Microsoft Finally Realizes Nobody Wants Its Windows 11 Preinstalled Bloatware
Five more Microsoft apps nobody uses will have the uninstall option enabled soon.
Tldr: Remote desktop, Cortana, camera, people app are all getting uninstall buttons.
Why remote desktop? I can understand the rest. But who uninstalls default apps and doesn't use remote desktop?
Great. Now give them a couple more years to learn they shouldn't be installed by default in the first place.
I think the list of "apps" (AKA junk) people would actually like to deinstall is quite a bit longer.
How about uninstalling edge? It is only needed to download Firefox, anyway.
It sure took them a while, but they seem to finally allow folks to personalize their experience. I'm not going to complain about it, though – this is definitely a good change.
Not far enough. It'd be lovely if I could scale Windows down to almost 7 gigs or so (what windows 10 is, probably should be lower) But the thing is Windows in general is just a bloated piece of crap that continues to grow.
Wait, so of the five apps they will "let" you uninstall now, one makes little sense to have in the consumer edition (remote desktop - which is effectively enabled in Pro only) and one is getting deprecated (Cortana - bye bye!).
The remote desktop they are talking about is the client app used to connect to remote systems.
The remote desktop feature that's limited to Pro is the ability for the system to receive remote connections.
Great!! I thought they'd never do it!
The more steam deck and proton get games working on linux, the less need I have for this bloated windows.
It's truly ridiculous how much Linux gaming leapfrogged with the Steam Deck. I'm contemplating installing a debian partition for my main PC since I don't really play a lot of games that need anti-cheat.
The madlads really did it.
I've been gaming on Tumbleweed now for a month and my issues are minor enough that a tweak or two gets me flawless performance - and that's if there's an issue. Highly recommend embracing the penguin, comrades.
I installed Fedora on a seperate SSD, and I now dual-boot alongside Windows 11. It took a bit of time and tweaking until I felt comfortable with using Fedora as my daily driver, but it's been great.
Everything is smooth and fast, and I have all the apps I need. Well, almost. I subscribe to Game Pass, and have a couple of Steam games that don't run on Linux, so I have to boot into Windows when I want to play those games. Other than that, it's all great.
It's a very general advice, but for gaming rolling release distros are usually best. Gaming community on Linux usually favors Fedora or Arch-based distros.
Been a Linux-only gamer for a year now. The hype is real and PC gaming has changed forever. Most people just hesitate to actually leave Windows behind, but the grass on the other side is much, much greener.
I made the switch and everything I want to play works. Some of it needed a bit of tweaking, though. Luckily instructions exist, and some began working with new Proton updates. It's a good time to be a gamer on Linux.
I just hope feature parity happens before MS make their move to reduce windows pcs to literally zero clients that simply stream ´your´ OS to your screen from the cloud.
Don’t need a pc for much but god damn if I don’t want to play my games on my pic when I want. Online, offline, whatever.
It's pretty much at parity. The only straggler I am aware of is ray tracing on the AMD side (supported on their driver package, but not yet with the driver included in the Linux kernel). I never use it anyway because I have a 6600 XT and don't want to play a slideshow.
All we need is starfield on Linux :)
I'm all for less bloat ware, but come one. The camera app or remote desktop are the least shitty ones. Its borderline to call them even bloatware.
To be clear, they seem to be saying that those apps will still be preinstalled. They'll just be easier to uninstall if you want to do so.
"option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client. "
I thought they dropped support for Cortana. Is she back (maybe as "The Weapon")?
Yeah, having the option is not a bad thing. Nothing changes for those who use the apps or want them there, but it lets people remove them if that's what they want.
My issue is the Solitaire and games. We have Win11 for Business (Switching to Enterprise soon) and I have to run a powershell script during Intune/oobe to rip out all the bloat.
But Windows always came with Solitaire - even 30+ years ago. It was included originally to teach users how to use a mouse. Solitaire makes you click, double click and drag.
Removing Solitaire caused its own backlash. They can't win with that one.
Windows 11 ships with a shitty featureless version of the remote desktop client. You have to download the "real" or "full" version from the Windows app store.
I found this out incidentally a few weeks ago and it is annoying having the app you need and some random imposter app with the same name clogging up search / start menu.
Agreement. But they are not removing them so much as adding the option to uninstall them right? So functionally it's thereof needed still.
RDC could be a good option to uninstall for businesses where the machine acts as a terminal and you don't want those devices launching RDC to begin with Not sure why it hasn't been allowed already.
Every company I've worked for so far had me use RDC at some point, either to connect to a server or to an app.
Let's cut the crap: it's not that they "realized" nobody wants it -- it's that they've come to accept the blowback against their reputation has gotten too big to outweigh the potential pros of preinstalled bloatware supporting their strategy.
Do you think titles like that are a result of a severely myopic mind, unable to even comprehend why a corporation would willingly do something that their users dislike, or just clickbait?
I think it's a soft heading - they could be more honest and blunt, but a history of reporting like that may jeopardize any relationship they might have with Microsoft - with regards to press releases or advertising money and stuff like that.
I don't find it plausible that the people at pcmag, who's reported in this domain for a long time, can't see past such light corporate fuckery.
Snarky anthropomorphization primarily serving clickbait and liability-limiting, I think, pretty clearly.
Really, the headline could just be "Microsoft To Allow Removing Preinstalled Apps", or "Bloatware Apps will be Removable After Windows 11 Update", or something like that. But the way they worded it lets them both sound more sarcastic to people who are pissed off by the scummy practice, and at the same time also sound plausibly less direct in calling Microsoft out.
I mean, every OS out there beyond (maybe?) some hardcore Linux distros preinstalls this stuff though. Some (but not all) will let you remove it. None really make it "easy" or give you choices during install.
I think it's just easier to treat all apps the same than special casing some and then having to install other hacks to get around the first ones for managed systems. It's cheaper to treat them all the same.
All Linux distros give you the choice of installing and uninstalling whatever you want.
Yeah, but when you boot a linux machine the cpu goes down to 0% load after you log in and stays there. Microsofts bloat runs in the background constantly. A windows laptop turns the fan on randomly when the lid was closed for a fucking day.
They always knew, they just didn't care.
Im running Windows 11 on my new laptop. Every major update it's like:
My laptop officially supports Ubuntu, think I might make the switch full time. I don't game on my laptop and most of it's use is browser, plex and emails...
First off love the way you described them. Secondly, it reminds me of how microsoft keeps trying to charge my empty fake credit card I use for Xbox game pass. (You need to put a credit card to get any free month so I use a dummy). I get an email when they charge it literally twice a week like PLEASE JUST A SCRAP OF MONEY
I’ve got a scheduled task that checks every 3 seconds if edge is running and kills it. It’s Called fuckedge.ps1
Or they thought forcing them on you made them money and care about nothing else. Now they've realized it's a net negative.
They will just be replaced with something else that you can't remove.
Realized?? They knew all the time, and didn't give a shit.
It's more likely that they have pushed too far, and users are pushing back. They will dial it back a bit, and hope people forget.
They'll just wait until more people migrate to 11, then push their shit again, because then users won't have as much energy to give M$ the finger
Yup 99,9% bait and switch
That, and stop dumbing down the UI. Gradeschoolers in 1999 could operate windows, it doesn't need to get dumber
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Boomers are still struggling even with the modern, simplified UI. They would likely continue to struggle if we had Idiocracy style UI on things (big, bright colored buttons with pictures of what they do).
Gradeschoolers, yes.
Not so much anymore. Gradescoolers all grew up on iPads and are probably worse off than boomers.
Er, it's not the boomers who are struggling. They're barely even in the workforce anymore.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/grow-google-2019/smartphone-generation-computer-help/3127/
I know it's fun to rag our boomer parents and grandparents but it was boomers who designed the older, "complex" UI for usage by other boomers. Since boomers are now dropping out of the workforce (25% of it right now) it seems likely that the UI is being dumbed down for the much larger Gen-X/Millennial/Gen Z workforce.
Apparently a large portion of the population, regardless of generation, proudly announces their tech illiteracy. I'm IT, and these people don't even remember their personal email passwords.
LoL, tell that to every fucking child and teenager who have been using an iPhone, iPad and MacOS for all their lives. It's unbelievable how stupid you can get when you're locked into a walled garden and the OS you're using is designed for three year olds. I have a buddy who's mainly a Mac and iPhone guy, and I fuck you not, he doesn't know how to use anything else. He'll just stare at the screen and simply don't understand what to do.
Agreed. I have been working so hard to get my young kids to understand file systems, directory structures, keyboard shortcuts, etc; all that stuff that just never gets learned anymore with all the iOS/Android interactions.
I’m building a new PC for myself in the next few weeks and if they want to continue playing Genshin/Starcraft2/BeamNG/Trackmania on my older PC as it becomes the “Family PC” they will need to sit with me and learn how to reassemble it, install Windows, attaching peripherals, and setup a few basic things.
That’s the price and that’s the reward.
Many of us grew up in a world where you had to figure this shit out or simply not have a working computer/piece of software.
1999 gradeschoolers not today's Gradeschoolers with win98
They've always realized, they've just never cared.
They did care, they just cared about the money instead.
Yeah what a weird title, they know exactly what they are doing.
Using Windows primarily for gaming, I eventually got tired of some of the issues I had with it (ads appearing in the start menu). I gave Linux a try and it was so so for a while. I kept going back and forth but it's been 2 years now and I haven't had Windows installed and can play 90% of my games without issue. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone. But for those that primarily use their computer for gaming and non-windows specific applications (like web browsing or other various things), Linux is offering some competition for desktop people.
linux seems to work pretty well until it doesnt and then it really doesnt work. seems that there's still some hardware incompatibility issues
That's why I stopped using it at home (apart from stuff like like NAS, routers, etc).
This was a few years ago so perhaps it's been addressed now. I installed Ubuntu and downloaded Steam to install. It wouldn't. I can't remember exactly why but I had to find answers online and quickly gave up.
I turned that laptop on over a year later and Ubuntu was out of date and needed upgrading. It couldn't install the latest version because it needed to upgrade to versions in between, some of which have been moved to archive. I installed Windows 10 instead.
I'm responsible for a couple of Linux servers at work so I'm sure I could have addressed these issues at home, but I really couldn't be bothered when I have better things to spend my time on. I just wanted a working Laptop that gets used occasionally.
I agree completely. I've been lucky enough to have only an issue where Steam keeps my computer from sleeping regardless of power save settings. I've had friends that have tried the same set up as me, and for some reason the computer fails to boot after a simple upgrade (apt upgrade). So I really do mean it when I wouldn't recommend it. But if someones feeling adventurous it can be fun to try out and see if it works for you.
What games fall into the 10% that don't play?
(Genuinely asking--I've been considering the switch.)
It's mostly going to be games that use anti-cheat software (though some work on Linux.)
So if you're someone who likes to bounce around to the hot new competitive online multiplayer title then Linux probably wont serve your needs right now. If you can't think of a single esports title you want to play, once you install Steam and Lutris you'll probably find nearly everything you want to play works.
Mostly games with anticheat or very new games. Everything else pretty much just works especially older games. I needed to visit pcgamingwiki all the time to get older games to work on windows but for linux I mostly just visit protondb and find out I don't need to do anything or need to just put in launch command. System shock 1 was the only game I had to actually go through a process to get it running with audio.
The biggest one I miss, and it works, but the anti-cheat keeps me from my favorite servers is anything from the Red Orchestra series. I really enjoy their newer game Rising Storm 2 but the vast majority of the servers are protected with an anti-cheat that keeps me from joining. I've found a couple servers that don't use the anti-cheat and I can play on those, but they're not quite the same as some of the servers I have as favorites that are playable on Windows. Otherwise, most things generally work good, biggest problem is with launchers, and even those can be bypassed or fixed, but I've gotten to the point in my life where I just want things to work without having to remember what config files I've changed or futz with that may break in the future. The other games that I've had that don't work may as well now, but honestly I've forgotten what they were. One that I don't play, that I know a lot of people do is Destiny and I saw that they'll ban you if you try on Linux. But I've only heard that as I haven't played that on PC.
Check out protondb.com for a pretty great resource in what games work/kind of work/don't work on linux (with proton specifically, which is how most people play Windows games on Linux). It's far more accurate than even Steam's own "verification" system for Steam Deck.
It's pretty amazing what they've done with it over the past few years.
beyond anti-cheat and "just came out" there's one more category that often doesn't work: not-new, obscure games.
Anything that isn't pretty new and/or pretty popular may need to you run through some hoops to get running right.
If you like jumping from game to game a lot, I wouldn't recommend Linux, but if you stick to a few and play them for a long time (and you don't mind the extra work it is to learn a new OS) I think it would be worth making the switch.
I would but the only thing holding me back is the lack of HDR support in Linux. Windows 11 is currently the only desktop OS to implement it properly (10's HDR is a joke), so I'm stuck with it
Great point. I still don't have an HDR monitor but that could be nice. Plus, if everything's working for you no need to switch it up! It's great that Microsoft is adding the ability to remove some of the programs a lot of people don't / wont use without having to copy and paste powershell commands. I remember there were some scripts / instructions on how to uninstall what would otherwise be uninstallable programs by opening a powershell as an administrator. I don't have anything against Windows, I just got tired of having so many ads put into my start menu and ads in the weather widget they added to the task bar after I paid $100+ for the OS way back when. But I'm not sure how their handling the "price" of Windows now.
The ads in Windows 11 are a dogshit feature, but you can turn them off in the settings.
Yea I've always found that complaint odd. I just assumed everyone who makes it also has the activate windows watermark, and thus can't access the option.
I don't give a shit, I'll use other programs to uninstall whatever I want.
Call me when I can use a vertical task bar. Until then, I'm sticking with win10.
linux intensifies
And the lucky thing is M$ cannot force windows 11 upgrade or drop windows 10 support for a long time.
This is all so foreign to me now. I'm not forced to keep anything on Linux.
How to tell if someone uses Linux? Don't worry they will tell you.
It's the new iOS vs Android with everyone acting like tribal high schoolers weeee
Yeah, I was painfully reminded of that when Ubuntu helpfully uninstalled xwayland for me on an ‘apt upgrade’…
Not even systemd?
I just googled "Linux distro without systemd" and google gave me a list of 11 right off the bat without even having to click any links. So yeah, not even systemd.
You can just install another init system
I’m not forced to keep anything on Linux
KNotes has entered the chat…
Edit: apparently it’s not KNotes proper - just the built-in KDE sticky notes applet that is bundled with the environment and is impossible to remove if you want to use KDE Plasma.
it's crazy to think that you can't just uninstall some apps in the first place even though it would be technologically possible
a beta build of Windows 11 in the Canary Channel includes the option for the first time to uninstall the Camera app, Cortana app, Photos app, People app, and the Remote Desktop client.
Still no Microsoft edge though...
No longer providing a browser with a consumer operating system is a bad idea. How would you install another browser?
They just need to stop plugging and advertising it so relentlessly.
Sure it's okay they come with a browser, but you should be able to uninstall edge after you've downloaded another browser
That's the Windows 95 lawsuit all over again. They forced internet explorer on people, got sued for creating & exploiting a monopoly, lost, and had to offer people the chance to remove it.
They claimed it's integral part of the OS, and so were forced to un-integrate it.
I'm sure they will find a way to give users a choice to get rid of Edge, if they really wanted to were forced yet again.
Is there a way to disable the ads, news and recommendations yet? Until then I'm not upgrading.
Try this https://christitus.com/windows-tool/
It's the integrated AI spying on you that is real concern
#everythingisainow
Wait: They are saying you can remove the Remote Desktop client? You mean the client you cannot use to connect to a Windows Home license because you cannot run remote desktop without a higher license?
Interesting flex there Microsoft.
feels like a bit of a strawman.
arguing that you can't use the client without the license for the server... on the same machine, is silly. There's tons of utility with the client even if you don't have the server license locally, especially if you ever use the Remote Desktop Client remotely.
Yeah, read what I am commenting on: Microsoft is letting you remove it. Seems like it is a handy item, certainly not as annoying as an ad or anything. And I also am commenting on how it is so useful, why do they ban the server from their home product?
This just seems like a really weird item to say: finally! you can remove the RDP client! Just like nobody ever asked for!
Lmao
If I could also get the ability to disable internet search results from the start menu that'd be great. So sick of looking for a file or app, hitting enter a second too soon, and having Edge slowly eat my resources to display a Bing search result that I never wanted.
That is fixable via regedit, I believe.
But yeah, I've recently fully migrated to Linux and can run Windows in a virtual machine if I ever need it for work. In setting that up, it made me realize just how much junk and telemetry is included by default in Windows 11 and how sluggishly it runs compared to Linux.
Use everything to search. It just works and can replace the search button in the start menu
You can turn that off in Group Policy if you have the Pro version of Windows.
Good, maybe in two or three more years Windows 11 will be useable. Right on time for Windows 12 to roll out and drag Microsoft users back to the Stone Age again.
If the pattern holds Windows 12 might actually be good
If the pattern holds windows 12 will be windows 14.
Relative to w*ndows 11.
That "pattern" (and I know it's probably meant to be more of a joke) is skewed to make it look like it's true. If 98 and 98 SE are separate for example, so should Windows 8.1 be, because it was quite a different beast from 8(.0). Actually, 8.1 was very solid, it had a lot of the "under the hood" improvements that Windows 10 had, but wasn't nearly as bloated.
Windows 10 or 11 are on a similar level of "bloated mess" to me, with Windows 10 having the advantage of an LTSC version existing, which is essentially an official "debloat". I'll probably jump to Windows 11 LTSC when it releases sometime in (likely) 2024.
I'm a CG artist and I dual boot Fedora on my workstation and run it on my file/license server. I'm very familiar with Linux and it's great for a lot of things.
A ton of my software runs much better than on windows and I would stay in it if I could, but unfortunately I have software needs that don't run on Linux and can't work in a VM in full capacity.
MacBook / Linux Server combo is meta.
I'm sorry, but "I dual boot Fedora," has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I've ever heard. Not to besmorch your choice at all, just the way it sounds is hilarious.
I'm sorry, but "I dual boot Fedora," has to be one of the most hipster/nechbeard sounding phrases I've ever heard.
First of all, if you want to insult someone, at least get the spelling right.
Secondly, there's nothing "nechbeard"-y or hipstery sounding about it at all. It's a tool. You use tools to do work.
If you want to assign some weird social construct to it to validate your own choices, that's fine. Just keep those opinions to yourself because no one cares about them, and they make you look small.
Windows 11 Pro, now with NOTHING installed. Windows 11 Pro plus, now with firefox pre-installed so you can clame your system never had edge on it!
They always knew. When the time comes they'll force everything back with even more bloatware and even less freedom to choose because that's the corpo way. This is just another long-term power grab.
Yeah agreed. They've been pushing this (and losing) since the days of Windows phone. We don't want the phone and we don't want the apps.
Alternatively, you can get a copy of Win 10 LTSC that doesn't have any bloatware pre-installed.
You can also select language English (World) and that also doesn't have any bloat for what I've seen
That cool. So stuck on a decade old OS.
Windows is a cancer y’all let run rampant while worrying about side loading, App Stores and removable batteries.
Meanwhile MS has doubled down on their monopoly, all the while going all in on the “Windows as service”, which as many of you have discovered, is about ads and telemetry over actual improvements to the core OS.
flips water bottle
I have to use Adobe Creative Suite for my job. By have to, I mean have to, because I get client files that are in proprietary formats, and my RIP software is only available for PC. It doesn't matter if I would prefer going back to XP, or even 3.1; that's simply not an option for me professionally.
Also, my work station doesn't belong to me, and you can be that if I changed the OS to a linux distribution I'd be looking for a new job pretty goddamn fast.
What about one drive and edge?? Last time I had to do updates on the SOs computer I told her I'm switching her to Linux as soon as gaming just gets a little more stable (she plays halo infinite, which sometimes isn't that polished on Linux)
You cant remove edge because half of this nightmare bloat relies on it to function.
So you cant switch to Linux because you rely on a microsoft peoduct?
I admire how Microsoft keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again. At some point a decade and a half ago everyone was laughing at them for having IE, then already understood as a buggy and insecure piece of crap, running in the windows kernel space, with them explaining (in some lengthy Ars Technica piece) that it was depended upon from everywhere, and that the windows kernel internals were practically a tangled hell.
I suppose they finally got out of their way to remove IE, just in time to establish blink in its place. The king is dead, long live the king, I guess.
Wake me when you can uninstall the Chat app without powershell (which I assume is a thing but don't use Win11 so I don't know)
I remember reading recently that they'll be removing Teams integration so that should do it.
every few reboots it asks me to install it and it's really fucking annoying and I have a feeling I'm not going to have a choice at some point. my wife installed it accidentally and now she's fucked. the thing fucking sucks.
wife installed it accidentally and now she’s fucked
Do you guys have kids by any chance? If so, that means MS is a mother fucker.
no i think children are disgusting
Mmm that's not really realizing anything.
You know what sort of tom fuckery I had to get into to get my gaming laptop working? I had to find a sketchy windows 10 LTS IOT ISO, run some registry hack then find and install all my drivers just because the regular working consumer edition of windows is such a bag of bloat..
For hardware I paid for..! Next time I'm just going with system76 right out of the gate. I just kept reading reviews about things not working right or still being in development so I bought a mainstream laptop with a warranty.
A lot of linuxy or FOSS sort of stuff is still buggy despite being better than it was ten years ago. No one talks about it. Purism phone, pine phone, Linux gaming, the steam deck, etc. They all have major flaws or sometimes breaks in functionality. Where mainstream has breaks 1/10 even the best Linux setup has breaks 1/5 of the time minimum. And that's great but it still sucks that you have to look elsewhere because mainstream is a monetization sponge in all senses of the phrase.
I use windows at work, and it's the most annoying OS. so many small annoying behaviours that Microsoft will never fix. If it was a Linux dist I could fix those things, I can't pull the source code for the windows window manager and change the stuff I don't like. Linux gives me that freedom, and I love Freedom.
So much drama. Anyone still using Windows must not dislike the behavior enough to switch.
I've used Linux for over 10 years now because I disliked this Microsoft culture even back then with Windows 8 or whatever it was back then. Why are people still using Windows today when Linux is easier than ever?
Windows 7 was a good OS, it tended to not spy on the user. You can see the difference in installation options if you put it into a virtual machine and run it. Compare with today's windows.
Then compare Linux distros 10 years ago with current ones. Only gotten easier to use and much better looking.
How do you know if somebody has Linux on their desktop?… They'll tell you. I'm currently on Windows 10 Pro but have used a number of different Linux distros since the mid-90s. I also had to have Windows because of work requirements but now that I'm retired, I may go back to Debian or Kali.
Hehe yeah that's true. But we are so happy with it and we really want others to not contribute to the surveillance capitalism.. :)
Windows user here, have used Linux here and there too:
Gaming. It's gaming. Yes, Linux has workarounds and options, and some people are super knowledgeable and willing to go through those hoops. I'm not, not anymore.
I spent a little bit of time hunting down and eliminating W11's annoying behaviors, and now I don't mind it at all, and I get to just jump in games with very little hassle.
I'm pretty excited about the future of Linux gaming now that steam OS exists and Linux is a super viable target for developers, though
Right because windows also continues to make things easier to use and does the bare minimum to maintain modern aesthetics and most people like it or not just don’t care about bloatware or telemetry. Simple as that
Because Windows just works. And yeah I need non-open source software shock horror and I dislike Linux's "oh no your accidentally installing some proprietary software you silly billy don't worry I've prevented it".
But also it's really not my choice if the program I want to install doesn't actually work on Linux and does work on Windows then realistically I have to use Windows.
My laptop updating itself to Windows 11 is the reason why I'm switching back to Linux.
Other than Corrana I use these on a daily basis. I'd rather they stop opening edge whenever I mistype in the start menu.
There are ways around this, just follow the "How to Disable Web Search on Windows 11 via the Registry" section (unless you have Pro the first part should work). So much better without them there.
PSA: If you need windows, and you can install it yourself, install the Education version. It comes with slightly less crap preinstalled. (For the license just massgrave.dev that shit...)
massgrave.dev
Nice site, didn't know you could run a command with PowerShell.
Removing the RDP client is an interesting one. May just be bizarre to me because I use it on a daily basis.
I was not even aware it could not be uninstalled, especially since some Home versions of Windows appear to come without it.
Azure killed RDP.
no shit.
I ignore them. Since January 2022 I've used exclusively macOS & Linux and you can't go wrong with that. macOS for my daily driver work laptop (M1 MacBook Pro) and Arch Linux for my home server, though I do enjoy using it a lot for work and if this mac ever stops working I will definitely build a framework Linux laptop. Nothing comes close to FoSS, don't have to put up with most of this proprietary business-oriented software.
But do you use Arch?
I use Arch (btw) on my daily driver too, but I recently switched to Mint on my server. Too much of a hassle to constantly update on Arch. Though I do miss the AUR.
M1 MacBook. I'm using it right now. I have an ungodly number of tabs open in both Chrome and Edge. Photoshop is apparently open for some reason. Also steam and 5 other apps.
The thing is like 3 years old and doesn't even stutter waking up. Idk what this thing is made of but I would genuinely believe it if they came out and said it's alien technology.
Hope they don't take away the sandbox. It is very handy for testing sketchy software.
Ms paint is the only truly necessary default windows app
Tragically, that seems to be being slowly deprecated in favor of shittier modern equivalents
How is this company finding that out only just now lol
they try until they give up I think
While I'm not mad at all that they've killed Cortana as a service, I am a little ticked that they used the name for their C- Siri and are now calling their AI service Bing AI instead of using the Cortana name for that
I would love to see/feel Windows is reaching the point where it's a small program with tons of optional programs, but god damn, I'm so sick of these bloated fucking OSes.
Android now takes 20+ gigs, Windows takes massive amounts of hard drive. And I know someone will say there's a way to configure it, but the amount of bloat that people just accept on programs is insane.
It's silly when Call of duty Warzone requires 150 GB, it's a bigger problem when windows continues to consume more and more memory with out a good reason other than pushing new products and services most customers don't want/use.
Basically Linux .
I mean yeah. It doesn't have to even be "Linux" but a smaller required core library, instead of every application getting forced onto a user computer. I've a theory that over 90 percent of a computer's hardware is only required because of coding standards that could be improved. (Small more efficient code versus get it shippable and move on)
I'm a little impressed Linux hasn't had the massive bloat that most of the programming industry has taken on. "Let's pull in every library, take up more space and never optimize code". Linux seems to have avoided that, and that's a good sign. I don't even think it's a OSS thing, because many OSS software slowly bloat up when people keep adding features to them. Linux has avoided that so kudos to them.
They've known since all their other shitty windows. It's been ass since xp
I liked Win 7 and am still liking Win 10. That Win XP nostalgia isn't up to date anymore.
Yeah win7 is good, but god damn, I have windows 11 on my work laptop, FML. Are they just trying to turn it into the Mac os? Whyyyyyy, what have they done. I use to have to click multiple buttons just to do the normal right click properties. They fixed that, but I still can't stand it. I remember back when they released one of them after 7, doing everything to disable all the crazy services. Havnt bothered messing with that again though.
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xp was pretty solid. win7 was iffy for a year or so then it was solid. win8 was trash but 8.1 was really decent. win10 is their best OS yet imho, though it had similar issues to win7 - kinda shit at first. thinking I might skip win11 until it gets to be solid as well - probably 2025/26 at the earliest.
I'd pay extra for a windows that has nothing except the settings, task manager and the file explorer.
Windows 11 N might be up your alley or one of the enterprise editins using group policy to disable at the unneeded shit but that's way to much work for most
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yeah, I've done my best to remove it all and have it in a pretty good spot at this point.
My windows install is from 2009 when windows 7 was released and hasn't been fresh installed since. Hardware has changed 5 times since then and it's still running like day one.
Does anyone want windows 11 at all?
Not seen a single new feature in windows I cared about since XP 64 bit.
I’ve been using it for quite a while now… it’s fine. This happens literally every single time a new windows version comes out.
The only genuinely bad Windows IME was ME. Vista had driver teething problems, and 8 had a weird UI, but outside of that… they’re all just fine.
I’ve been building PCs since the late 90s and have pirated Windows from 98 on up.
Our users have postponed receiving new laptops because of the negative response they've heard from others in the company using Windows 11. Stuff just breaks all the time. Lenovo docking stations have consistent monitor issues on 11. We spend a majority of our time fixing little things we never would have thought about on 10.
It's better than 10 At least. I think to myself "I hate w*ndows" every 6 minutes while at work. Before the update it was every 5 minutes.
Really? You mean we can now move the taskbar to the left or right? What about the taskbar right click options? All back? It finally has a proper dedicated tablet mode? I can group apps in the start menu again as opposed to having a launcher copied from Android? My events show in the taskbar calendar again? The right click menu doesn't make me click twice for almost everything anymore?
If so, cool. I'll switch.
If not, 10 it is.
They really got trained well... Removing shit bloatware is not a "feature"
Thanks daddy satya. Visionary
Every two windows version is a disaster. 95 nice, 98 sucked, XP was great, vista was a flop, 7 wow, 8 eurk, 10 marvelous, 11 is shit... They don't learn. But this time the goal is to make more money through adds, widgets and preinstalled bloatware.
98 sucked, ME also sucked, 2000 wasn't too bad, XP was excellent
ME would like a word.
95 was middling just novel, OSR2 was actually good. 98 was ok, 98se was excellent ME was a complete unmitigated disaster 2000 was excellent in all shapes XP was horrid, SP2 was good
The rest about right but honestly i think it's just that the second SP is when Windows gets good, not that every second one is good.
And there was no saving ME or 8...
Imagine paying $200 for that
I stuck Windows 10 LTSC on there, removed Edge and turned off all telemetry and it already comes with basically none. Never have been happier. No telemetry or bloatware.
This is the only way to use that OS. I dont even think when they release the LTSC for 11 I will move over. Not like they have added huge feature sets I need.
Same, tho sometimes updates get messed up (unable to install) bcs of that and ofc you have to recheck your settings with every update.
There are also lil apps that help you with that.
Also the update puts Edge back on but I just remove it again
In other news the sky is blue and water is wet.
Truly, we are on the cusp of great discoveries.
What a time to be alive!
Is there something like LTSC/LTSB for Windows 11?
I have Win10LTSC installed on a separate partition for games and the thought of having to "upgrade" to Windows 11 at some point in the future is nightmare inducing.
IIRC that’s scheduled for 2024
The people app has been an abomination since the start and was barely updated since.