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French streamer Jean Pormanove dies at 46 during grueling multi-day marathon broadcast: The Kick platform faces scrutiny as viewers watched the tragedy happen live.

spilled.gg French streamer Jean Pormanove dies at 46 during grueling multi-day marathon broadcast

French streamer Jean Pormanove died at 46 during a 10-day Kick subathon. The case renews debate over risky stream stunts and Kick's moderation.

cross-posted from: https://reddthat.com/post/48253216

A 46-year-old French streamer died on camera during a 10-day marathon broadcast featuring sleep deprivation and physical challenges.
Viewers watched him lie motionless for an extended period before co-streamers checked on him after being alerted through donations.
What happened raises serious questions about dangerous streaming content and platform moderation on sites like Kick.

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French streamer Jean Pormanove dies at 46 during grueling multi-day marathon broadcast: The Kick platform faces scrutiny as viewers watched the tragedy happen live.

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Why put the focus on the platform and not the streamer who didn't let him go? This will end in censorship. There is nothing wrong with adults pushing themselves to their limits.
Pushing the limits is accepted in sport and mountaineering, it shouldn't be questioned here.
- my take is that a platform is responsible because it monetizes this content and provides pay to it's users. I see this as a platform encouraging this behavior in the worst case, and a platform being ignorant and not caring about this behavior in the best.
  When you are poor/in need of money to survive, you might choose to do these things that this site allows you to do, thus it is responsible in that way (imo :3)
  
  So we create a Foxconn environment where workers cannot jump to death?
  The problem is poverty. Soon after platform providers have to censor content, they will have to censor all critical content. Then abuse will increase and poverty will increase, too.
  We have to help the poor directly. We don't help them by giving up our freedoms.
- This is not about pushing limits, this is about consent and manipulation.
  
  I agree, as long as it is not the grueling multi-day marathon broadcast itself.

Kick launched in 2022 as an alternative to Twitch with looser content moderation.
Well that has been established now hasn't it?

Human history is unfortunately littered with individuals literally and figuratively dying to do stupid shit for attention, and I doubt any amount of regulatory intervention will ever fix that. Hell, not even radical genome editing is likely to fix it - I suspect it's an emergent property of sentience.
- Text messages allegedly sent by Graven to his mother before his death paint a troubling picture. “I feel like I’m held hostage with their concept,” one message reportedly read. “I’m sick of it, I want to leave, but he does not want to let me, he keeps me from leaving.”
  That does not sound like "an individual doing stupid shit".
  
  Who is the He here? His co-streamer?
  
  Really? Because it sounds to me like somebody just became a kidnapper, torturer and murderer for attention. Different person admittedly, but same old story.
  
  Unfortunately the writer chose not to focus on that and investigate, but just take a jab at the platform since that was easier and would get more clicks.

People see this and still want fucking silicon valley startups to police what happens on the internet. The solution isn't censorship or community guidelines or AI moderation or any other cheap solution that can work at scale. The punishment for a death threat has been minimised to a ban. The punishment to sexual abuse has bee minimised to deplatforming.
We need platforms to platform and police to police.

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