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48 in poverty seems low
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85 being illiterate seems high
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I have some really bad news for you about the literacy rate in the U.S.
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21% is pretty fuckin high
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It's unsurprising if you understand how horrible & scientifically uninformed popular reading pedagogy was until a few years ago. It probably explains the overreliance of meetings at work where written communication should suffice.
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It sadly isn't.
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Yeah we fucked up.
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Literacy is pretty strict, for a good reason. You can still be able to read street signs and "See Spot Run" and be considered illiterate.
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One in 400 people is shot every day? Yeah I’m gonna call BS on this one.
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Maybe it's just one guy getting shot so often it's not even newsworthy anymore.
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Gunshot Gary keeps shooting himself in the leg to build up an immunity.
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Brett from Archer?
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The room is located in a school
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If I did the math right, for one person to be shot per day, we're starting with a population of 10,440,000, not 400.
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I don't think it was trying to be factual, but more trying to make a point.
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It’s not 3 times lower than that. It’s about 1 in a million, not 1 in 400. That’s 3 orders of magnitude less than the post claims. This is so hilariously wrong it undermines the credibility of the post.
Which is sad because all these points are really important things to draw attention to.
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Unfortunately since it's relying on numbers to make it's point it would hit a lot harder if it was factual....
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The point being that math is hard, and doesn't care about feelings?
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I wanted to look up the statistics for myself and see what the numbers are, given a room size scaled around 1 person dying from firearm related injury. I chose people dying from firearm injuries because I had a hard time finding a statistic for all people who were shot. If you are aware of better sources for my numbers (or a math error on my part), please let me know. I primarily used sources from the US government, but I recognize that those sources might not be completely transparent right now. Also, I don't mean for this to undermine the intention of the author here. Every issue mentioned is absolutely a problem in america, regardless of arbitrary comparisons. Also also, transgender people are valid and deserve rights regardless of how many people are shot per year.
Say you're in a room with 2,584,401 people. 206,752 don't have insurance. 273,947 live in poverty. 542,724 are illiterate. 596,996 suffer from mental illness. And every day at least 1 person dies from firearm related injury. But 21,192 are trans so you decided ruining their lives is a priority.
The population of the US was 341,140,964 on 12/31/24.
92% had health insurance in 2024.
10.6% lived in poverty in 2024.
79% were literate in 2013. (Hopefully there is a more recent source for this somewhere)
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I appreciate the effort to improve the methodology. But the numbers feel too big to be grasped easily, compared to the original.
Maybe the time frame can be changed? If we bump it to "1 person will be shot to death this year" it would make it a room full of 7080 people and 58 are trans
Edit: full data set rescaled
7080 - total
566 - no insurance
750 - poverty
1487 - illiterate
1635 - mentally ill
1 - gun death per year
58 - trans
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Gotta measure stuff in hamburgers and school buses - 1972 model
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I agree, that is absolutely a better representation of the data
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Thanks, I was stuck 330M americans.. so almost a million get shot ever day (per the original).... that can't be right
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Fine but nobody would care. Alt right enjoyers are way too deeo into "religious" amok to even get touch with reality again, not to mention trying to talk to them with statistics. they just don't care.
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I appreciate you providing sources, genuinely, though I will point out the way the US officially measures poverty is laughable bullshit.
Yep, thats right, you live alone, and make or otherwise recieve more than $15.6k a year?
Not in poverty.
Also, the average paid rent in the US is ~1350 a month.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-rent-by-state
So... 1350 x 12 = 16,200, meaning a person below that is probably just literally homeless or nearly totally reliant on family or friends or the state for housing and food, as they have literally less than 0 money for food, on average, without some kind of assistance.
I would argue the actual US poverty line needs to be drawn at between where 200% and 300% of the current poverty line is.
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Huh. So 45,625 killed by guns each year, about 1/10th of 1% but since people live longer than a year, I wonder what the lifetime risk is? Surely nowhere near risk of being killed by a car but probably much higher than the 1/10th of 1%.
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How do you meassure untreated mental illness? Otherwise i like this reframimg a lot.
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Is this really important? Feels like it's missing the point. When communicating information compromises between factuality and bandwidth must be made. OOP gets the point across and has emotional impact. Even I didnt read half what you write. Nobody ever checks sources.
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In a population of 400 people, 1 person is shot every day? So, by the end of one year, the population is down to 35 people?
If we extrapolate to the US population, we end up with 900,000 people murdered per day, or about 330 million people per year. That doesn't seem quite right.
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One person is shot, not one person is killed via shooting.
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The actual statistic is more like one person out of the 400 getting shot every seven years.
Which is still pretty sobering.
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The math is not the point here...
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Are you sure? Based on their argument, I'd say "Mathematical Literacy" is the only priority we should have right now.
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It kind of is. The point of the analogy is to make the big numbers easier to grasp. If it's just wrong, then are the other numbers even close?
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That bit is a baldfaced lie. We OK with that?
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The math is a pretty big point, seeing how the post focuses on how few trans people there are compared to the other mentioned groups (the figure for "people shot" is only 1 - but the post claims it happens every day)
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Don't worry, the fascists will be going after those with mental health issues next.
It's already starting.
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In other news, the Kirk Memorial was basically a Nuremberg rally.
Wheee yaah... this is not looking good.
EDIT:
I would describe this youtuber as an actual, genuine centrist, not a crypto nazi, got a lot of sensible ideas and some ignorant ones... I use him as a barometer for basically non brain poisoned normies who have a college degree and a functioning brain, but also come from a blue collar area and are ... more culturally traditional.
Basically, a guy who is kinda problematic if you do a deep dive, but you could probably have a beer with and be reasonably good to ok friends with.
And he is in horror, reviewing Miller's speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KSYjqB_Q-8
The... original intent of his channel was a travel channel, showing people how US life compares to working and living overseas.
EDIT 2:
Large Man here missed this, but I will point out that Miller saying 'We are the storm' is an obvious Q Anon reference.
Like I said, he's not internet brain poisoned enough to know.
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The room has a >91.25% annual shooting rate?
I don't want to brag, but I've been living in the United States for 25 years and I haven't been shot once. If the room resets annually, my odds to this point were 3.55x10^-27. Am I the last American?
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"And the pedantic mathmeticians shall inherit the earth."
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😁
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For every dead person a new one is born
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It's called scapgoating.
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tbf, trans people are gross. Round them up and shoot them all for daring to live their life how they see fit, without harming anyone else. How dare they??
source: I'm a trans person.
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meanwhile, dumpy mcshitpants is harming millions, even perhaps billions, on his micropenis hard on for fascism.
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it's not really about trans being bad moreso that they feel tremendous shame for being the largest consumers of trans porn. A lot of the men on the right are closeted as hell.
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Err, that's a nice little quip but that bit about shooting isn't even remotely close to reality.
Example: There's about 80,000 - 100,000 gun related injuries in the USA per year. That's about 250 people getting shot each day. However, we are working against a population of ~330,000,000 in the USA. If you take the 100,000 / 333,000,000 = 0.0003. That's 0.0003 per year per person. So the chance of a person getting shot in a year in the USA is about 1 in 3,330.
To look at this in another way, the fellow said there's a group of 400 people and 1 is shot each day. That means in 1 year, nearly everyone in the room would have been shot, and in 2 years some people would be shot twice.
Look, the USA is pretty disgusting with some issues, but if you want to throw numbers around, at least make them accurate, otherwise it undermines the whole argument.
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Ackshully
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You don't think it's important to know the ACTUAL numbers when discussing issues?
If I said 50 million people were eaten by sharks each year and tried to convince my local town to ban swimming, don't you think it's important I get the number right?
The numbers presented in the original quote were basically off by 1000x. We're not talking nit-picking here. It's off by orders of magnitude.
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Not diagnosed, diagnosed, or self reported as mentally ill? Seems low.
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Yeah, these numbers are all kinds of fucky
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sounds like battle royale from hell
rn = 2.5 years ago.
It's become even worse.
"3 trans?"