Liberal Media Bending over to Fascists

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35786937

Free Speech Goes Only One Way

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Free Speech Goes Only One Way

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After Gaza, liberals have nowhere to go except full Hitler.
- I guess holding your employees to a higher standard than other news outlets makes you literally Hitler.
  
  You really don't get it lmao
  
  No, it makes you a doormat to fascists.
  
  Were you born this fucking stupid or did you just wake up this morning and choose to insult the world with your existence?

When did MSNBC become “liberal”? Has the definition of liberal changed again? I’m tired and I can’t keep up with this shit.
- Liberalism in general is a center right ideology. It's just the furthest left you can be in America without being demonized.
  
  I fail to get why USians cannot make a real left government
- "Liberal," at least on Lemmy, has become more or less a meaningless word. Any word that has so many definitions, different depending on who you talk to, it becomes sort of corrupted and useless.
  I've literally seen several times a conversation generally of the format "You support Israel!" "wtf no I don't" "Yes you do because you're a liberal and I know that because (whatever)! You're lying, you support Israel! All liberals support Israel!" I'm exaggerating slightly but that's the basic core of it.
  Interestingly enough, the proto-MAGA movement was trying for years to turn "liberal" into a slur before the internet turbo-leftists got in on it. It basically fulfills exactly the same function in both cases: Just a checkbox that means "enemy" which can be used to shut down critical engagement, because humans have an instinctual category for "enemy of the tribe" for which engagement is meaningless, and you just need to attack.
  IDK what word you could use to refer to news like MSNBC. I actually don't see a problem with saying "liberal" to mean news like MSNBC / The Atlantic / similar points on the spectrum, but on Lemmy, you're going to really get people confused. The word in general is just best left avoided I think.
  
  Leftists have always hated liberals. Mao has an entire book about how evil and hypocritical liberalism. It's not my fault that you were raised to think "liberal"= left
- It's called the Overton Window .... where you subtly over time shift the political landscape from one extreme to another without anyone noticing
- When did MSNBC become “liberal"
  🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀
  Has the definition of liberal changed again?
  Depends on your definition of "again". American liberalism has been Neoliberalism since 1992.
  You may be thinking of Leftism or Progressivism, neither of which is liberalism.

Prologue: I do not disagree with this post one bit.
Notably, "free speech" has both a constitutional and colloquial usage.
Constitutionally, your First Amendment right to Free Speech (in the US) is a guard against the state interfering with your speech, even if it is offensive. Still, that's not universal; consider libel and slander, gag orders, for example. The Constitutional free speech protection does not shield you from consequences of your speech handed down by non-governmental persons or organizations.
Colloquially, "free speech" is often used to refer to situations like the one posted here: where a non-state actor takes a retributive action against a speaker. This usage is leveraged by people across the political spectrum.
- Yeah the fash like to use "free speech" to mean "I can say whatever I want whenever I want and no one is allowed to criticize me for it" which mysteriously does not apply to anyone who isn't also a fash
- Counterpoint: fascism doesn't get included in free speech. But everyone else is allowed to voice an opinion.

Get a load of that dorkus over in the lemmyworld comments doing the whole:
"Um, actually, freedom of speech only applies to the government censoring you. When the government makes a private company censor you it's cool and good!!"
Get Snowgraved, nerd.

yeah which is why we dont debate fascists. they dont believe in free speech. they believe in using it to spread hate then taking it away from the rest of us once they’re in the position to do it
any liberal dumb enough to believe charlie kirk gave a shit about free speech is choosing to believe that because they want to believe it because at the end of the day they agree with him and are just too weak to say it. shoot a fascist in the throat and a liberal bleeds

Liberal media? You're on it. Reddit was always waaaay left just because it started out being populated mostly by people who were way above average in intelligence. It's pretty enshitified and censored these days though so it will probably switch over to a funded far right propaganda machine soon enough.
- The bots in /r/conservative are really fuckwd right now.

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy."

A reddit screengrab of a twitter post. Nice.
Let's get this post on imagr too, really widen the ocean of posts.
- A Reddit screengrab of an Imgur screengrab of a Twitter screengrab of an encarta screengrab of an amiga screengrab of a punch hole screengrab

They're the biggest fucking hypocrites

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