1w ago

It's not theft

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Are people really arguing that copyright infringement is theft?
We have come full circle.
- we're focused on the double standard. it's theft and we go to prison when the people do it. it's innovation and good when the billionaires do it. who's always getting stolen from is the poor, and always by the billionaires. any attempt to reverse this flow is met with prison time.
- No. They're saying that if the government is calling copyright theft by all other measures, this should be too.
  It is the playing field being unlevel that is under question in both cases.
  
  It’s only copyright theft when the poors do it.
  
  If you are wealthy enough it is, if not then you are fucked.
  
  Goes both ways doesn't it? People defending piracy of software but hating on AI.
  But when an analog artist gets his inspiration (like AI) from other artists it's fine when an AI does it all hell breaks loose.
  peak hypocrisy...
- The anti-AI crowd appears to outweigh the pro-piracy crowd on Lemmy.
  
  Only one of them is done out of corporate interest. If the courts want to hold individuals accountable, they should do the same to corporations. With an effort equal to gains.
  
  I’m anti-AI and pro-piracy.
  I object to paywalling access to culture and knowledge, because it degrades our society, cuts people out of participating in ongoing cultural conversations, and keeps people from enjoying the fruits of human creativity based solely on their income level.
  I object to AI for basically the same reasons.
- Difference is for me, if I feed a LLM your work and now it can produce books, music, or art in your style, then yeah its infringement, especially if you monetise that output. Its devaluing your ability to make new and unique content if your work isn't protected if I can copy your style with a simple prompt for say a recruitment ad for ICE and there is fuck all you can do about it.
  
  Why fight to prop up capitalism?
  
  and now it can produce books, music, or art in your style, then yeah its infringement
  Seems like the opposite. Keeping the same legal considerations, but replacing LLM with a person
  if I feed an imitator your work and now they can produce books, music, or art in your style, then yeah its infringement
  producing a derivative work with substantial changes (like a new idea) is a classic, time-tested way to produce similar work while upholding copyright. If that's not infringement when ordinary people do it, then how is that infringement for LLMs?
  
  "Style" is not a trademarkeable asset, you buffon.

Just make sure to destroy the original when scanning it
- To stop the competition. It's just business.

You wouldn't steal a car
- But i would feed it to chatgpt for some sweet output
- But I would shit in his hat!
  Err.. Go to the toilet in his hat. Sorry.
- Check your drive. Tee hee

It's not theft. Nothing is taken, no-one is deprived of their work, and no copies are even made
- It takes people's collective work and then requires those same people to pay to use it. It allows already mega wealthy companies to get even richer by selling people's own creativity back to them.
  I also see a lot of privacy issues - the fact that let loose on a specific data set (like Facebook) it then knows anything about anyone. Even if I don't use Facebook myself because I hate it - if someone would congratulate my spouse with the 10th birthday of our son Chris, A.I. now knows I have a son, born on this day in 2015, his name is Chris. That fact isn't stored in a database where it's easily erased. It's part of a probability vector in an artificial brain, where it can't be removed even if I request the source data to be deleted. This is actually what worries me more, for all the good AI can do, there is a lot more evil. If the Nazis would have this in 1940, there would be no resistance movement. It would be trivial to see who would be part of it and who would be their families and friends.

You wouldn't download a car.
- You wouldn't download the entire internet.
  
  I would if I could

You’re not pirating media, you’re reviewing it for quality before model training.
Just make sure to keep a spreadsheet with your movie reviews and a storage bucket with the files.
Use keras to set up an auto encoder that you train weekly.

My only complaint about this image is that AI hasn't shown any ability to replace jobs. All of the AI companies are burning money on models that peaked a while ago and are still ass for any skilled labor, it's a dead end.
- I'm sorry, when has this "any ability" you speak of been a marker for any excuse to cut costs by corporations? capitalist demons like musk have yet to show "any ability" themselves; seems to be working out fine for them.
  
  I hate musk, he deserves a special place in hell, but he was an absolute wizard at replacing human labor. His car factories ran so fast that his engineers had to account for aerodynamics while still on the production line.
- I know several companies which have stopped paying for stock photos and using AI laundered images or using AI to remove watermarks without any skills in image editing softwares.
  Is it replacing jobs? I don't know the economics of this field well enough to know what cut the photographer gets, but I know that there's less cash flowing into this sector due to genAI
  
  You can tell when a stock photo is ai, it looks creepy and weird and people hate it. They didn't replace workers, they downgraded their product.
- I was shocked to see in a bookstore how many kids books had images made by gpt-1

See my art? It's totally mine.
I did this almost 2 years ago for my profile, I think they've "fixed" it by now though.
https://imgur.com/a/these-are-new-niki-mice-drawings-phone-company-chainsaws-merms-donut-logos-burger-mc-winfruit-computers-republunch-political-party-logos-Rhgi0OC

Zuck should be serving life in jail

What is stealing? I prefer to use the term "greedy bear", who, after looking at someone's thing, immediately decides that it is now his to the last piece!

What legal precedent said theft is legal if it's used to train AI?
- I think the Facebook thing where they downloaded massive torrent of books but it wasn’t piracy because “they didn’t seed”
  
  That's not what happened.

Memes like these reinforce my opinion of the average internet user.
Most of them are too stupid to begin to comprehend how stupid they are.
And they get mad whenever you call it out.

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