You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don't stop until everyone complies.
You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don't stop until everyone complies.


You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don't stop until everyone complies.
Yeah let's fucking infight constantly. Maybe that will stop fascism!
Is it really 'infighting' if they've declared their intention to not oppose fascism in the future?
I want to consider those opposed to Republicans as on the same side. Since if we aren't, we're probably fucked permanently.
"Opposing" implies that you're actually doing something.
In physics, "work" is defined as movement over time. If you spend fifty years pushing a wall and the wall hasn't moved, you can't say you've done anything.
"You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don't stop ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶i̶e̶s̶."
FTFY.
Fascism requires an "other" to exist. When all the current "others" have been killed, they must invent a new one or perish.
The goalposts are ever shifting, and the in-group forever shrinking.
Its autocannibalism.
They also simultaneously pump the ingroup into the military meatgrinder apparatus. Fascism is how the elite attempt to achieve god status at the expense of all others. Its the antithesis of Western enlightenment values. The antithesis of egalitarian, humanist values that have existed at different times in different cultures worldwide. The accelerator of our extinction.
Autocannibalism. Well said.
thats why the current enemies, are trans people, anti-fa democrats. once trans becomes used up, it will be someone else, probably Jewish people eventually.
I think of it as a death cult tbh
Not really, when the Nazis took control they removed all opposition. Same with the USSR and the CCP. Technically North Korea holds "elections" lmfao but there sure isn't any competition to the dictatorship/monarchy.
When the German opposition was mostly dealt with, they came for LGBT+, disabled, Jews and Roma. They never stopped until they were occupied by foreign forces.
Canada awkwardly trying not to be noticed doing exactly this in the corner.
The funny thing about fascists is that actually you have to round them all up and have them shot, cause otherwise they’ll do it to you! Kinda gotta “get them before they get me” vibes. But let’s keep playing pretend that we will have midterm elections next YEAR for fuck sake you think we will survive another YEAR after the point we are at?!?!?
also the midterm election is when some of the BBB comes to effect in order to poison the election. the senate will be largely unaffafected by the elections, which is where the problem lies in the first place.
"come on, it'll be easier if we work together, just slide a bit of the profit my way and ill help lull them into a false sense of security"
"How much profit?"
"1%"
"Lol, no"
"Ok, the scraps from the table then..."
"... "
"Ok, the scraps from the table that are knocked on to the floor?"
"You've got a deal, partner. I knew we could sort this out fairly."
Also leftists.
...or I won't vote.
Also:
Not this one...
Not this one...
THAT'S not a vote I'll be making again though.
Apparently, yes this one.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
MLK Jr once said it wasn't the KKK holding progress back, but the white moderate. In this day and age, moderate democrats/center are the absolute definition of what MLK was warning us about.
MLK Jr. is speaking about people who claim to be allies but insist on doing nothing and rebuking the Civil Rights movement at every turn.
MLK Jr doesn't exactly have his finger on the pulse of modern politics but I'm sure he'd slap anyone who decided to not vote or vote for Trump in the last election.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn't move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I'm prepared to be shown I'm wrong.
Yeah, in the key swing states, Harris actually received more votes in 2024 then Biden did in 2020. What happened wasn't people choosing to vote third party or abstain because "both parties bad". It was that Trump was exceedingly successful at convincing otherwise non-voters to vote for him. As terrifying as that is to think of.
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
Maybe the Democrats should have stopped running such terrible centrist candidates in pursuit of Republican voters. Idk why tou are blaming leftists instead of the millions of disillusioned voters who see both oarties as nothing more than tools for the billionaires.
Both sidesing this is the laziest of arguments.
The democrats should have been able to run a half empty can of rotten crab juice against Trump and win.
Instead I'm here questioning the average intelligence of voting age Americans and wondering how long the education system has been failing us.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they're both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
Yeah.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn't any fire yet because they haven't been bothered to make it.
So you're going to promote and support the DNC to remove the fascists in the midterms?
If that's what the DNC seems like they are trying to do, sure. I voted for Kamala in 2024 too, though that was NOT a campaign run by someone trying to remove the fascists, that was one run by someone trying to get their votes.
THAT'S not a vote I'll be making again though.
If you mean unconditionally support the DNC no matter how clearly they work against the values they claim to stand for - nah, I got decades of that already.
Look there are two possible outcomes, remove the GOP by using the DNC or get an ever increasing GOP majority.
If you're supporting the GOP even indirectly then you're not a leftist because left is progress and you're effectively a conservative.
No no, we're going to play fortnight
I'm trying to understand this meme, does it refer to classical liberals? Or is it just a euphemism for the US democrat supporters?
I'm not from the US so might be missing nuance.
Depends on the context of the OP/meme/audience.
If they are NOT a fascist then "Liberals" means the neoliberal, DNC, "white moderate" types who arguably run as counterintelligence against the left, and help the right "sow the seeds of fascism".
If they're a fascist "Liberals" refers to EVERYONE left of fascism, as it is used interchangeably with communist, marxist, woke; whatever they don't like.
Given the sub, this is the first one.
Applies to Sweden as well. The liberal party went from proudly stating the far-right saw them as the enemy to adopting the far-right policies, implementing them, and calling it liberalism. That is stuff like prison for children, deportation for victims of crime, and still supporting and collaborating with them after it was -- to very little surprise -- discovered that one of their higher ups have a personal relationship to and is working with a very well known neonazi.
TBH I always automatically assume Liberal means the definition of the word, an advocate of human rights and equality, unless the message includes a citation to a specific party or nation with a specific liberal party.
So when people are against liberals they're actually against human rights, usually they are tankies.
There are so many meanings deployed by different groups and in different places it's hard to understand who is the target of the term anymore.
That'll teach me for deleting the reverse of this because I thought it was divisive and didn't need to be posted.
Ah, here we are:
Okay I disagree with the content, but good meme.
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Isn’t this meme making fun of the enlightened centre? Is that even a thing anymore? I’m a 90s kid and I thought I am a liberal. But it looks like liberals are fascists themselves now.
Not to mention that outside the US many words have a completely different (most the time more accurate) meaning. I am genuinely confused.
The overton window is completely out of the boathouse and somewhere on the bottom of the lake. We have no solid ideological framework in the US anymore, it's all entirely branches of capital trying to jockey for the most reward.
It's complicated. Basically, the farthest left we have in the US are the social liberals, which is left of center on social issues (gay marriage, trans rights, feminism) but still not very left economically (at best you get milquetoast support of unions, but they still take bribes from the corporations and legislate in their favor).
SocLibs are the enlightened center, but also as far left as we go politically.
Overturning Citizens United and increasing the effective corporate tax rate has been a core DNC stance for over a decade and a half, so I disagree that they're not left economically.
I know I'm liberal, I support human rights and equality.
Yeah the term "liberal" has become a bit of a pejorative term, at least on Lemmy. The people it's used to describe are liberal on the surface, but are still pawns to the capitalist machine, same as the right/conservatives/MAGA/alt-right.
The word liberal at its heart literally means someone who supports market liberalism or laissez-faire economics. In the US the word liberal is used as shorthand for a neoliberal, which is someone who supports free market fundamentals while understanding that some form of social safety nets are necessary (but also optional). The common US liberal might say we need to care about the marginalized, but ultimately seems themselves as above being marginalized. Conservatives are the old school liberals who think social safety nets are never necessary or optional. So yeah a liberal in the context of today's social-economic-political landscape isn't much different than a conservative.
Apparently there's only one way to stop them.
That tree does look like it's in need of fertilization.
This is actually really good. Amazing how much people could learn from reading fantasy and sci-fi. Shout out to Babylon 5. Never too late to watch that show folks.
Really recommend the books Controlling People by Patricia Evans and The Verbally Abusive Relationship (same author). It explains fascism at a personal level so well.
Basically, they get a sense of fulfillment when they project and violate boundaries. The control is just them violating boundaries. They will keep amplifying and they will never stop because the fulfillment feeling is so good to them when they project and violate/control and they believe they are entitled to it. The ultimate amplification and control being death, of course.
Normal people show love by respecting boundaries as a celebration of who that person is. You don't like peanuts? Ok, no peanuts, you are a peanut hater and I know, love, and respect that about you. Whereas a controlling person will hear a boundary like that and it bothers them as a separation between them and their projection, so they will do things like sneak peanuts into food or force someone to try different peanut foods. This is often seen as a power struggle, but it is really just a way for the controlling person to feel satisfied over and over again.
Wow, where was this post and this book when I first met my mother in law?
(no worries, problem solved, we don't speak and it's a minor miracle my partner turned out a good person).
This is a gross oversimplification of personal relationships because every person projects, the difference is whether you replay a socially accepted role or not and this changes like any fashion.
Also i don't know about authors playing scientist and using terms like "spirit". Popular spiritual " science" self-help books will NOT make your life easier. An actual education will, because it makes sure you are not exposed to predatory behaiviour all the time. There's only so much willpower to face power play, no amount of reasoning with the rain keeps you dry.
I never said the issue was projection in isolation.
Socially accepted - no. It's about if the person responds with control and boundary violations.
I don't really care if you like how she writes, her book was written in the early 90s back when marital rape was still legal and she had to explain in simple terms very complex topics to a lot of people needing help. Her books are absolutely amazing in how they convey these relationships and hold up to scrutiny by professionals (they are almost always one of the books on your therapist's shelf, because they were and are so foundational in conveying these dynamics and therapists tend to loan them out).
It's good to read and be openminded.
It isn't about making my life easier. It is about identifying and understanding dynamics that I don't want to be part of. Not all "self help" books are created equal FYI, and I wouldn't call these self help anyway.
This book is educational.
It's not about "facing power plays" and honestly not only does your last sentence not make sense to me, but your last paragraph in context is strange and I think I am missing your meaning.
It's true that appeasement with authoritarians doesn't work. But Fascists aren't the only authoritarians around, the same goes for theocrats, but also leftists. A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
Ok, I'll agree in principle!
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