Can someone tell me the reason why these people don't want to leave Reddit?

To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you're seeing the worst of the worst takes.

A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It's really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can't think beyond "this isn't convenient for me today."

People are dumb bud.. there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.

Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.

What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.

I feel like they don't understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez's decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.

People's resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don't like change.

This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit's current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy's userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.

What I'm afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don't think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.

It’s instetesting for the subject of Piracy in particular. Participating in obtaining digital goods has most often been a "take it or leave it" standard. You’ve always had to “go where the action is” if not desperately trying to get invited ( Demonoid era).

They will come to their senses when they need there warez as they always do.

It's like BitTorrent. There's seeders and then there's leechers who just want their free stuff and stop sharing immediately afterwards.

Some have more principle than others.

/r/Piracy

That's not the real games piracy sub anyways. The true successor of the scene-watching community is and always was /r/CrackWatch and even there people are very aware that they're not contributors, just spectators. So basically, it was a place for movies piracy, and movies piracy is and always been the most piss easy, top result on google piracy around. I haven't gone on a single website to pirate movies in a decade, shit is all searchable either directly on qBit and deluge or on tracker tools.

They don't want to come over, so what? They're irrelevant. A wiki service reddit, barely anything else. A place for people who unironically install uTorrent and don't even know what the u stands for.

It's so hard to join lemmy now, and everything lags in lemmy even just an upvote...

Can’t even open that link on phone without app. Real Pirates wish to be free.

Sink their bones to Davey Jones! The best of us have migrated to Lemmy

Just let 'em. Splitting a community isn't nice but i don't see another solution here. Maybe this is kind of a diet for us and slimming will be a chance for us.

I imagine most people are like me and have an old account and communities they like.

It's similar to why people don't e.g. flee states like Florida.

It's kinda dumb, but I get the feeling. They should just realize they can use both sites

Honestly a lot of people who casually use reddit, probably don't know and aren't deep enough into the reddit world to care much

I don't see that subreddit lasting long after this tbh. If this all to make the product (reddit's communities) look good to buyers, then I can see it being nuked.

I think most of the people who want to move already moved, these are the leftovers

I have only just joined over here on Lemmy, so let me try to explain what took me so long. Reddit, even though a shit hole, is easier to use and has ingrained itself with google for even easier use. Lemmy is a nightmare to try and find boards ya interested in for common people, as each .com is it's own sign up and own set of boards, it's not you go to one site, sign up and find what ya want, you need to know each little lemmy.insertnamehere to find a certain ammount of boards.

This is just my experience and everyone could be different, basically put, laziness and simplicity i think are the two main reasons.

EDIT: not to mention that just took about 5mins to post..... wtf is up with this site?

Come on guys don't let that discourage you from commenting about it; that's exactly what admins and spez want (hell some of those are probably spez's alts lmao).

Minecraft even pulled out of reddit today; other companies might follow. Users just need to keep up the pressure in reddit discussions.

You can copy/paste this premade summary I made pretty much anywhere.

Habit spawns laziness and stupidity as well as a false sense of loyalty.

Yeah moving to a federation alternative seems like it would be extremely welcomed in that type of community. They would have a lot more freedom in posting whatever content they wanted without being bothered by the reddit admins.

Pirates are notoriously good at finding the content they are looking for, so a "hidden" community on Lemmy would still thrive.

We still have to wait and see what happens after July 1st.

Probably bootlickers

They're just there for the easy upvotes for posting their memes about the mods ruining that sub, then getting mad when the posts get removed.

The history button for Moderator Toolbox there is showing a ton of regular r/teenagers posters who barely use the sub. My guess is they saw comments getting upvoted for being righteously indignant about the John Oliver posts and decided to "meme" their displeasure in the way teenagers usually do.

I tried to explain to one of these people Lemmy for piracy alone is easy, it's apparently more complicated to use, setup, or understamd than his current pirating methods or any methods he's ever done.

If it requires more than 4 button clicks and 10 minutes, you lose the lazy, disinterested, and unmotivated people.

Most people here are going to be pirates who were burned CDs and jacked channels or people who were raised by people burned CDs and learned about pirate bay before geometry (hi), im sure this community will cause many to pick up pirating, unfortunately, I think the loss is due to people who havent truly explored the internet/computers and checked out what piracy is.

Wait until reddit kills the piracy forums outright, they are going for an IPO, they will either clean house right before, or shortly after going public, pirates that want simple info will pay Netflix/Hulu, the ones who get more motivated will remember or find Lemmy.

I have known about lemmy for a long time. Im happy its starting to have a population. Only reason I am sad to leave reddit is I have used it to save answers to my questions and save guides etc. Its more an archive for me

Ease of use and size of user base

my theory is that most users don't know or care about the api changes or the deaths of the third party apps. and most of the ones who do know dont care.

id also guess that a lot of people are hesitant to join the fediverse due to a choice paralysis, kinda similar to Linux distros. altho joining an instance is not actually all that complicated most people just dont want to have to bother making the choice of which one to join, and others cant be bothered to learn how instances work. ppl think it's complicated because it's different and new to them and ppl generally don't like change 🤷‍♀️

I switched. Still getting a handle on the ferdiverse. The developer for Sync said he was creating a Lemmy app. I use Jerboa currently.

Need reddit app to see that? Nice try mate

I never found /r/Piracy to be useful for anything other than making memes about piracy. There's very little actual information on how to pirate.

After one day in on Kbin, I found this handy little breakdown, which provided me with more resources than I'd ever seen listed on Reddit during my entire time there.

This is a prime example of the slow heat death of Reddit - now that they've forced people to start looking at other alternatives to their communities, they're beginning to realize how restricted and frivolous most of Reddit has become, and what a poor information resource it actually is. When information is presented and moderated as entertainment, it's quality invariably suffers. While it may be a bit to early to tell, it feels like Reddit's failures are instigating an internet Renaissance in the federated space, which has the openness and freedom to allow that kind of a movement to grow.

On Reddit, like my link above, it would be removed for violating the TOS.

I just took a look at one of the most popular recent "mutiny posts" and wow, it really has gone to shit. I get that some people might not care about the API mess, but they actively hate the mods there. Half the comments are just unhinged and are still upvoted.

There was even an unabashed antivaxer comment from some guy drawing some sort of insane comparisons between mrna and r/Piracy mods and even that was upvoted lol

I don't know if the numbers back this up but I hope that the reason for this is just that the reasonable people moved to Lemmy and it's just the crazies left there...

They probably don't want to learn, so they won't try to learn how to use Lemmy or Kbin.

It already has an established platform with so much information people won't switch becouse reddit already has all information they need

There are pirates as in ideologically cultured anarchists and there are simpletons chasing releases and demanding stuff as if they were entitled to receive it grr

From what I've gathered people generally like using shitty platforms.

Many subs there have 1000x the users that the equivalent subs here do. That does make a difference.

The communities i care about the most are ghosttowns on lemmy so I have to go to the subs

Maybe they have some little niche communities they do not want to just abandon.

That is why I still use reddit - when you have a really niche hobby or interest and finally discover a community of people that you can share the joy of that interest with, that feels great - you do not want to lose that community that you have longed for for so long.

I am part of some niche communities that have an activity level and a user base that is hard to beat on reddit. I am doing my part here on Lemmy and created local c/dolls and c/denpasong communities on my home instance, but of course nobody is interested here on Lemmy. I am giving Lemmy some time of course, but I am afraid that I will stay lonely with my little communities here on Lemmy unfortunately.

There's a sociological study that analyzes cultural change and acceptance of new ideas. It's called the technology adoption lifecycle. I still think we are in the early stages. I would consider reddit refugees as the early adopters.

Because people resent change.

I also don't understand it. Didn't they always have problems there with Reddit deleting pinned threads and their wiki full of information, to the point where information had to be collected on an external page?

Why wouldn't they want to stay? It works for them. Before ideology, before morality, before any other thing you can conceive of is plain, simple convenience. And Reddit is certainly convenient. Once enough users leave, they'll leave, too.

Because Lemmy isn’t as conveniently accessed, and it’s just slow.

It’s also confusing.

How do you even open the site on mobile without having to install the app? I keep getting an overlay. Can't we just post screenshots from now on and stop generating traffic on their site.

According to some old reddit has a better layout than this place and the people there are pissed at the mods for breaking their own rules for the place. Makes me trust people less and less. Especially those in positions of power. Some of the people here are great but I hope something better looking comes along cause this place has no aesthetics imo.

I'm still kind of weirded out by some of the bugs and differences. For example, quite frequently, I'll click a lemmy link, and for whatever reason it keeps taking me to some weird baseball game thread about the Padres or something. I don't know why, like wtf, so random.

Truly bizarre.

People are freaking out because you have to put two seconds of thought into it.

It will take time

It's not like everyone visiting /r/piracy was part of the community itself (which moved to greener pastures). Many visited the sub as part of casual browsing.