World’s first ‘superfast’ battery offers 400km range from 10 mins charge
Tesla, Toyota and VW supplier CATL says production will begin in 2023
World’s first ‘superfast’ battery offers 400km range from 10 mins charge::Tesla, Toyota and VW supplier CATL says production will begin in 2023
Not once in the entire article do they measure energy in a unit suitable for measuring energy.
Measuring batteries in km is misleading and nonsensical. Batteries do not have a distance range. Cars have a distance range, based on many factors, only one of which is battery capacity.
Similarly, please stop measuring light output in watts that an imaginary incandescent bulb from 30 years ago might theoretically have used to produce that amount of light.
I remember having the light-measured-in-watts discussion years ago when LED lights were still considered a novelty. Of course, this was with a videographer who actually understood the issue. He complained that it wasn’t a good idea to limit car headlights based on their wattage, which is how all the laws at the time were written. 5 years later, suddenly there were LED headlights blinding everyone.
I actually like the compatible watts for light bulbs. They should absolutely also prominently list a correct measurement (I assume linens?), but I only know how bright it is based on the old watt comparison.
Just like crop frame cameras list lens lengths in full frame equivalent because that is what people understand. But they also need to lose the actual mm.
You're thinking lumens
Stopped reading after: “increase in battery capacity and charge time was achieved through a “brand-new superconducting electrolyte formula” that results in improved conductivity.”
I guess the source, author or both don’t really care about technically accurate terminology. If it’s good enough for Star Trek, it’s good enough for us.
Show me an article promising substantially better battery tech in less than 5years and I will show you a steaming hot pile of crap.
We're past that point. Every claim you heard in the last 10 years has been researched to its end. Some worked out, some didn't, but we didn't need all of them. Just one or two breakthroughs are enough.
These are going into production this year They're not lab experiments anymore.
Want to join me on an online betting platform and wager against my statement that you will not be able to purchase what is described here in 2years? We've seen these kinds of promises over and over again with battery tech. Slow incremental changes yes. These types of breakthrough reports are consistently garbage regardless of how close to market they claim they are. I presume they put these out to stir up investment.
But in my lifetime battery tech has improved tremendously. Even in the last 5 years charge density and speed of recharge has had massive improvements.
How quickly will capacity degrade charging at that speed?
Which is great. No need to poo poo it.
However. Fast charge isn't really necessary unless you are on a long journey over 400 km and need to charge on route or you drive a lot. Eg taxi Uber etc.
Best thing ever industry can do for planet would be a 350km car that's cheap. That's really what most car users require. They drive to and from work and most drive less than 100km a day.
Just like a phone you charge over night and don't need oooodles of range.
Anyone going on long trips really should be using a train with another vehicle if required at the destination.
Truckers are a different story and should be separated from the day to days if average car users
However. Fast charge isn’t really necessary unless you are on a long journey over 400 km and need to charge on route or you drive a lot. Eg taxi Uber etc.
There is a large amount of apartment renters that don't have access to the preferable overnight slow charging. Fast charging like this article is talking about could be a game changer for that segment of buyers.
Huge issue I know. One of the largest barriers to owning Evs. On street charging needs an overhaul and this is where you'd run into a lot of problems.
But that 350km should not be best case summer. It should be worst case -10°C at ~250-300km
Absolutely. Has to be actually real life range. Not best case in a lab with nobody in it with everything turned off.
350km up and down hills in hot/ cold weather with 2 adults and a child in back. Charging phones playing music acceleration and braking.
Fast charge isn't really necessary
Totally disagree. I think fast charging is the biggest roadblock we have in making electric cars more popular. Just think how much time filling cars with petrol takes, charging should also take similar time. 10-15 mins would be ok if you also can have breakfast in that time.
But you don't need it. You need a vehicle that gets you a to b. You can charge when you aren't driving.
Electric cars will be common once they reach price parity with ice. Why buy an ice that helps prop up the profits of oil cartels.
If price can get close to ice with good enough range. Cuts out every going to a petrol station again and solar panels will reduce your transport costs. Plus added bonus of less moving parts and no oil changes ever again.
Plus less noise.
Charging at work via solar would be even better. If there was some way for businesses to be incentivised for it.
Truckers are a different story and should be separated from the day to days if average car users
Why not also move freight by train and use smaller delivery vehicles at the destination?
Exactly. Why not.
I own exactly one car. If it can't do everything I need a car to do, it isn't the right car for me. Me, like many others, don't buy a car for the 98% of drives, we buy it for the 2% of drives that need to happen.
Edit: Given there isn't a train that goes the 2% of places, should I buy one car for 98% of drives and a completely different car for 2% of drives? That hardly seems like a good solution.
I'm with you 100%. The people downvoting you must live in some idealized fantasy land where public transit is effective and rental cars are easily available and affordable.
Like you, I live in the real world, where public transit is a mess, the rental market is completely overwhelmed, and charging infrastructure is spotty at best. So I went with a plug-in hybrid vehicle when I needed something new after my 11 year old Lancer got rear ended and written off by the insurance company. Enough electric range for all of my daily driving, but also a gas tank for when I need to exercise that 2% of my driving routine and go farther afield.
It's been over 500km since I last filled the tank and so far it's still full.
Presumably you would rent a special vehicle for the 2% of drives. Of course that's still inconvenient, and I don't know where the crossover for others is.
For an individual there are a lot of factors, and I don't know all of them because I have never owned an EV or even a Hybrid.
That said, if I could get rid of stopping at gas stations and oil changes, and have it cost less per mile, those are all plusses for me. But I still weigh it against the still much higher purchase price, and need for electrical work that would probably cost a lot, or 110v charging which would be slower than I'd like.
I also don't really want to have a "worse fit to me" next car just to get an EV. I think EVs keep getting closer, but I am still 50/50 if they'll be there when I'll need a new car in 5 years.
Same. I don't even want to think about the difficulties in transporting 5 mountain bikes without a car, and then hiring a car at the destination that also has a big enough bike rack.
This , and I think the price will comedown a lot and soon, market pressure will see to that asap. We have yet to really see the economy of scale that is coming through and r&d for batteries is at a all time high. Plenty of promising developments in the very near future including the one cited in the op
Basically once price hits parity with nice it's over. Why would you upgrade to ice when they are getting blocked for resale after 2030 in several countries.
Running cost is cut in half. No oil changes less moving parts and so hopefully less maintenance costs.
I think honestly for most people. It's cost.
If you need a reliable running vehicle and it can get you from a to b. A little of people will look at lowest price.
Once you start earning more and need certain criteria you have to shop around a bit until you find that.
Once the market gets flooded with evs the price will start to get pushed down. Second hand market will be great but battery is going to be selling point.
Anecdotal I was just on a trading site looking at evs. Very few had range listed. Yet that is the most important part of an ev. I need to know range price and to some degree mileage. Batter check ups are going to be key. No point buying a dirt cheap car if battery replacement is 30k.
The issue with this mentality is that lots of people (or even most) can't charge at home or at work. If you have fast charging cars and enough stations then you don't need to address this issue and you now have a drop in fossil fuel replacement rather than something that needs lots of new local infrastructure.
You need the infrastructure of the stations though. Those same fast chargers could be installed at home or at work. You would lose a lot of the benefits if you still had to go to petrol stations to fill up.
But yeah best case is reducing fossil fuels
Know what's better than a battery that charges fast? A train with a catenary that never has to charge at all
It's not remotely realistic to expect a sudden drastic change in infrastructure like that. While we should work toward such goals, statements like this are ignorant of the time and efforts necessary to affect such change.
Kinda telling on yourself by calling it "drastic". What exactly is "severe" or "rapid" about supporting alternative methods of transportation?
Then build me a railroad track fucker.
Then personally build me a road fucker. It is like people only think public transport requires huge amounts of public investment and maintenance, but other forms of transport somehow magically require less than the most efficient option. Roads and cars just appear out of thin air...
Sure is. You should build out the infrastructure since no one else seems to want to.
I'd love to see you take a trash lumber pile or fence clippings to the landfill with a train. If I didn't own a truck I would have already needed to rent one twice this week
Damn, you really incensed a whole bunch of people who seem to like living in soulless, identical car-centric hells. What normal person thinks you expect "a sudden drastic change" from a silly comment like this?
Thing about reactionaries, they tend to react
How does that get me from my house to somewhere near my house? Or is this something I'm supposed to pay higher taxes for that won't service anything near me?
It doesn’t. Public transportation only really works in dense environments. The rub is that the default mode of development across the US has been suburban sprawl, which basically makes the “last mile” - from the bus/train route to your house / business / shops - impractical.
Best we can do given this state of affairs is build good transit and densify around the stops with infill development. Continuing the pattern of sprawl just makes every problem related to transportation harder - longer commutes, more traffic, higher amount of energy consumed to get from point A to point B.
Anyway, hope this battery tech works out because a lot of us are stuck with expensive personal vehicles as our only viable option given the way our cities are laid out.
Ugh, me? Living in a SOCIETY where I have to PAY for things I don't USE?! What's next, paying for SCHOOLS when I don't have KIDS?!
What an explosive revelation!