Far-right populists top polls in Germany, France and Britain for the first time

Maybe if the left wing party that got in for the first time in 15 years actually behaved remotely like they should, this would not be happening in the UK

All Kier Starmer has managed to accomplish is vindicating the idiots that say "both sides are the same" and fuelling Reform's populism.

His government's current policy focus areas make Tony fucking Blair look like a socialist by comparison—and he earned the fucking red-tie Tory assessment of his policies.

vindicating the idiots that say "both sides are the same"
When a “left wing” party is still far right, the people who complain have a point. Yes, there is a difference between extreme right and far right, but in the absence of any meaningful leftist options, people will gravitate toward those they hope will implement actual change, even if the change is worse than every other alternative. This most often tends to be those who want to pull the world even further to the right.
Yeah. I naively thought that finally there might be some change now the fucking Tories have imploded, but no.
What a monumental turdpile.
- Same thing is happening in Australia. It's controlled opposition. The real leftists have been progressively out-capitaled from the center-left parties. Now their majority are corporate removed "centrist" neoliberals that continue to screw the workers, just slower than the center-right party, which is now a borderline fascist party.
  I'm still waiting for people to realise that we live in corporate dictatorships with the illusion of democracy; you can vote for whoever you want, but the oligarch-financed candidates are statistically guaranteed to win a majority 90+% of the time, coz capitalism. The major difference is how much lube they apply before they fuck you.
- Labour has been a joke of a party for the past 3 decades. The only reason they are in power right now is that the Tories actually managed to completely destroy the UK. Labour and the Tories are going to go the way of the Whigs the nezt election and will be replaced by Reform UK and Corbyn's new leftist party.
All these leftists become conservatives when their wealth is threatened.

Who the fuck looks at the US right now and thinks "I want that?"

Fascists
This is EXACTLY what leftists have been trying to warn liberals about. People everywhere are struggling under late stage capitalism. Centrists liberal parties like Labour, CDU/PSD, Renaissance, and PO are telling everyone that everything is great and the ship will right out soon. Meanwhile far right parties acknowledge that everything is fucked and they promise to punish "those responsibile" for it (they of course are referring to social minorities instead of the wealthy capitalists that are plundering our societies.
The current status quo parties if Europe either need to pivot their platforms to radical change and clamping down on the capital class whome literally everyone hates or they are simply paving the way for fascist takeovers.
- What happens instead is that the established parties decide they can win the voters back if they adopt far-right policies. We get extra-shitty governance and they still lose voters. It's a lose-lose situation but they're committed.
- If that were true then wouldn't leftists be winning in the polls? Why would Late Stage suffering cause a shift to the right? Makes no sense.
  You anti-liberal crowd seem like precisely the reason this kind of thing is happening. You're like a pipeline for people to go from socialists to Trump supporters and anarchists.
Angry people
- More like idiots
Vladimir Putin.

Are people not paying attention to how destructive these parties are to democracy?

Nope and by design from the media to keep them distracted from it. Get people riled up about trans people in toilets and asylum seekers in small boats rather than the rich destroying the planet and causing horrendous inequality in basic living.
- Tyrants are also usually to blame for the asylum seekers in small boats. The irony knifes me. They're often seeking asylum because they're fleeing a tyrant, and the response of the countries they try to find safe harbor in is to turn themselves into the very type of tyranny they were fleeing.
People want change, they promise change, no matter how bad of a change. That, coupled with a massive propaganda network made up of a few billionaires, and there you have it.
- No, they promise the world and then shit in your mouth. These people are being duped.
That's the whole point. Look to the now infamous Jubilee video of the man proudly claiming that he is indeed a fascist and he wants an authoritarian ethnostate.
Most people are essentially animals. 50% of the population doesn't have an inner monologue.

Man it's the 1920s all over again!

This is so depressing. I remember 10 years ago seeing how the world was changing, I was full of hope for the future, we were slowly becoming more socially accepting of minorities and it seemed to be slightly getting better. Now the progress didn't stop, it fucking reversed and shit is so much worse than it was. This makes me really sad.

The people pretending they cared about the gays and the minorities ignored people's basic human needs.
That's how we got here.
- Who got all the new wealth from increased productivity post 1980? The gays and minorities?
- "My wage-slaves are getting a bit too comfortable. Here's a bunch of money. Go fuck with them."
  Sociopathic Oligarchs
We are speedrunning robber-barrons through WW-II in one shot this time. What a ride. Can I get off, please?
That's why it's a called a "reaction"

WTF is happening in the world rn? Why are all the right wingers taking control? I thought it was just the US going through a crazy-stupid phase

Billionaires learned how to use the world wide web as an AI powered disinformation network
Social media. Muskrat, Zucc, Thiel, etc. are high on the fumes of the AI hype, and want that sweet AI money, from the surveillance state using AI.
- Well right now in the UK we voted for the supposed ~~left, centre,~~ centre right wing party (The UK has the same 2 party issue as the US more or less) and they reacted by being even more right wing than the right wing we just got rid who recently also just imploded their popularity and now we're stuck with the far right party next election because UK politics is such a caste based exclusive club that no one on the left or even real centre has enough political or monetary capital to form an opposition.
- and want that sweet AI money
  actually i think rich people don't really personally profit from extra money. They have already more money than they could ever spend to fulfill personal wishes. in that sense, the money is not "sweet".
  the reason they're hoarding so extreme levels of wealth is because they believe in "greatness", in being a part of something greater and bringing the world progress, one way or another. that's why "techno-optimism" is such a common theme among them. "mars settlement" might go in a similar direction, though that one has more reasons (jobs programs, mostly). it's more for a desire for greatness (you could call it imperialism, but without the bloodshed) more than a desire for money, i think.
I think you'll get a lot of different answers depending on who you ask, and i think liberalism and allowing other people their own opinion / interpretation of things is important. Yet here's my take:
There was a gross mis-interpretation of reality around the 2000s when people believed that we could lay down all violence and gross behavior and enter a "perfect, soft world" which was understood as an absence of sexism and nationalism, mostly. However, these are instincts so deeply rooted in people that you can't just "get them out" in any way, even if you try to create a social movement around "calling out" men who show sexist behavior. What happens instead is that these suppressed groups seek their own expression, and you end up with far-right populism.
- I don't want to love on this planet anymore
We can either blame the western political system for it or some other agents interested in making it fail...
Asimov's second foundation spoilers ::: spoiler spoiler As with the second foundation, it was strange to see psicohistory predicting so precisely the future, here it is very strange to see all western democracies fail at the same time :::
- The Foundation has been out for 75 years. I think we're past the time limit needed for spoilers
- Idk man, while it's possible that this is russian influence, I think it's beating around the bush and facing the fact that people are capable of being terrible all on their own* (talking about the manipulative people in politics, not the gullible citizens)
- I think this is the beginning of Foundation's Edge, tho. Second Foundation book deals with the First Foundation looking for the planet where that homes the Second and revolves around Arkady Darell
You're confused because you're existing in a censorship bubble.

You'd think what's going on in what used to be the US (now a crater of burning shit) would have been a lesson for the rest of you.

Do Not Vote Con If You Don't Want Life To Suck.

Stupid euros always talking mad shit about hep they're better than us and turn around and do the same dumb shit
- It's going to be worse than you have. Not the same, living there, seeing the things: Europe is on the verge of going the hardest right wing way again, trumpism will look like amateur far-right compared to what is about to go down here.
- Lol welcome to Lemmy tho
While it didnt kill the right wing populist parties, it did stall many of their efforts to get their chosen leaders into office. We shall see how the all shakes out.

It seems that democracy is beyond saving in the age of social media and all the misinformation that circulates there. I mean, you can't be that incredibly stupid if you live even halfway in reality.

You only have to look at the US to see very clearly how corrupt the goddamn neo-Nazis are and that the promises they make to their ignorant voters are nothing but lies. It's more than obvious that the US fascists are pursuing policies that are by no means in the interests of the people, but rather the work of a criminal syndicate, which is what they truly are. There is no difference between these barbarians and those in Europe – they are all agents of the power hungry billionaires and do nothing but pursue their interests, which is of course at the expense of the citizens.

Anyone who still doesn't understand this is living entirely in the imaginary parallel world that the Nazis have built together with their financial backers.

Since this obviously affects so many people and these people cannot be convinced with rational arguments, it is probably hopeless.

Democracy is on it's way out. Humanity is completely fucked on every fucking angle possible.
Democracy has always been the beard for Fascism since the creation of the US. It was a good lie to sell the people while the wealthy did whatever the fuck they want. Once you come to realize this everything makes sense and falls into place.
- That may be true for the US, but we're talking about Europe here, where many countries have a welfare state, workers' rights exist, and education is handled very differently. That's precisely why I find it even more incomprehensible how people can be so incredibly stupid and vote for Nazis who are not only inhuman racists, but also want to create US-style conditions in Europe.
- If you add the words “liberal, capitalist” in front of democracy, I agree with you. But I believe that democracy as a whole is a worthy ideal worth striving towards, in all areas of public life.

We’re all in hell.

Nah, the human species is finally being honest. This is what we are. We are shit.
- Well, maybe both of you are right, actually. We all suck so much and have been putting off a lot of responsibility for such a long time, and now it's coming back to roost. Kinda nuts to think about, that it works that way.

So glad the liberals, both in government and voters, that always lead us to fascism are so invested in shit like "respectability politics", politics "being boring" and being on their supposed intellectual high horse because "emotions are bad, you should never raise your voice when people are starving and being genocided, you're just the same as the far right." But then while saying this just doing mostly what the far right want, pretending it's somehow their idea. It's really working so well to stop them.

But then the liberals would happily throw us into fascism if it meant there was an "I told you so" they could somehow twist out of it to say to the left

I will give you that.
Although I hope you give me that taking this level of dissatisfaction and managing to get negligible gains while the populist far right turns it into an outright lead in the polls is a massive failure of the left.
I am pretty staggered at the absolute incapability to make a dent on this trend by anybody at this point. It takes some hardcore commitment to 20th, if not 19th century politics to suck this badly at this.
- Human nature seems to be a huge part of it. Blaming someone else for all your troubles is such a winning concept, it's really hard to fight against it. Plus actually having to acknowledge real issues and trying to fix them often comes with people having to change or sacrifice and that's a hard sell compared to someone just pretending to have perfect solutions and that everything will be fine.
  Sadly emotions win debates against facts almost every time.
- The left has been getting kneecaped by the center at every opportunity. Macron formed as far right of a government as he could despite the left taking the most seats in parliament. Labour kicked Corbyn out of the party for trying to take them back to actually focusing on the needs of workers and not capital. SDP in Germany only cares about making sure Israel is loaded up with all the missles and arms it needs to carry out it's genocide in Gaza. Liberals will give the reigns of power to the fascists before they ever make a concession to the left

The US is a huge cautionary tale that other countries would do well to heed. I see "Why don't the Americans do something??" all the time, but meanwhile, your country is creeping towards the same conclusion. "We'll do something to stop it if it gets too bad!" Yeah, that's what we said while the far-right continued to gather support.

I thought Nazism, Hitler and WWII was the cautionary tale? I wasn't present at the time, but i heard that Bad Things happened.
I also thought that after WWII, systems were put in place to ensure that it would not happen again. Where are these systems and why aren't they working?
- Right after WW2 pretty much every European country that still had colonial holdings in the Americas, Africa, and Asia went straight back to ruling them with a iron fist. Wars swept across the world outside of Europe and the Anglosphere. Wars of independence.
  To that point I don't think there were truly any safeguards put in place for minorities. Really it was just ban Nazi imagery and formation of European trade zones that would progressively include more governance cooperation eventually forming the EU.
  The safeguards in place were done to prevent EU member states from waring with each other, not safeguards for minorities or anyone outside of EU member states. Solution for Jewish people wasn't to make the EU safer for Jewish people, it was to take land elsewhere and make Israel. Anyone outside of EU member states including colonial holdings were fair game for mass destruction. A lot is made about the civil rights era in the US, European countries had there own versions of that too. The lesson of WW2 was that war sucks, wars should be fought on other continents, move the Jews to Israel. Modern civil rights in European countries had to be fought for as well post-WW2 but I think it was easier there because the minority groups were much smaller in number compared to the US so there was less racist blowback against social safety nets that non-whites could benefit from. Minorities were politically irrelevant until the past couple decades once the children grew up and population sizes grew and they started making it into significant political offices and corporate leadership positions. Now racists started feeling insecure a lot more regularly against the growing number of successful and visible minorities. People that were certain they weren't racist are finding themselves racist as minority populations are now in their surroundings rather than just a passing mention
- I thought Nazism, Hitler and WWII was the cautionary tale?
  It was. We fucked up. Badly. Now we're another cautionary tale.

Cause the far right did so well for the UK (Thatcher, Brexit, Boris, Liz Truss) - they want more????

It's about getting rich not making their nations better
- Plus hurting brown people
- We are living in the Age of the Grifter.
Its pretty easy to score points when the government is doing everything it can to become unpopular.

It's easy to blame Russia and China, but it's not really that. It's clear that this is a symptom that something is wrong, and that is stagnating or worsening living conditions, unhappiness with how society operates and people hearing that turn to reaction.

Left doesn't have an answer given how marginalized they are, all you get are center-lib parties that pretend everything is okay or that focus on liberal middle class issues. It's no surprise

The problem is simply humanity. At any given moment in time, there are a lot of these ugly, angry, nasty, unhappy people, and they want control of everything so they can take their anger out on those they hate. This is a natural human archetype. They are with us now, and they have ALWAYS been with us. The are the MAGAs and the European far right, they are the warlords that run various small nations, they are the Vikings, the Huns, the Mongols, the Romans, etc.
It was the Nazis in the 20th century, it's the MAGAs in the 21st. It's not that MAGA is copying the Nazis, they are both the same sort of people following the agenda that those people always follow - just generally making life miserable for as many innocent people as possible.
The archetype includes being arrogant and demanding, but that doesn't mean we have to allow it. Most of the time, a strong moral leader can keep the assholes at bay, but every now and then, someone drops the ball, and they gain power, and start fucking with the world. The 21st century Dems dropped the ball badly, over and over, and did nothing to prepare for the MAGA onslaught.
Even after decades of the worst possible election behavior, the Dems instantaneously defended MAGA, and declared the 2024 election "fair & square," before even waiting to see if there had been any review of the election at all. These people are treasonous criminals who will do literally anything. This election was the ONLY thing keeping him from getting a life sentence, how could anyone believe that this is the first election that he didn't cheat on?
We aren't going to defeat these people by appealing to their better nature, they have none. It's who they are, and who these people have always been. We tend to forget from generation to generation that we have to hold the line against the worst people in the world, because they are out there, and they are ALWAYS planning to take control. It's important to remember that, and fight them every single step of the way. We can't accept any excuses like we have to let them do it because we don't really know that the outcome will be bad until we do it. Yes we do, because we've let these people have their way over and over, and they ALWAYS kick us in the nuts.
We need to stop trying to kick the football that our enemy is holding.
- Depends on, the outer rings often have better nature that is being slowly eroded by hate fed from the inner rings.
  They get these people by trying to appeal to things liberals at least seem to glimpse over, then they give you scapegoats instead of real solutions. Then slowly they feed you even more "problems" that don't affect you, with scapegoats to get rid off, often with a web of conspiracies tying it all together.
  I was a Fidesz voter in 2010. They told me the previous government were radical communists, who will kick me out of college, then force my disabled ass to work in underpaid factory jobs, with mandatory overtimes that may not get paid for a while. I saw a lot of my girl classmates getting groomed as teens, and thanks to the fucked up laws of Hungary, it was all legal. I got targets to hate for it; feminists, who forced these girls to "marry rich guys ASAP"; and LGBTQ+ people as MSZP did not raise the AoC to match it to homosexual relationships, but lowered it for everyone.
  Then after 2010, my face got eaten by the leopards. On the day Fidesz added a "close in age" exception to our fucked up AoC laws to allow 17 year olds to prey on 12 year olds, I was so angry I couldn't sleep. I also was a young atheist who just didn't believe in a "Stalinist form of persecution of religion" (of which I got a horribly distorted description), but after how strongly religion got pushed by Fidesz, I started to gravitate towards stronger forms of secularism. And lastly the widely criticized implementation of mandatory internships only got solved for those in vocational education, meaning as a college student I would have had to paid a used car's price to a HR personnel to hire me, especially due to my autism, which at leas in one place thought was actually "intellectual disability, like in Forrest Gump".
- Congratulations, you've written probably the most hitlerite comment I've seen on Lemmy so far, and I'm genuinely concerned.
  Instead of investigating what makes people act this way in terms of material conditions, incentives and values that are promoted, maybe the way power is organized and how it leads to inevitable opportunism or this being an inevitability of a class dictatorship that we have now, you instead go for the "undesirables" angle.
  People didn't vote for the candidate you wanted because they were irredeemably evil. What do we do, kill all MAGA voters now for having the wrong human archetype? Prohibit them from voting? That only seems the natural conclusion from everything you wrote.

Schizo rant about media manipulation

We are isolated from the right wing side of it here but propaganda is dominating most media. Its really sophisticated and resourced by different states and groups.

On mainstream platforms open Nazi imagery and ideas go viral in hyper specific pockets. Its targeted at groups they think will be suspectable then those groups adopt it, wash it and then spread it. At this point its several stages in and most of the work is done by actual people for free.

They compile emotional imagery, videos and stories and blast them in the face of average people and it baits them hook line and sinker. If you can show a 35 year old white women clips of vicious attacks on women from refugees of the course of the year she will internalise it and become radical. These dont have to be recent she just needs to see them regularly. Strip context, make up different narratives for the same clip it doesnt matter.

With the lovely invention of social media and targeted advertising you can get your message put in front of these average people. People dont choose what they see, they just view what comes across their feed.

If you want to get a glimpse of the hellscape in which our adversaries are conditioned, I would urge you to peruse the MSN start page in Edge.
I’m forced to use Edge at my job. It’s honestly not bad. It even has a built in PDF editor!
However, every time my eyes glance at that start screen, my blood pressure skyrockets. It’s all blatant propaganda.
The best/worst part? THERE ARE COMMENTS…
- I checked it out. Ahh these people are lost souls.
the most sublte forms are copaganda, and military propaganda, to assure people that is right to support these people. is it a coincidence that these genre popped in the MSMs around the time of trumps 1st term, not really.
the news are blatantly bias because trumpers actually own these networks. as soon as you hear people quoting fox, or another MSN, they consume that garbage daily.

Ooof. That’s 50% of people who are CDU or AfD voters. As an immigrant in Germany, that’s terrifying.

Trans American, i fucking feel that pain and it only gets worse. If you can, please, not just vote, make sure everything is above board, hold everyone's hand you know to the fire. You are not hysterical, you are having a balanced sensible reaction to the fucking insane

This is because our empires declined, since which we’ve hidden behind Uncle Sam’s skirts, and now US hegemony is also beginning to fade. People go to reactionary populism when they’re afraid.

I'm afraid of the reacrionaries, they're destroying my country, i fully expect to be genocided; where's my suthoritarian?

So it appears that ~30% of people in any given population are evil. That tracks.

This is bewildering. As an American citizen who has no idea how the actual fuck we wound up with another Trump presidency, all I have to say is, if you live in any other country and think the answer is to import this bullshit into your own country, I have no sympathy for you.

election was rigged like 3 times, plus Dems wont do anything, they are afraid of being labed the riggers by the conservative. at least the old guard is very complicit with the gop(they benefit from his tax cuts, and many are Dinos themselves)
That’s the thing. We have a foresight Americans don’t necessarily have and we’re still making a mess. It’s an even more damming reflection of our society.
As an American citizen who has no idea how the actual fuck we wound up with another Trump presidency,
I can help you, here.
We skipped the primary and coronated Liz Cheney as our party leader.

I wonder, how can people look at what Trump/MAGA has done to the US and think to themselves "I want THAT for my country".

I feel that in 50 years from now there will be documentaries about how the Russians won over Europe and the US by influencing voters and just straight up frauding right wing parties into the government.
I refuse to believe that many people are this stupid/brainwashed to fall for literal 1930's Nazi propaganda.
- IF there will be a free enough country to make this documentary

Holy hell, what a comment section. I'm seeing Americans calling out Europeans for being all talk about what America is supposed to do, several people lamenting impending doom, and more blame targeting the ultra wealthy.

Our future needs to be Solarpunk and have class mobility. Do something for your community this week. The answers lie with the people that think differently than you. De-propagandize your neighbor by giving them a shared enemy. Nothing binds people together like conflict. While we're at it, encourage boxing matches between government officials. Mabne then we'll keep younger, highly motivated individuals in office.

My fellow Europeans, fight! Keep fighting until we drive them back to their basements!

Honestly, this is way past that point now.
I know an otherwise perfectly normal middle-aged woman who has booked herself train tickets to a pro-Tommy Robinson protest march in London next month.
It's not National Front skinheads with dog whistle tattoos any more. It's hit the normies. If they want the normies back, the ruling parties are going to have to stop putting asylum seekers in local hotels in shithole towns like mine, because it's just going to take a spark to set this whole country ablaze right now. They need to get processing people to an insane level, build actual accommodation to house them (because this isn't stopping any time soon).
The whole asylum process needs a radical overhaul, like being able to apply for it without having to trek across the world (go to an embassy for example, and then get distributed to countries according to their means). If they carry on with this "we have to take them in because they made it to our country and it's the law" routine, the whole continent will fall to fascism. If sane rulers do not listen to the people, they will turn to monsters to fix their perceived problems.
- I'm sorry, but the fact our peoppes are doing fascism because immigrants and trans people just goes to show how much we suck. We SHOULD be able to just do it and not collapse

Damnit I was planning to move to Germany in the next year or so and now I feel like it'll just be out of the frying pan into the fire.

I feel this trying to move to the Netherlands. My only solace is that the quality of life there is so measurably better there than it is where I am now. They would have to fall a lot further to get to the same dogwater conditions as the US, so there is some buffer time.
- We're still fighting here and still have a free press. Join us.

Uh oh

Thanks Liberalism, preciate it! /s

Do not split.

But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.
And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.
If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

https://sh.itjust.works/post/42969194

told ya so. fascism in europe!

welp time to get a rifle and move to the woods.

Anyone who speaks the language / can go through to that RTL site able to tell us the specifics of the poll done? Like what was used for a sample, confidence level, etc.

One thing I've seen in other areas are polls claiming broad support for right wing politics, based on internet polls that have huge bias / confidence issues -- like in Canada, they claim Alberta's suddenly separatist, based on online polls where they can't verify the respondents were even in Alberta. Elevating that sort of non-poll to news-worthy story is likely a combination of click bait journalism and right-wing/US propaganda biased.

Die Daten zu den Parteipräferenzen, zur politischen Kompetenz und zu den Wirtschaftserwartungen wurden vom Markt- und Meinungsforschungsinstitut forsa im Auftrag von RTL Deutschland im Zeitraum vom 5. bis 11. August 2025 erhoben. Datenbasis: 2.505 Befragte. Statistische Fehlertoleranz: +/- 2,5 Prozentpunkte.
Die Daten zur Zufriedenheit mit Friedrich Merz sowie zum Fortbestand der Regierungskoalition wurden im selben Zeitraum (bzw. vom 8. bis 11. August 2025) erhoben. Datenbasis: 1.001 Befragte. Statistische Fehlertoleranz: +/- 3 Prozentpunkte.
(rough) Translation:
Data for party preference, political competence and the expectations for market development were collected by market- and opinion research institute forsa for RTL Germany in the time frame from 5. to 11. August 2025. Basis for analysis: n=2505, error tolerance +/- 2,5 percent points.
Data for approval of Friedrich Merz and about the continuation of the coalition in power were collected in the same time frame (or rather from 8. to 11. August 2025). Basis for analysis: n=1001, error tolerance +/- 3 percent points.
I looked up the current ownership structure of RTL, which is owned mainly by the Bertelsmann Group; It doesn't look like there was much bias at play here on a cursory glance.
- Thanks, I appreciate the help.
A Wild Mimic's info is what you asked for, but for what it's worth, you can just look at the election that happened earlier this year to see if it passes the smell test (and it does):
The AFD won 20% of the vote in the election earlier this year and then the incoming chancello passed a policy with the old parliament (as leader of the opposition still) that would change a financial rule that would have no chance to pass once the new parliament was seated (because the AFD and most of his own party opposed the change), so a lot of the people who voted CDU/CSU (his party) felt betrayed and said "fuck it, I'll vote AFD next time"

Time to just burn everything to the ground I guess

POC around the world just took a deep breath.

Queer folks too

tosses last shred of hope over my shoulder

Europeans have a legitimate brain rot issue. There's so much information that their little brains get a stack overflow.

Every time I go back to Europe I'm blow away by quality of life improvements as well as the endless whining and just the insanity of the information landscape. It's just tabloid after tabloid creating problems where there aren't any.

Oh no ....

Canada got the message. Why don't you?

Canada didn't get the message. Poilievre's Conservative Party won 24 new seats and came within 2% of plurality. They just didn't get the landslide election pollsters were predicting a few months earlier.
That's nothing compared to the Labour Ba'ath Party-esque majority Starmer was handed last year. And it's a bit crazy that UK Labour has fallen so far and so fast, by doing dick all about the tanking economy while demanding you make eye contact with a state censor while you jerk it.
Schultz and Macron have similar problems. People hate them, and for good reason.
- Labour has lost more support by its benefit cuts to the disabled and its willingness to kowtow to US defence corporation lobbying to suppress Palestine Action. Relative to those violations of fundamental rights and basic human decency, the porn ID brainfart is just noise.

I am not surprised. Europe isn't constant on the same level of racism across it but it's definitely worse everywhere compared to the US. A lot more acceptable to say something racist to non-white people and then be like, it's just a joke have a sense of humor just trying to lighten the mood. Like step into a bar and be the wrong color and the music stops and you're stared at (not joking random bars in Dusseldorf and Stuttgart)

East and nordics worse than west but the west has Italy and Spain. Even then, better in the west but outside of the large cities that are also international tourist destinations it's rough to not be white.

And then the significance of far right political parties and neo Nazi orgs always looked worse in Europe to me. In the US the 2 party system dulls out identity politics a bit even though it's getting worse whereas a 5-30% minority party that's primarily about ethnocentrism is fully possible across European countries and wield a strong influence in coalition forming. In the US, be more scared of law enforcement organizations. Europe fear more the young populace hanging around and the old people staring and progressively law enforcement organizations

Trump was not going to stymie interest in right wing politics for much time at all. It would give way to nationalism. Anti-globalisation that always gives way to anti-immigration that always gives way to anti whatever skin color or religion isn't the majority. Nationalism. Europe's boiling point for centuries. Even before Trump 1 were far right/neo Nazi orgs growing in size across Europe. In my opinion because of how much more of Europe is closer to ethnostates than the US, Europe can quickly devolve into far worse than the US faster. Benefits of Europe for non-whites is the better social safety nets but in terms of institutionalized/unaddressed racial bias/casual racism - all over Europe it's worse than the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. The US just makes more headlines.

A joke is that the worst thing for Mexico is being next door to the US. The joke can swap the US for Europe and stick pretty much every country across Asia, Africa, and Oceania for Mexico. If you go back before like Monroe, replace the US with European countries for the former native nations in the americas

Talk about assimilation of immigrants in Europe compared to the US always sounded weird to me. Like there needs to be some major pervasive program to make immigrants like locals however the US manages to do. In the US first and second gen immigrants mostly live in neighborhoods composed of similar background people like Europeans complain about and then by 3rd generation they're mostly fully assimilated but disadvantaged minorities if they're not white but also not necessarily doing worse economically. Usually disadvantaged socially. Disadvantaged in media. There's plenty of effort for higher represeation for black people in everything but like no effort for non-black minorities. Assimilation programs in the US are practically non-existent or nothing burgers. Little effort just Americans mostly don't think about assimilation programs. Assimilate to what defined culture. Things monoculture from the ones born in the US. Out in Europe people are so close to saying reeducation camps for immigrants

TL;Dr "we throw brown people in ghettos so we don't see how much more racist our country is"
- Ghettos to me are just the natural destination. People these days try to conflate immigrants all as wealthy immigrants to downplay immigrant successes in upward mobility but pretty sure most non-white people across Europe and the US came over as refugees/asylum seekers usually from wars from invading Americans and Europeans. My impression of what immigrants across Europe are mad about and it's all former colonial holdings that were Muslim countries and have been proxy war central since after the Ottoman empire fell.
  They're broke. They're traumatized from a warzone and/or poverty (level of poverty unfamiliar to Americans and Europeans) and then traumatized again from the uprooting their life from tgeir community to another country where they will undoubtedly face some level of racism and language barrier
  They're broke so of course they'll end up in poor communities and communities of similar background where they can function day to day with less language barrier issues. Language barrier assimilation. Classic and ongoing solution for people is their children learn the language in elementary/middle school and as elementary/middle school children, they're helping their parents fill out paperwork and talk to doctors/school admins/whoever. Why are children of immigrants so resilient and resourceful but oftenly not so whimsical as kids with long lineages in a country, those children often are doing adult stuff from a very early age to support old people in the community that have trouble learning the countries language. Early age responsibilities mentally age kids quick
  Then as the children grow up make money and the neighborhood economically stabilizes from a large community of hard working immigrants, now the white people want to move in for all the high quality food and grocery stores. Not the best landscaping and fresh paint buildings, but possibly the most convienent neighborhoods to live in now that the neighborhoods economically grown and stabilized.
  So convienent and ethnic while still mostly anyone under the age of like 50 can speak the countries primary language. There's very little active efforts to force assimilation. It's just children that grow up watching the same media as all the other children wanting to fit in growing up. I don't know what assimilation program even means when Europeans keep talking about it's necessity and using the US as a measuring stick of assimilation program success. The US barely does anything in that regard. Just let's it play out over a couple generations

Problem: Idiots calling women men when they are, in fact, women.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/minnesota-teen-says-server-forced-prove-gender-restaurant-bathroom-rcna224562
Pro-tip: Someone elses gender identity is none of your fucking business.
Moral purity testing on the left has reached exhausting and reality defying levels.
- I get the impression that feminist movements in the late 2000s got the impression that they'd no longer "need men" and that they could safely dispose of them. that's why you see so many comments talking badly about "men".
  surprise, 2020 election saw 25% of young men (aged 18 - 30) vote for far-right politicians. and so-called feminists really have the audacity to ask "how could this happen?" duh.