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The Guardian has obtained a classified IDF database claiming five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians

www.theguardian.com Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May, as overall death toll reached 53,000

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Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

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Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83% in Gaza war

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Revealed: Israeli military’s own data indicates civilian death rate of 83%

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This could only be 'shocking' because "war" is a misleading misnomer used to obfuscate the nature of the occupation.
- ~~occupation~~ genocide
  
  ~~genocide~~ holocaust
  
  Certainly, but that's only because you kinda have to kill people (and threaten to continue to do so, ofc) to stop them from living where you wanna settle. 😔

the idf will be fuming at this data. they would have expected that number to be closer to six out of six.
- Right they still need the charade of hamas to justify their genocide.

There are like 10,000 Hamas members TOTAL so yah if you have 60,000 deaths then BASIC COMMON SENSE would tell you this is clearly a genocidal attack on civilians. I doubt the ratio is even 1:6 because they sure as fuck haven't eliminated every Hamas member at this point.
- In the first 3 months they claimed to kill 9000 hamas fighters https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-war-goals-unachieved-1.7087509
- Hamas is closer to 40000 according to pre-war estimates.
  
  Notably hamas being essentially the government there includes clerks cooks janitors, plumbers.
  Kinda hard to personally blow up the building where bob the plumber sleeps killing him his kids and 10 other folks and claim to have hit any military targets.
  Governments often claim to kill a military target when they kill a prime age male even without realistically identifying a combatant especially where bombing is used.
  It's probably closer to 80-90% civilians
  
  Estimated by whom?

I would say 6/6 are civilians. Can't blow up a man's whole family and act like he's the terrorist when he retaliates using the only means available.

The number of people killed is actually the number of verified dead bodies; it doesn't include people blown to pieces or buried under debris. I feel like that meaningful difference should always be presented instead of casually simplifying it to "number of people killed."

A lot of people I ask in person don’t happen to realize the size and population of Gaza compared to the state they live in. When you add that perspective, it might change their perspective.
- Gaza is about the same size as the island of Manhattan. Israel has dropped hundreds if not thousands of 2000lb bombs. Think about that for a sec.

What is the future plan for this now? Let's say we get peace between Israel and Palestine. How can one expect any country to live peacefully next to an other country that has taken a huge bite off its demographic like this?
- Israel's solution: no peace, kill them all
- Just like the american civil war, time will heal after some decades or centuries
  
  Is that what happened after the American Civil War?

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