Don't give Elon more money.

I rented one in California. I was never been so frustrated with a car before in my life. There are no knobs, for ANYTHING. Everything is done through the touchscreen. Try navigating the A/C system in traffic. Or as the sun goes down and the screen brightness doesn't dim, blinding you as you drive. I will never buy a Tesla, and it starts with the UI of the car. Elon is just the icing on that shit cake.

It always blows my mind that capitalists say "then just vote with your wallet" until you use your wallet to vote differently than they want.

I'm not a car guy, I just don't pay close attention. I drove a delivery van when the Tesla cars were gaining popularity, and I straight up had the thought one day how weird it was that there were a lot of '90s Ford Taurus sedans still on the road.

I won't go so far to say they're timeless, obviously, but I think the design has holding power. Their design language isn't especially bold but it's not out of place compared to newly released models from competitors. It's disappointing that they haven't made any bold changes, but I don't think that means they're dated.

But still, fuck em.

Yeah, Kias look fancier now.

To me that's kind of just the design language. Like how all BMWs look similar, or all Mazda's look similar. Etc. Typically a strong recognizable brand is considered good, even in the auto industry.

And really idgaf if they all look the same. Model s, smaller model s (3), bigass model s(x), medium size Model s(y). That's fine. I don't need a single brand to offer everything, I can go to other brands for variety.

That said, fuck Tesla.

the cabin height being a giant bubble is what i dislike. they pretend to be smaller cars than they are. a small tesla next to a normal crossover vehicle is a good way to remind yourself how big they actually are.

One man's "all look similar" is another man's "strong design language". I think BMW kidney grills are played out 30 years ago, but some people love them. Lambo wedges are played out. Jeep boxes are played out. Etc.

I personally like the no-harsh-edges look. I don't think it'd look especially out of place if it was released this year.

But don't get me started on the interior.

They last as long or longer than most ICE cars

Have you considered living your life and not worrying about what other people think?

That's like saying you are embarrassed by an Android phone

I thought it was pretty when it was novel, but it's been around long enough now that it just kind of blends in. I think it's still a nice clean design, but not really eye catching anymore.

To each their own when it comes to aesthetics, I guess 🤷

The build quality is still objectively abysmal though, that's not a matter of opinion..

Pretty if you like flames, terrible if you worry about the environment, torn if you are both ;-;

No but to be fair the maim reason for that is that usually CEO distance themselves from the company to an extent. The fact you can't name Ford's CEO is indicative enough.

Not anymore.

Paid for is just the ability to use said thing for another month.

Weird climate extremism. The problem is capitalism, not cars although I hate cars.

I think you forgot that the alternative is to support a different douche-ey billionaire and subscribe yourself to 5x more expensive climate killing big oil?

I'm guessing Tesla owners can and do charge at home. I have a Leaf, and I've only used public chargers a few times. Under 100k miles cost of repairs shouldn't be much of an issue.

I charge at home for $0.058/kWh. The company that provides it is also local and it does create local jobs.

Do you even know how EV charging works? Do you go to the Apple Store or Android store to charge your phone?

Yeah the Y is proportionally all wrong haha, it looks like an overweight 3. The only Tesla I like is the S but still much prefer an i4, or even an EQE.

Polestar 2 has only 1 cupholder and is cramped. I don't get who would buy a Polestar over a Model 3 after test driving both.

valid, but i kinda want a place for my arm to rest while driving

That's what I thought. Cognitive dissonance is holding conflicting ideas/positions/beliefs. This can be a purely mental, for example someone believing that evolution isn't real because of their religion while simultaneously knowing that we have a common ancestor with chimps. It can also have a mixture of behaviors, like knowing that smoking is bad but doing it anyway or knowing you need to study/work but procrastinating anyway.

Where is the conflicting idea here? I think that telsa's are ugly. Now that could certainly be an emotion-loaded motivational bias which has changed my perception of the cars (motivated thinking). But fuck it, yeah I do motivated thinking just like everyone else. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that I have cognitive dissonance.

Almost everyone I know with an SUV only has one because “I might need the space someday!” And 99% of the time either leaves random shit in the back or it’s just empty.

Same things with trucks. That bed is almost always vacant.

But the one time they actually use it for the space, it’s suddenly all “see??? I sure am glad I bought a (blank)!”

There are a few exceptions I know, but if the ratio is anything consistent across America, it would explain a lot.

Meanwhile my friend who drives a Prius can fit a surprising amount of stuff in that hatch and still has better acceleration and gas mileage than any of them…

Unfortunately yes

Not a car

the ones that use about twice as much electricity? or the ones that are way heavier because they use a bigger battery to compensate for the higher usage? say what you will, but tesla are pretty efficient

i don't think a lot of people are driving a tesla because they ant to give money to the musk. i also don't think that guy had a lot to do with

• the software
• the build quality
• the design of the car

other than 'i want that' or 'looks good to me'

Somebody who isn't a giant asshat loudly trying to manipulate the populace's political opinions.

Otherwise they would know. Being famous isn't always a good thing.

Now if you asked who were the lead engineers/designers for said vehicles it would mean more about the vehicle itself (but most everyone wouldn't have looked them up or found their names)

Still waiting for my turn with billions burning a hole in my pocket.

Nah. I'm way too heavy for that.

Touché

Not employing American auto workers union employees and having people work for the lowest wages you can possibly pay really leads to the most quality product imaginable.

As battery tech evolves EVs will become much better and cheaper for battery replacement, extending their life. a company recently reported double battery density, which will first hit aero space and outer space tech, then laptop/phonr then cars. it will be a while, but progress is happening. A loy less oil went into Tesla autobody than regular car. think of all the castiron and aluminum, plastics and other comoponents in an ICE system, which aren't used in tesla. and how much manf and transport required for it

Do the sums for a petrol car and then do the for any EV. Spoilers EV is always lower. And a EV only gets cleaner but an Ice still burns oil in some fashion for the rest of its life and burns it worse. I swear Americans are quite possibly the worst and most tribalistic people on lemmy

....as opposed to what? A horse and cart? We're not all biking, running or taking a train to work. The fuck?!

why would electric charge stations compete with themselves? the only competition will be who can charge their customers the most. have you not been paying attention?

Even when I keep my distance, it's happened to me plenty of times that I gotta press the brakes after the EV in front of me coasts for a while when I do the same. Non-EV's don't have the same issue since they coast down at the same speed as me. Not cool to assume that everyone drives like a Dodge RAM owner.

They're not talking about that. The issue is that with the aggressive regen braking, those cars decelerate very quickly, way more quickly than an ICE would with engine breaking. The lack of brake lights therefore means lots of drivers are caught off guard when a Tesla starts coasting before them, which sometimes almost feels like they're on their brakes.