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Trump ‘very angry’ at Ukraine hitting Russian pipeline feeding Orbán

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Well done Ukraine, absolutely not considered a problem by your allies.
Fuck Trump and Fuck Orban. They both chose to stand on the wrong side of the russian invasion of Ukraine, and they both deserve to be punished for it.
Orban can fuck off back to Russia, we don't need Hungary in EU, when they choose to be pro Russian despite an invasion of a peaceful country in Europe.
USA too will suffer from this too, USA is no longer considered a strong ally by the "West" in general, and not even within NATO!
There are already defense agreements being formed around NATO, for instance between Canada and EU! The agreements includes development and acquisition of weapons, that will no longer be bought from USA, to achieve greater independence from USA in the future.
It's always sad to lose a friend, but even with a new administration, nobody can really trust USA anymore, USA is currently descending deeper into a authoritarian regime, and resistance is effectively being systematically removed. As it is, there seems to be little hope that USA will ever become a functional democracy.
- It’s always sad to lose a friend, but even with a new administration, nobody can really trust USA anymore, USA is currently descending deeper into a authoritarian regime, and resistance is effectively being systematically removed. As it is, there seems to be little hope that USA will ever become a functional democracy.
  I hope that a better US administration will come after this one and that it will improve the things that can be improved easily (tariffs, visas, rhetoric, and other transactional policies), but at this point Trump has poisoned the well and it will take a generation of good (or at least understandable and workable) behavior by both US parties to rebuild a fraction of the trust and soft power the orange idiot has squandered in barely half a year.
  
  i don't think either of the current parties can be trusted before you start trusting our nation again. we need systemic reform to set up durable safeguards against oligarchy.
  
  We (EU) can absolutely reestablish normal trade immediately with USA if USA wishes, it is 100% one-sidedly USA that want trade restrictions. EU even went so far as to NOT put tariffs on USA despite USA has put a 15% tariff on everything from EU!!!
  But the election of Bush twice, who already had hostile rhetoric against allies, and started a war based on false intelligence. And then the election of Trump twice, even after it became well known he is a rapist and a con man and a fraudster and behaves like a Russian asset. Shows the American people and democracy itself is very unreliable. It's not just this administration, it's the entire system that is the problem.
  Of course we will work sanely with a sane administration, but we simply can't reasonably rely on American sanity anymore, unless some sort of fundamental shift occur in American democracy.
  American democracy was always dysfunctional, designed that way on purpose in the belief it makes for a more efficient government, effectively creating an undemocratic 2 party system.
  There are many good Americans, but they are outnumbered and the undemocratic system has failed them. Americans need to fight for democracy if they want it. If they really value freedom and democracy as Americans have boasted about more than any other nation, they will fight. But my guess is that when push comes to shove, the majority doesn't give a shit. At least that's what decades of presidential elections clearly indicate.
  
  4 years of a better admin won't fix this. 40 years of good admins won't fix this.
  The real damage done was showing the world that the American system of democracy, long thought to be infalliable and a known constant of the international geopolitical sphere, was easily broken by a bunch of haphazard incompetent fascists in less than a decade. It matters not who is in charge anymore because it could flip on a dime at any second with no warning.
  The US can NEVER be trusted unless its government collapses and is reformed in a different, more stable manner.
  
  The US largely voted for what is happening and would vote for more of it harder and worse. A new admin does not change what a large chunk of the population feels. There are systemic issues that would take generations to solve, if it is even solvable in any peaceful way.
- The US as a nation has demonstrated that they learned absolutely nothing from trumps first term and the country won't be trusted again for generations. Any deal will be temporary because they are one egg price hike away from electing the next dumbass charlatan.
- Elbows up brother.
- when they choose to be pro Russian
  The election was rigged.
  
  Possibly, but as it is, Orban is allowed to represent the country.
  And as long as the people allow that, it's academic whether the election was rigged.
  It's the same as we can't go soft on Russia, "just" because the elections are very obviously rigged, and political opponents are imprisoned and killed depending on what Putin finds necessary to win. We have to respond to Russia according to their actions, and the same goes for Hungary.

The majority of people is very angry with Trump for siding with the aggressor in this war all the time.

So it was a success on multiple fronts.
Slava Ukraini!

Why do we care how Trump feels about a conflict he has nothing to do with, or have any say in how it’s handled?
I don’t get why we keep allowing this fart-colored cringe-tinged shaved ape to pretend he is relevant to any part of most everything that happens?
- Because the USA is one of Ukraine's biggest weapons suppliers, and has the ability, via secondary sanctions, to make Russia even more of a pariah.
  He very much has something to do with it.
- Fair enough

But not angry that Russia blew up a US factory.
That Russian dick must taste pretty good to Preznit Pedo.

Funny how things happen when there is a war going on.

Great. Trump can do the world a favor and have an aneurysm.

Fuck trump

Does anyone understand why Ukraine hit the pipeline when it runs through their own territory? Why not just shut it off?
- it's a bit harder to have someone sneak in and just turn it back on if its in pieces.
  
  I mean, not really? Russia will repair the damage, because it's on their own territory and Ukraine can't dedicate its arsenal to hitting the same target again and again. Within Ukraine the pipeline can be disabled, at multiple points, in such a way as to require extensive or complicated repairs, then guarded to ensure it's not re-enabled by this mysterious sneakster. Or it can be remotely monitored so that, if it is fixed, oil flow can be detected and then turned off again from a different station. There are seven pumping stations in Ukraine from which it can be controlled.
  
  I guess the question (which I also ask myself) is why not blow it up in their territory, just put a few tons of explosives in a section in an unpopulat3d area and blow it to smitherines.
  Or turn the gas off and then dismantle a km long section, if you don't want to waste explosives and risk fires.
- They may want to keep that infrastructure for quick post-war activation and use for their own purposes. That should be cheaper and faster than having to rebuild a whole thing.
  
  I mean I'm no saboteur, I just imagine that it's possible disable a pipeline running through your territory in such a way that it's possible to re-activate it...
  
  Reversibility is nice, but the more immediate need is to fuck over Russia's ability to bring in money from foreign trade. If that doesn't happen, the ability to get the infrastructure back online will only benefit Russia after it overruns Ukraine.

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