despite not paying rent. He was shot and his killers were... sentenced to 6 years!
Like wow... but they were killed by the SA after the Nazis got to power because the Nazis never had any respect for law and order.
Edit: it was manslaughter. Not murder. That explains the lesser sentence.
- i'd say at times of lots of violent tension between Nazis and antifascists there is always a political aspect to such events. would a criminal Kamerad have agreed to the landlady's proposition? would i as a communist collaborate with the owning class just to bully a Nazi? maybe.
  and pointing out that someone doesn't comply with all laws is irrelevant, both involved could have been in pigeon fancier circles, that wouldn't nullify the political situation and their allegiances.
  Nazis never had any respect for law and order.
  ough, of course the want you to respect their order.
- Wait, are we sympathizing with landlords now who have their tenants killed for non-payment of rent?
  
  No, she was a crook, too.

why was he targeted and killed?
- According to Wikipedia it was because a pub owner was trying to evict him due to non-payment of his room and he wouldn't move out. He was also a SA commander in charge of a several squads.
  Edit guess I was a bit late confirming the wiki article but I will leave it here so people can read the only source I checked.
- I'm no expert on the subject and I wasn't able to find a clear account. Keep in mind a lot of effort went into spinning the story so the real facts might be long gone.
  I've read:
  -It was a dispute over unpaid rent
  -It was political between nazi's and communists
  -Wessel's chick used to prostitute for his killer
  Who knows, it could have been a bunch of things.
  
  Honestly, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. His death wasn't meaningful to the party he held allegiance to because he was important himself, just in how they could spin it so they could accumulate power.
  
  This post made me realize that they portrayed him in the series Babylon Berlin, slyly renamed Horst Kessler.

History doesn't repeat itself. But it often rhymes.

Maybe it's time to rename this ship to commemorate someone who recently passed away...

They've already gotten to his Wikipedia page. His listed home town doesn't actually exist...
- Bielefeld? That's a real place.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy

before i got in touch with a relativationist here (he seems german), i jus' wanted to drop by, remarking that the font is too small and Ali Höhler -- Ehrenmann!

Thank you very much for this important bit of information, especially regarding recent events and developments.

Y'all remember when the U.S. Army bombed Pat Tillman and tried to make him out to be a hero?
Not calling the guy anything close to Weasel but, man, they really tried.

Like how george floyd beat up and robbed women, then became a martyr and it was a cancellation to mention his crimes and that no one wanted him as a neighbor.
- Doesn't sound like he was a good man, but he was nonetheless murdered, in cold blood, by cops, on video.
  Kirk was murdered by a lone gunman, who didn't like his politics, on video.
  Kinda doesn't compare though? Kirk is a case of the government creating a martyr. And the government has far more power than the populace demonstrating, or even rioting.
  Does that make sense? They were both bad men who were murdered in cold blood, on VERY public video. But the Trump admin can put real legs on "their" event, just as with Wessel.
  Anyway, thanks for saying that, not being snarky. Be prepared to be murdered in the comments and likely banned. :(
  
  I dont applaud anyone of them. police were held accountable for killing floyd, and court room justice i always value over comment section mob Justice.
  He just wasnt a saint, he was a bad element in society. Also No one should be killed by police like he was.
  Anyone whos holding women up and robbing and beating them should be on jail or a mandatory recovery center.
  And kirk and floyd only have one thing in common....their killings were on video. Like kennedy...it just ups the attention and pain.
  Like ray rice, he got suspended for 2 games for beating his wife. Then the video came out and people and were furious, it got upped and he got in more trouble....because it was on film.
  On general we need less propaganda and more realism.
  Ty fpr the civil back and forth.
- I guess on the bright side, shitty takes like this are an indication that Lemmy is growing.
  
  Edgelords and furries are foundation species.
- Is your trolling always this obvious?
  
  Civil discussion above. Hes a piece for you , he broke into a womans apartment in 2007 and held her hostage while robbong her.
  Just tell me your ok w that happening to your mom and ill reconsider him being a hero vs a recidivist criminal who was wrongly killed.
- Hey if not wanting someone as a neighbor deserved the death penalty, people like you would be on death row.
  Also, tell the truth now, how badly do you wish you could have used the n-word in your comment about George Floyd?
- You got your downvotes, happy?

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