'I'm afraid of leaving the house' - what it's like to live undocumented in Trump's America
'I'm afraid of leaving the house' - what it's like to live undocumented in Trump's America
In most countries you won't be able to function at all without documents.
The exact chilling effect that they want. Next they'll do it to trans people.
They are deliberately trying to force Charlie Kirk’s assassination to be a trans related thing. The current narrative is that the “roommate” who wasn’t his roommate and isn’t trans, was his trans lover and thus he was angry about anti-trans rhetoric.
They’re going to find some excuse.
The senate also used it as a distraction to vote down investigating or releasing anything Epstein related.
Ok. I'm not from the US and thought this was obvious. Is anyone in favor of undocumented or illegal immigrants? I thought the actual problem was deportations with no trials. It seems obvious no one should support illegal immigration. I think instead you should support allowing more people to inmigrate
I'll take the bait.
No, illegal not so much - but the system is fucking broken and it leaves a lot of situations ambiguous. Also the current regime is racial profiling so it doesn't even matter if you're a citizen.
I can simultaneously support a better immigration process and system - and also say that illegality is illegality - BUT ALSO say that people should be treated like people and given the circumstances be afforded certain rights and procedures that are civil.
But we're getting none of that and we need billionaires and corporations and current leadership to fear us.
There is no bait. 100% agree
Spot on
The problem is that system changes arbitrarily from one administration to the next, and people who thought they were protected suddenly find themselves unprotected, and then some clown comes along, and just starts throwing out people who thought they were safe for YEARS.
Even Ronald Reagan was able to come up with a fairly reasonable program to deal with the issue at the time, but the current MAGA Nazis literally take pleasure in oppressing people, and undocumented people are easy, low hanging fruit.
While you're right, there's still a big difference from legal immigrants who were granted temporary residence and illegal immigrants. The former were allowed into the country for a limited duration of time, but the latter weren't allowed in the first place.
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It ia more nuanced than that. What makes immigration "illegal" is incredibly arbitrary and inconsistent as a matter of both practice AND law in the USA. Moreover, there are many who believe, as I do, that people have a right to try making a home wherever they are. Where immigration is a problem, it isn't an immigration problem but rather a collapse of existing broken aspects of the society--the immigration pressure just brings these failings to light.
Yes actually, i dont really give a crap who comes to our country as long as they aren't violent (which is a moot point since most violent crime is perpetrated by citizens of said country). In the U.S. it's extra ironic we dont want immigrants since we literally showed up here as immigrants and took the land from the Native Americans. We are all descendents of immigrants in this country.
Now, obviously, I cant get what I want, so I'd settle for reasonable immigration laws. But last time I checked getting citizenship in the U.S. can take as long as 20 years. In this administration, im sure its even harder to get citizenship if you aren't a rich white racist fuckhead.
I'm in favor of fuck all borders.
Apparently that "innocent until proven guilty" was also a lie.
I need to stop reading. The fascists can't allow rights that they can't even read. The Constitution should have been written below a 6th grade level...
Yeah. They have 14 million undocumented immigrants currently. Like 4% of the population. A country like USA can sort of cope with that because they don't have a heavy social security system like we tend to in Europe, but 4% is still quite a lot.
The white power dickheads in power will be determined to make sure only those who can have citizenship are either white and Christian, or have enormous amounts of money.
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Undocumented means illegal. It really rustles my jimmies when people complain about sneaking in when my family had to struggle so much to immigrate legally.
It really rustles my jimmies
Why ? Who gives a shit, they are people.
Should people born there have their "jimmies rustled" because immgrants we're allowed in at all ?
The fuck is worng with you ?
"Got mine, fuck you" mentality.
Because it's not fair for people who don't have a border with the US, like Ukrainians who have more reason to come during a war. We should have a tightly controlled southern border and be letting in asylum seekers
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It's nice that your family had the money for lawyers and such, and had the background to be accepted.
Plenty of others don't have those advantages, but they still want to improve their lives, or escape from terrible political or criminal oppression. They are human, too, with families that they love as much as anyone else loves theirs, and they want to improve the lives of their families, and their descendants.
Who cares how they get here? They came seeking a better life. I would rather have more people like that, than elitist pigs who feel entitled to America, and we should all get their permission to live our lives.
You have absolutely no idea how legal immigration to the US works. My family immigrated from Iraq nearly a decade and a half ago. We had NOTHING. We had no property, no savings, no investments, and no money for anything like lawyers or the like. Yet despite our struggles, we kept being patient and did everything necessary to enter the country legally.
If you unironically think that the only way to immigrate to this country is by being extraordinarily rich or by sneaking illegally, then you're too ignorant for this conversation. This applies doubly so if you can't even comprehend why illegal immigration is wrong on both a legal and moral level. Not only is it a breach of national security when you have this many people enter the country without documentation or vetting, but it's also a slap in the face for all the people like my family who went through a lot to get in the country the right way AND to all the people and families out there who are still waiting their turn to get in. Why should they be shafted in favor of people who choose to cut the line, intentionally circumnavigate immigration laws, and still feel entitled to receive the same treatment as legal immigrants?
Immigration is a privilege, always has been and always will be. It is not right and never was. Nobody is entitled to be here or any other country they are not citizens of. My family had the privilege of moving here and so did yours. If people want to move to another country, great, but they have to do it through the legal channels. If they reject you then you have to respect it, and if their system takes a long time then you just have to wait. You can't just skip immigration laws just because you don't feel like it. By doing so, you automatically forfeit any sympathy for your immigration case (the only exceptions being genuine asylum cases from either Mexico or Canada). Why should sympathy go to you instead of someone who is going through similar circumstances by immigrated legally or is waiting their turn legally? The answer is it shouldn't
You don't have the skills to be offered employment in the US? Why should Americans care about the billions of uneducated poor people? Certainly can't take care of the whole world
I didn't say we shouldn't grant asylum to Ukrainians, that's legal immigration. In fact, the illegal immigrants sour everyone's support for asylum seekers. Why should a Mexican crossing the border in peace time be more worthy of living in the US than someone who literally got their home town taken over during war?
Who cares how they get here? They came seeking a better life. I would rather have more people like that, than elitist pigs who feel entitled to America, and we should all get their permission to live our lives.
No one is entitled to go anywhere they want whenever they want, anywhere on earth. Why would or should the United States be any different? The only people entitled to any country are the citizens of that country.
The reason someone would care about this is because society is maintained by rule of law.
Another reason is that we do not live in a post scarcity utopia, and resources are not unlimited.
I know it's not the same, but do you support China sending immigrants to Tibet and annexing the country? How about the rest of their neighbors and the South China Sea? What about Russia doing the same in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea?
If national autonomy is something to be respected then border laws and immigration laws have to be as well. If you only agree with those things only for non-wealthy countries like the US and EU members, which I suspect might be the case, I would call that biased and hypocritical.
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I 100% agree. Lemmy is full of idiots who have no idea what immigration is like outside of their completely out of touch echo chambers. My family had to immigrate from Iraq through Syria to the US. We literally had nothing and we went through so much to get into the country legally. Seeing people try to cut the line in front of the many families like mine who are waiting their by illegally forcing their way in is infuriating as is, but seeing them feel entitled makes me have no sympathy for them.