Rioters and Looters rule

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"you can't just abolish the police"
- Not with that attitude
  
  My bad. I meant to say:
  “yOu cAnT jUsT aBoLiSh ThE pOlIcE”
- Then why don't I hear them on the radio anymore?
  
  Don't Stand So Close to Me.

The formation of the department of Homeland security was extremely controversial. Most Democrats didn't want to pass it since it is functionally an army with no oversight that reports to the president, the aspiring war criminal George W. Bush. But then letters filled with anthrax went out to several legislators, including Patrick Lehey and Tom Daschle. 5 people died and 17 were injured. Dems buttoned that bill up, in a panic, real fucking quick.
Later after the department was created the source of the anthrax was determined. The source of the anthrax was a bunker that Saddam Hussein had been hiding in.
Nah just kidding, it came from an Army base in Ft. Dietrich, Maryland.

No bro a lawsuit will magically fix this trust me bro. One more scandal bro. The files bro. Trust me bro one more SLAMMING in their own news papers and we defeat facism.
- yeah release the Epstein files and all, but let's not pretend that it would make a single difference to anything if they were full of hard evidence of Trump and his whole cabinet assaulting an entire teen beauty pageant.
  
  Literally everyone already knows he's a rapist. But somehow YET ANOTHER example is supposed to make a difference? Nah bruh.

So the right propped these goons as heroes and the left made them out to be monsters. Now it turns out they are basically redneck gestapo and I'm supposed to be mad at... Who? Why? Are we pretending that the right was blameless here and that it is not directly their fault? That an 'overreaction' that turned out to basically be right is to blame?
What the fuck is being said here?
- That liberalism enables fascism.
  Liberalism has as a core tenet rule-of-law and preserving the organs of bourgeois democracy.
- I think your meme is missing a scene. The one where the Liberals clean and load the gun, then hand it over to the Fascists.
  
  That could just be the one and only reply to the OP
- In-fighting is very effective.

The absolute minimum that should be done should be to split ICE up into the original agencies that were merged into it in 2002. Originally, the border policing and customs, and the immigration enforcement were two separate agencies. Customs was controlled by the Treasury, immigration was controlled by the Justice Department.
Basically, undo everything that was done in response to 9/11 and dissolve the Department of Homeland Security.
- THANK YOU. It’s frustrating how people seem to have forgotten this. We spent 200 years with enforcement agencies being completely independent, unable to collude, balancing abuses of power, then a few weeks riot-fascists took advantage of 9/11 to combine them all into one huge police agency with extra-constitutional powers and no checks and balances. Now we’re here. This is definitely a root cause

no way anark on my 196?
- I zoomed in on the pfp cause I wasn't certain lol.

What liberals opposed this? It’s weird that liberal is now a word Americans use to mean whoever they dislike. I know the right loves ICE but what liberal does?
- From Wikipedia:
  Many Democratic politicians, such as Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and former Vice President Kamala Harris of California, believe that ICE should be reformed rather than abolished. Harris stated that Democrats should "critically re-examine ICE" and "think about starting from scratch" with American immigration policy, while Senator Bernie Sanders stated that Democrats should instead encourage Trump to work with them on "a national program which deals with this serious issue."
  That was about 7 years ago.
  Even Bernie opposed abolishing ICE.
  He used the word absolutely the correct way.
  
  Hey look at that, more evidence of bernie being a spineless lapdog for the exact same powers he claims to oppose. This certainly proves the point about abolishing ice being wrong and doesnt show exactly how liberals allowed this to happen.
- Literally every single democratic politician in office
- Obama and Biden had full, 100% unchecked authority to shut down ICE but they didn’t.
  
  Did they need to? Obama wasnt running 2025 ICE.
- liberal is now a word Americans use to mean whoever they dislike
  Americans? NPR, ProPublica, Gallup, Vox didn't get that memo. Maybe online echo chambers that like dividing the left?
  Reality check. ::: spoiler articles using liberal as left
  How One Oregon Activist Is Using a Decades-Old Liberal Policy to Stall Green Energy Projects in Rural Areas
  The “weirdos” shaping Trump’s second term: A liberal writer explains her journey through intellectual MAGAland
  Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”
  Exploring Young Women's Leftward Expansion
  A surge in young women who identify as politically liberal in recent years goes beyond the label, extending particularly to their stances on the environment and abortion.
  
  U.S. Political Parties Historically Polarized Ideologically
  new highs in the percentages of Republicans identifying as conservative and Democrats as liberal
  
  Increase in Liberal Views Brings Ideological Parity on Social Issues
  Values and Beliefs survey finds that Americans are currently about equally likely to say their views are conservative (32%), moderate (32%) or liberal (33%) on social issues
  
  Conservative, liberal Midwest college students talk politics while practicing empathy
  Conservative and liberal students at two small Midwest universities have been meeting every month to talk politics, while practicing listening and avoiding making assumptions about the other side.
  
  Republican legislatures look to put local issues in liberal areas under state control
  Republican state houses aimed at rolling back laws passed by more progressive cities.
  Bills targeting education, transgender and LGBTQ rights, housing policy, gun rights and policing
  
  ::: The dictionary ::: spoiler progressive senses of liberal
  liberal
  adjective
  favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs. - Synonyms: progressive - Antonyms: reactionary
  (often initial capital letter), noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
  free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant. > a liberal attitude toward foreigners. - Synonyms: unprejudiced, broad-minded
  open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc. - Antonyms: intolerant
  characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts. > a liberal donor. - Synonyms: lavish, unstinting, munificent, openhanded, charitable, beneficent
  given freely or abundantly; generous. > a liberal donation.
  :::
  
  No, we're just adopting the definition the rest of the world has for it.
- You must understand, the Russian and Chinese agents who seek to divide us are now turning Democrats against each over by bisecting them into “the left” and an ancient definition of “liberals” that would include George Bush Sr among other right wing characters.
  That what the aim of these posts is. Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
  
  Are these Russian and Chinese agents who want to divide "us" (who do you mean with "us"?) In the room with us right now?
  Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
  I guess I can ignore about 150 years of history then, huh? Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, homie.
  
  Or maybe Democrat policy deserves legitimate criticism after repeated failures? No, it must be those scary foreigners.
  
  That sounds just like what a leftist what believes slightly different than I do would say! They ruined leftism!

Citation?
- The American Immigration Council:
  https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/still-no-action-taken-complaints-against-border-patrol-agents-continue-go-unanswered/
  Behind The Bastards episodes on Border Patrol (including the complaint it has no one overseeing or restricting it):
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdStIvC8WeE
  
  What does Liberals complaining about how unconstitutional the actions of the ICE are have to do with my request for citations of the claim that Liberals were fighting to keep them around?
- Yeah, not sure what "liberals", hell anyone on the left, would've been able to do to stop this fascism, besides voting, which posts like this seem hell bent on getting us to disagree with each other about.
  
  Let's just pretend Biden didn't have 2 years of near congressional control to prevent the fascist takeover I guess. Or at the very least impede its effect. Never forget Biden never shut down the whole kids in cages shit, or ended the border wall construction outright.
  
  They could have EASILY put Trump in prison. There are SO MANY documented crimes he has committed. They actively chose not to because they are controlled opposition owned by the rich.
  
  Not funded ICE, at all.
- Here you go
  
  The movement gained mainstream traction in June 2018 following controversy of the Trump administration family separation policy.
  So basically liberals supported if not spearheaded the movement.
- Maybe the person might be from Europe where liberals is used to refer to people on the right (liberal in terms of letting companies do what they want, no regulations etc)
  
  surprising to see people on Lemmy who still.don't know the word 'liberal'
  
  No, that's Daniel Baryon a.k.a "Anark". He's in the so-called US.
  That's still what he means, though.
  
  I feel like that would work in reference to a Liberal Party like you find in parts of Europe and Australia, but the word Liberal alone just doesn't work here.
- https://www.amazon.com/Apprentices-Sorcerer-Tradition-Critical-Sciences/dp/1608462021

We have to continue educating the working class about class consciousness and socialist values. Then we have to slide into power.

Thing that was literally done by conservatives
Some random leftist: why have the dems done this?!
- It wouldn't have passed if they didn't come back.
  Don't know what to tell you.

I thought for sure I'd be able to follow OOP on Mastodon because surely he wouldn't be enabling fascism by remaining on X...
EDIT: searching by name did it

That makes as much sense as saying that the left enables fascists by not being convincing enough.

Leftists understanding their own big tent philosophy challenge: impossible.
- A party that refuses to support leftist principles does not deserve leftist votes lol.
  It isn't hard to understand.
  
  #GOPlogic

yep that's why I wrote in Jill Stein for 2024
- I voted for Harris
- Yup that helped.
  /s just in case
  
  And how much did voting for Harris help?
  
  So you completely missed of the point of OP’s post, huh?

"the left" are more idologcially aligned with Trump than liberals are and are only mad because its not them who gets to violate peoples human rights.
- Not all leftists are authoritarians and its disingenuous to act otherwise.
  
  No more disingenuous than saying liberals enable fascists because they didnt remove law enforcement when they were in power.
- People who don't want to meet fascism half way are ideologically alligned with fascists
  Lol
- Liberals are more ideological aligned with Trump than leftists. Both Biden and Harris' campaigns were supporting genocide and making Trump term 1 bipartisan ("Actually, we fill out the paperwork and are more competent. So if you hate immigrants, you should vote Democrat because we will build the Wall faster and have ICE working more efficiently"). The centrists equivocation of the Left and fascists is just the equivalent of saying "Both the left and the right got mad at me shitting my pants in the middle of the room. So they must both be the same!"
  
  You think liberals supported the genocide? Libs are the only ones who actually oppose it and offer solutions to the conflict. Maga supports it and the "left" are pushing for a genocide on jews.

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