FBI to Categorize Trans People As "Nihilistic Violent Extremist" Threat Group, Report Says
FBI to Categorize Trans People As "Nihilistic Violent Extremist" Threat Group, Report Says
Feels like the first step before the concentration camps
The Bureau defines “Nihilistic Violent Extremism” as “criminal conduct… in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos.”
What the actual fuck? This is pure bigoted Nazi shit.
I wonder if they ran that language through AI before putting it in writing?
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The provided definition of "Nihilistic Violent Extremism" is indeed written in a way that could be interpreted broadly and applied subjectively. This is a characteristic that has been used historically for political and social control.
This type of broad, subjective language in legal and official definitions is a common feature of authoritarian or repressive systems. It allows the ruling power to define its enemies based on fluid criteria and to legally justify their persecution.
The Nazis exploited this by using vague laws like Paragraph 175 to persecute homosexuals. The law wasn’t designed for this, but its vague wording allowed for expanded interpretation to fit the regime’s agenda.
This is incorrect. Paragraph 175 was always designed to prosecute gay sex, and was enforced even during the Weimar Republic. What the Nazis did was expand it - you didn’t have to have sex with a man, just do something that might lead to sex with a man. Essentially, gay men could have gotten away with holding hands or even kissing in earlier eras, sex needed to be proven. But the Nazis made it essentially any gay behavior.
Paragraph 175 continued to be enforced after the Nazis were kicked out - it stayed on the books in West Germany essentially unchanged until 1969. After ‘69 it was changed to only apply to sex with men under 21 or prostitution.
Gay men who were liberated from the camps who had charges under Paragraph 175 were often sent back to finish their sentences. The handbook for the Allies mandated this.
My guess is that it might be a legitimate designation that just needs work on. Note: Trans people and Trans Advocacy should not be considered or placed under such a list of terrorist orgs. When online misanthropic extremist groups(usually neonazi), like "No Lives Matter", Order of Nine Angles(as in geometry angles not angels), and "764" exist, I feel like a new designation should exist.
Snowflake shit
So they defined themselves?
“Disharmonious”
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Juden einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte
In order to understand the meaning of that poem, you have to understand class solidarity and that's something that neither Republicans nor Democrats have any comprehension of
-Martin Niemöller
First they came for Trans People,
And I spoke out because I knew the rest of the fucking poem,
Then I was forced to watch as people did nothing to stop it.
Why are sozialdemokraten translated as trade unionist?
You wanna know what creates extremists? Bullshit like this. It's self-fulfilling prophecy.
That's what they want.
Agreed. I don't see many other ways out anyways.
well, they’re gonna get it. unorganized violence is a psychological response to being tortured and lined up for genocide. some of us thrash in our cage when we have no control, no other options left. oh well, too bad. we don’t want violence? don’t make it inevitable.
Israel didn't come up with it themselves.
They want some folks to act up so they can justify tightening the clamps on everyone.
Congratulations, you just figured it out
What. The. Fuck.
They've been telegraphing this punch since Trump's first term. Disgusting, but hardly surprising.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
This is so fucking unbelievably fucked.
We should be fucking rioting and burning shit down.
Trans people do not have the privilege to do those things right now. It will only further the hateful rhetoric. It is up to the supposed "allies" to step up.
It remains a coordination problem. Needs to be CIA-proofed.
The group defines “TIVE” as “the belief that violence is justified against people who oppose the trans community],” as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety, including through self-harm or suicide.”
What an insane redefinition of “self defense.” Violence isn’t justified…unless you are being targeted, harmed, or killed, which many trans or NB people are. It’s absurd to preemptively label self defense as “violence.” It’s cart-before-horse, intentional PR spin to dehumanize a subset of human people. One species, all human.
The administration will need scapegoats when its policies fail. They’ve laid this ground work for years now. They want justification for violence through violence themselves in this mental gymnastics.
It’s the Heritage Foundation, which might as well be called “Propaganda Hut.” Let me guess: more divisive, American-dividing ideas? Yes, Heritage, let’s keep pushing tribal behavior to encourage class war while the rich destroy the planet and their fellow humans.
as well as the belief that opposing trans rights “itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify as [trans or gender nonconforming]... or poses an imminent threat to such persons’ emotional, psychological, or physical safety
Just imagine for a moment that one were to replace "trans" with literally any other grouping of humanity and think how insane it would sound.
"I'm not a bigot, I'm just opposed to black rights!"
"I'm not an anti-semite, I'm just opposed to Jewish rights!"
"I'm not committing a genocide, I'm just opposed to human rights!"
Christ, the veneer of legitimacy is molecule-thin at this point.
Nazis went after trans people, burned trans related books.
Nazis are going after trans people, burning trans related books.
The destruction of the institute of sexual sciences is in fact one of the earliest crimes the Nazi party committed after taking power.
It's one of my favorite pieces of trivia to bust out when chuds try to pretend that being transgender is a "the last 20 years" modern creation. No, your fascist ilk just kept destroying the records of it existing prior, but we know better now.
Maybe we'll save the ENTIRE Bauhaus this time...
Because every trans person I’ve ever met isn’t just trying to make it through the day like the rest of us and are causing all kinds of violence and social unrest.
These chucklefucks sure like their boogeymen to rile people up.
Maybe they should look into these gravy seals/meal team 6 folks with their tacticool gear larping as military badasses if they wanna find actual problem groups.
They are getting all Kirk’d up. This will create so many more Luigi’s. Things are going to get violent quick. They actually want a civil war don’t they, so they can use any petty justification to kill any opposition. No one is safe except the boot lickers.
Apparently not, as Kirk was one of the biggest bootlickers.
They absolutely want a war of some kind, and fast. Trump definitely wants an excuse to "postpone" the midterms
Jesus fucking Christ! If someone should be regarded at terrorists, it's the current administration. Stay safe, my friends.
The Heritage Foundation is once again pushing a hateful act designed to hurt a large number of innocent people. It's basically their MO.
A little off subject but PBS just allowed some Heritage Foundation hack to come on and lie, right after they allowed some Israel partisan to come on and lie to justify their final solution, right after one of their own correspondence endorsed Israel's lie about Hamas operating out of hospitals. PBS was never that bad before.
I wonder what happened to PBS all of a sudden that caused them to give up?
But I couldn’t vote for Harris because she didn’t spend enough time talking about her policies.
You in the same Harris that refused to give them a platform at the convention while she had time for Republicans cops and zionists on the convention stage? The same one that said that we need to follow the laws of the land which include the 500 anti-trans laws put into place by Republicans? The ones that don't care that the trans homeless population is growing as long as they can use their preferred restroom? Democrats use marginalized communities as political footballs as much as Republicans do.
Democrats use marginalized communities as political footballs as much as Republicans do.
He says, as one of those parties gears up towards concentration camps, using language identical to the Nazi party.
Fuck off with your disingenuous whataboutisms. Equating the Democrats admittably unethical actions to the Rupublicans building towards literal fucking genocide is dishonest, dangerous, and ignorant.
Fucking .ml.
How’s Trump working out for you?
As a self identifying long-time staunch nihilist...
... What?
They are copying their critics that have taken to accusing the polit and biz owner class and them specifically of believing in nothing. Morality means nothing, only self interest. Entire generations of "leaders," that have no morals, no line they would not cross for self interest.
So naturally they accuse others of it.
I know man, nihilism gets such a bad rap
Hows it feel to suddenly start calling yourself trans out of spite? Cuz I am.
I don't think that's the way. The way is for allies to organize in large numbers to defend trans people.
This is just so obvious, isn't it?
The only people who support this or think it's normal, are people at the bottom of the bell curve. The extremely unintelligent, uneducated, deeply indoctrinated.
You've got to be borderline mentally handicapped to not see this as nonsense.
Let's not do that. This is a question of moral character, not disability.
I’m a terrorist. I’m a leftist, anti-fascist, and I think trans people should have civil rights and be undisturbed.
Actually that might make me a double terrorist.
I used to joke that my views could be deemed terroristic, didn't expect to see it be a real thing, thank fuck I have zero interest in stepping foot in America.
Actually that might make me a double terrorist.
A double negative is a positive!
Weird, all I've ever heard about is how high the suicide rate is among trans people, nothing about murder rate.
Also weird to consider "trans rights are human rights" to be nihilistic (Political belief or action that advocates or commits violence or terrorism without discernible constructive goals)
Edit: I meant as in trans people murdering other people. Trans people are overwhelmingly victims of violence than perpetrators
He's nearly finished colouring in his how to be a fascist dictator book.
He would have done so earlier if they could stop him eating the crayons.
No-voters, you contributed to this.
We need candidates that represent the interests of the working class if we want more people to be enthusiastic about voting.
Blame everyone voting for 'lesser-evil' / establishment candidates for why there's so much apathy among non-voters.
You caused this shouting down calls for leaders that could win.
Now getting shitty with everyone for not supporting doomed to fail strategy of worthless at best corporate tools, that lead all of their sheep, (that is you!) to blame voters which somehow means they get to keep their jobs in the party machine.
We needed a new deal, we knew running as the status quo against reform could not win, yet did it, because preventing reform is the raison de etre of ypur hack dem polits and establishment.
Gtfo with you blaming voters for yet another shit show. You will fail us again if you are not stopped.
Trans folks should consider getting the fuck out of this shithole country before it's too late
Trans, people with disabilities, minorities, and homeless people are the first ones that will be executed. Then they'll move on to other groups.
Most countries are refusing to accept us for asylum, because they don’t want to piss off the U.S. idk if there’s been a single person who’s managed an asylum claim.
If you do know of a civilized country/school that wants a physics/calculus teacher, and would be willing to pay for relocation and help with the visa, do tell.
Rekease the epstein files you lying fascist bastards
What would the release change with the current situation?
One thing that would change is Trumps ability to deny that he was part of it. In 2005, Epstein came under investigation after the parents of a 14 year old girl made a complaint against him. The investigation uncovered multiple victims, and it was recommended by the police.
In 2006, the state grand jury only indicted Epstein on one single count of solicitation, and it doesnt even specify that the girl was under 18. Palm Beach police chief went public because it was bullshit. They had found evidence of four felony charges including unlawful sexual activity with a minor. Lewd and lascivious molestation and sexual assault. The FBI came in at this point and did its own investigation.
In 2007, the FBI finds evidence of wider criminal activity involving the trafficking of minors. Finding dozens of victims. At this point his lawyers, Alan Dershowitz and later Kenneth Starr, negotiate a plea deal with Alex Acosta. This deal promised that Epstein would not face federal charges if he pleaded guilty to reduced state charges. The agreement was then kept a secret.
In 2008 he plead guilty to Solicitation, and solicitation of a minor. He was sentenced to 18 months, but served only 13. And worse, he allowed work release, meaning he was out for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week for those 13 months.
Now, this is bit thats important. The plea deal is "the list". Because what Epstein got wasnt just immunity for himself, it was also for his co conspirators. That means that the FBI investigation found out who he was working with/for. And Trumps name, will be in there. This is the same deal that Maxwell was talking about last month or the month before when she was looking to get released.
The FBI case found dozens of victims, all under age. Which could have got him a life sentence if Federal prison. But for some reason, he only got 13 months. The victims were never told of the deal, which violated the CVRA(Crime Victims Rights Act) that REQUIRES prosecutors to inform victims of plea deals.
The wording of the plea deal regarding co conspirators was left vague, with the word "potential" doing a lot of the heavy lifting to get around naming them. However, we know at least some of those names include Maxwell, Sarah Kellen(Kensington), Nadia Marcinkova, Lesley Groff, and Adrian Ross. Jean-Luc Brunel was accused, but never charged. He killed himself in France in 2022 while awaiting trial... The statute of limitations also appears to have played a part in shielding other associates. But the point is, the FBI did the work. What they found is still written down somewhere. They know who is who. And its interesting that a lot of people connected to Epstein, are now working for or had worked for Trump during his first and second terms. Alex Acosta and Howard Lutnick for example...
The files, of which there must be many, will detail Trumps involvement. And then we cant finally get rid of the cunt. But more than that, we can start to go after all the others in power wherever they may be and whoever they may be.
any trans people in the US that haven't already applied for asylum elsewhere should be doing so now. Hopefully it's not too late
That sounds prohibitively expensive.
Also, I don't know what country isn't having at least a little bit of a fascist problem right now.
Anyway, last time I looked, most countries were very picky about letting folks in. Not a lot of space for disabilities.
Most of us have ptsd at least, after surviving childhood or coming out, or both.
Unfortunately, Matt Drudge, of all people, projected this months ago that this was going to happen and spoke out against it.
How do you designate an entire demographic as terrorists? This is the lowest form of stupidity.
It's not stupidity, it's malice.
It's not malice, it's fascism
They still don’t get it, and that’s why they continue to get steamrolled.
The Trump administration is preparing to designate transgender people as “violent extremists” in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s murder, two national security officials tell me.
So not from a report, but from "sources"...
I tell ya, I feel really bad for trans people. They are either being scared of actual nutjobs, or grifters are making shit up for worthless internet points, that just as scary. Everywhere you look, people are using trans people as some chip to play in the on going culture wars. Maybe its time to move on and leave Trans people out of it, and stop using them for point scoring and uparrow farming...
As long as being left out of it involves full human rights protections.
It would be cool if everyone stepped up while this was still in the petitioning phase.
"Land of the free"
Land of the greed
First time I ever see violent and trans in the same sentene. Never heard of a single violent trans person. If this is true, this FBI is flushing its own credibility. My go-to person on the topic of LGBQT is RuPaul so I'll need his comments.
All trans people in some sort of coordinated trans army?? FFS. Please. I’m not saying the fascist united snakes won’t persecute trans people (they are and will) but this is some epic bullshit. Level ten on the Richter scale bullshit.
Are Juggalos still considered a gang? These lists are just wish lists for targeting people they find taboo.
Being designated a gang is very different from being designated a terrorist or nve
It's not even about who they find to be taboo. Remember George Santos? They loved him, just like Thiel, Yarvin. It's who they can rile up those who are suspicious, hateful, and afraid of people who aren't just like themselves.
Nihilist ideological extremist violence... uh
Can someone please send the dictionary on audiobook to these morons?
Oh no, not nihilists!
Left wing terrorism
This shit right here ^ is all MAGA has. Any criticism of their hate and killing, this is what they say. It’s like a knee-jerk “Heil Hitler” response.
Ave caesar
Trans rights are human rights. The fascists can get fukt