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All companies seem to be doing their best lately to cure us of our social media addiction.
- Yeah for real. Enshittification has gotten me permanently off Facebook for like 4 years and Twitter for like 10. Reddit now for a few months. Getting ready to leave YouTube.
  I have been playing guitar a lot more lately 😊
  Been telling myself I need to get more exercise...
  
  Are you me? I have been off of Twitter and Facebook for years now. Reddit is dead to me. YouTube seems like it's heading in the shitter. I've also been playing more guitar lately too! I'm still early on, I think I'm progressing nicely but I'm firmly in the "novice" stage. Take it from someone who didn't exercise at all before, you'll do yourself great even taking a nice walk for 20-30 minutes every day possible. It gets easier everyday, and they become enjoyable.
  
  Been telling myself I need to get more exercise…
  I decided to get offline more and get more exercise. I found a personal trainer who runs his own gym. He has a media center set up to play music. It plays youtube videos. Without an adblock.
  I've seen more youtube ads at the gym than I've seen when I'm doomscrolling at home.
  
  I’ve been using GitHib as a social media. But instead of memes I see pull requests and commits.
- Back to videogame addiction it is boys!
  
  I missed it tbh
- I'm back on internet forums now. Screw the big companies.
  
  Can you recommend some general forums that focus on a wide array of topics? Or do you only visit niché community forums?
- Imagine if this turned out to legitimately be true, sarcasm aside.
  They WANT us to stop fighting and just use social media less lmfao.

They can suck my balls and pay me a million before i enter their shitshow of a website without adblocker(s)
- Indeed, I'll go through any technical challenge to keep watching adless, or just quit if it becomes impossible (which wont happen)
  
  Facebook has been able to get around ad blockers for years. Google's probably going to be able to do the same.

Open your ublock Origin dashboard and add the following 4 lines:
undefined

youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false) youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0) youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, []) youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
You're welcome.
- I highly appreciate your effort but I'm not sure if I even want to go to YouTube anymore. Is my life really going to get worse without YouTube?
  
  Nah it definitely won't lol. But there's gonna be those times people link it and you're gonna get annoyed by it otherwise.
  
  One day peertube will figure out peer to peer at large scale and then everything will change.
- I'm worried one day they will re-encode videos with advertisements themselves, or something similar to that. Although I guess SponsorBlock takes care of that, until they straight up just break/remove extensions with their crazy "Web Environment Integrity" proposal.
  
  That would screw up those who actually pay for YouTube. But who knows.
- Thank you.
- Just commenting so I can remember to do this when I get home.
  
  Hey don't forget
  
  You can just bookmark it.
  
  Did you do it yet?
  
  Did you remember
- Just to double-check. Do we add that to "my filters"? That's where I added it.
  
  Yep that should usually be the first thing that opens.
  I have never had any issues with youtube ads since the changes with this. They will probably adapt to it eventually but so far no problems, european region though so who knows if they have different approaches to different regions. Judging by your instance choice I assume you're in the UK like myself though.

The fediverse makes the internet feel more alive than ever.
It feels less mindless scrolling and more interaction.
- There are also discussions and (small) flame wars ☺️
  Feels like 'back in the day' where everything was a bit wonky but people could actually help eachother (and not being nudge nudge nudged all the time to be distracted by something else).

The illusion of infinite growth on "free use" ad based business dies when investment funds demand more benefits from former startups now turned into corporations whose only asset of value is the their users' data. You are the product, so it's time to squeeze you.
I think such data is currently overvalued on a overgrown ad-targeting market with too many competitors, and adding more ads only devaluates each ad value further, because users' consuming capacity also has a limit. So I see a severe correction coming. Another bubble burst, and another crisis inside the crisis that late capitalism itself is.
- Excellent analysis!

That's one part of how the internet dies, there are others. For example: soon the vast majority of the content on the internet will have been created by bots (AI or not). Or even by malicious folks pushing narratives.
TLDR: not only the internet is becoming more annoying to use it is also constantly becoming less useful with worse content replacing everything that was ever good
And the problem with content created by bots is that it is usually made to not look like that was the case. Sometimes that's not the problem like some random site with information about a video game can have all of its content generated automatically based on data extracted from that game. That is fine.
But other cases, specially with AI content, can be much worse. There was a recent example where some site with history content had generated some pages using an AI and that AI created a page about Scimitars which included information taken from Dungeons and Dragons, but presented then as historic facts.
And the main problem here is that the internet feeds on itself. Texts are copied from one site to another by non-AI bots. Some text created by AI in one site gets copied to multiple threads on reddit, hacker news, stack overflow, 4chan and all sorts of places. Places that are scanned by search engines and often picked as preferred search results by users.
Then Google these days try everything to make a larger profit from you. That includes "stealing" content from inside websites to display on top of the search results page - so that you never click away from the Google site. In order to do that more efficiently, they give preference to sites that allow this behavior over sites with actual better search results. Try googling "country in Africa with the letter K".
So in the end all your search results will soon be stuff that was written by AI. And remember: AI doesn't think. It won't ever do. AI is just a robot role-playing as human.
When you see a comedian doing a Stephen Hawking impression, you don't expect them to publish scientific papers, in fact you don't pay any attention to what they actually say, because you know it'll either be rubbish or just a repeat of something that Hawking had said before. AI is the same thing. It'll never be intelligent, it'll only get better at imitating humans, by looking at what humans say. And with their content taking over the internet, it'll soon be imitating itself.
And the only memory of the golden years of the internet, will maybe be Wikipedia. Have you donated to them yet? Think about how many times you've used it and remember it has never shown an ad other than their pleas for donation. Please consider giving them a few bucks when you've some to spare.
- I think the solution is to just return to the old web https://thewebisfucked.com/
- I think you're probably right but I also think that people will try to adopt by going back to the old forum model of access-restricted, highly moderated, trust-based spaces for individual topics instead of mega-aggregators like Reddit.
  Maybe that's just hopium and nostalgia though.
  
  I think you might be right. Imagine a fediverse app that allows content creators to self-host videos. They get the generated revenue directly instead of going through the website, they get paid in direct relation to how many videos they serve, and when I see an ad there, I know I am effectively paying the content creator.
- I Google "country in Africa with the letter k" and don't get what you mean.
  
  For most folks now, Google shows the text from this link as the answer:
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37145312#:~:text=While%20there%20are%2054%20recognized,new%20trivia%20facts%20like%20this.

Once most of the YouTube users are captured under the subscription, prices will raise again and again and again and again and again and ag
- And the quality of the service is going to get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse and wor
  
  Why is getting everyone cut off bef

While there are a billion things Google does that annoys me I'm not able to figure out how to create and maintain a video streaming platform without ads or paywall that finances both creation and the providing material.
I mean, who are the competitors and how do they finance it if not in a similar way?
- I'd argue Youtube was better when creators weren't paid and people were just having genuine fun. The internet used to be free and filled with content by people with passion. Much like users and the current state of the fediverse.
  
  I really just hate the "influencer culture" it spawned, and every idiot trying to emulate that meta instead of just making content.
  
  I can absolutely understand that point of view and even agree to an extent.
  However, as a counterpoint: creative people being able to support themselves with their work means they can focus on their art instead of it just being a side hobby to their money making job
  
  This is just how art is in general.
  
  You bring a great point I hadn’t considered before. Only people with passion for something will do it for free while many more people with so that for cash. Though it’s interesting to see that cash doesn’t make passionate people’s content better it just makes more mediocre content.
  
  If they weren't paid there would just be way more sponsorship deals and ad reads.
  
  I'm a little torn on this and I think it is relevant beyond video. I can see an emerging non-commercial web coexisting with the commercial one.
- On the same note, it is amazing how people complain about quality of journalism, but get mad if they see an ad or have to pay a subscription to news sites.
  
  I do have to second that concept there. Giving everything away absolutely free is not a sustainable business model. If we don't like ads, and we don't like paywalls, we need to actually start figuring out a sustainable model. And no tiny ads that are nowhere near where anyone looks, do not actually generate revenue, because people don't fork over much money to put up ads in places where few people will see them.
  So we either need a system to have people give money directly to avoid ads, or we need a system of ads that... well are appealing both to those who want to post ads, while being acceptable to end users.
  
  I've noticed that right-wing propaganda outlets generally do not paywall, but "center" and center-left outlets usually do.
- YouTube has some competitors...
  Twitch - Not for general purpose video uploads and sort of stingy with how much you can upload. Twitch only saves highlights and YouTube saves everything you've ever uploaded.
  Tiktok - Chinese spyware. Every video is vertical. Every video has stupid songs playing in the background and that TikTok logo. Not really for long form videos or anything serious.
  Vimeo - You pay them to upload your video.
  
  ...if not in a similar way
  Twitch - not different from YouTube since they display ads and they have a premium service. On top of that I can add that without female streamers dressing sexy and not always playing video games Twitch would not have as high revenue.
  Tiktok. - still shows ads so they are not financing things in a different way.
  Vimeo - yes, they finance their services in a different way. But it still doesn't answer how their content creators make money since Vimeo charge the content creators and doesn't allow ads. But seriously, Vimeo isn't a competitor to YouTube. I have a hard time imagining how they would grow to even a third of the size of YouTube.
- paywall that finances both creation and the providing material.
  Finance creation? It promotes lazy copycat contents. Even respectful (at least before their YouTube career) tech/artisan/DIYers etc are falling for the clickbait, the YouTube's basic/teen humor... I pass on the tabloid stuff.
  You want to make views. use these keywords:
  Apple
  I spent $$$ on ...
  AI
  The thing is that platform is just a TV.
  I guess content creators should also pay for their access on the platform, not just a cut on the revenue. it will enforce good/honest creation .
  
  You might criticize the content all you want but it's another discussion for another time. The question is still it still how to finance a site like YouTube, with the content and amount of viewers it has, without ads or fees.
  Your solution with content owners/creators paying for the housing of their creation is Vimeo.
  Not even close to YouTube
  
  I spent $$$ on Apple AI! You won't believe what happened next!
- pretty sure yt has little competition, at least around western audiences (not sure how the situation is outside here), and i doubt hosting a website is actually expensive. If anything, a lot of banks are getting worried on the lack of real money they have. Thats apparently needed to revive us industry because us government doesnt want its facilities in china anymore (doensn't make sense though, the government has no problem creating money out of thin air, to save big banks). For that reason the entertainment sector is starting to monetize everything possible, squeezing out of people that on average, don't actally have all that much money.
  At least that my understanding of it
  
  Hosting regular websites with heavy traffic can start to get expensive. Video streaming is extremely expensive.
- Just use PeerTube or Jellyfin.
- Yea of all the things to removed about with Google, this one's pretty understandable tbh

Proferring it as ToS violation is actually quite concerning for anyone using the same google account for their primary email and as a youtube account'
- Note to self: create a burner account just for YouTube.
  Wait I already did.
  
  Unless you also have a burner device for using it from, Google definitely know that both of those accounts belong to you, and a TOS violation on one will cause both to be suspended anyway. They will quote the section of their TOS related to using another account to get around a suspension.
- Might actually be a great time to move the last things I use my Google account to other services

Drink verification can.

Please drink a verification can
- Better than having to watch ads IMHO

Mastodon exploded when Elon took over Twitter. Lemmy exploded when Reddit changed it's api rules. I think the problem is not that YouTube doesn't fuck things up, because they often do. Perhaps the alternatives are not good enough for early majority to migrate. We need more early adopters to migrate ASAP. (I'm thinking of PeerTube, but perhaps Odyssee has beter changes at the moment)
- One thing that's tricky with alternatives is just the massive bandwidth needed. You don't need nearly as much for lemmy or mastodon
  
  yeah, i fear that this is only going to become even remotely viable if, and only if, the user base at large can figure out how to coordinate communal hosting. Perhaps it'll be rather slow, too, and/or difficult to use with a mobile device due to datacaps, low availability of storage space, and limited bandwidth...
  if we enter a future where most people have a dedicated spare computer rig in their homes or a subscription to a private webserver farm that exists JUST to host peer to peer encrypted blackbox user-driven-content, maybe it might someday become viable.
  imagine if purchasing an allotment of webspace became an essential part of one's online identity every bit as much as having a primary email address for identity verification (as it ALREADY IS, which is crazy enough in itself)
  Like, imagine carrying a dedicated mobile device with a 5g data plan, basically just a glorified multi-terabye wireless mobile SSD with a dedicated battery, whose sole purpose is to be part of the cloudhost swarm. It's just part of your extended personal datasphere now. And hell, you can rent out part of its space to companies or people, even. Bytes of Storage become a secondary currency... I'm not saying I look forward to this, but ... I could almost see it happening.
  
  Maybe we can leave "TikTok" videos over there but host "interesting" things like we do on our Lemmy servers.
  I mean those videos getting 1.000.000 views, are they not a symbol of the symptoms of the enshittyfication of YouTube?
  How much bandwidth do I need if I want to host woodworking videos for enthusiasts?
  
  Also how are the creators supposed to get paid for their work if everything is free?
  People here seem to think ads are just a vile cash grab from google, but in fact most of the ad revenue goes directly to the creators.
- Actually I don't think there is anything wrong with odysee tehcnically. It is just marketed awfully.
  
  I'm a fan. It's not perfect but I try to look there first before I go to YouTube.
- Odyssee I tried them ages ago and stopped, because of the crypto stuff and lack of content interesting to me. I quit YouTube a while ago so I'll give them another try. :)
  
  I switched to Nebula its affordable and has lots of interesting content from YouTubers I most often watched. Their business is sustainable, pays the creators fairly and has no ads or recommendation algorithm.
  I've also tried out Odyssey and had the same issues with it. There was one or two channels I would actually watch, but I think the crypto stuff attracts a certain libertarian type. I don't think it's sustainable long term.
- The alternatives are expensive to maintain.
- This really only happens when youtube becomes a worse option. The more YouTube becomes a junk site, the more reason to switch and other sites just become the better option. I'm only here because this is now the best option, Reddit has gunked itself full of adverts and has removed the features I used to enjoy in third party apps.
- Rumble
- It also takes much less time and effort to create content for a foum compared to a video platform, that might interfere when trying to build a community from the ground up

Peertube mass migration when?
- Reddit = Text based platform. Text: 1 Character = 1 Byte
  Migration Difficulty: Easier than curing my depression
  Youtube = Video based platform. Videos: [Error, Not Enough Storage] (Also bandwidth)
  Migration Difficulty: Maybe try your luck at winning the lottery instead (and if you win, you can spend the money hosting a Peertube Instance)
  🥲
  
  Bandwidth is easily dealt with for PeerTube as it's peer-to-peer.
- Since video hosting is difficult, and there's monetization, it won't be very soon. Video hosting platforms are more resillient of enshittification side effects, and Alphabet will rather lose money on hosting videos, than let go off of a monopoly they have through YouTube.
  
  Monetization is stupid, uploading both on youtube and peertube is easy. User using adblock don't generate monetization anyway. Also, there's all the sponsors nowadays
- Soon, let them stab themselves some more.

Not the internet, the web, there is a distinction and the internet will be fine we will just move to other protocols and leave the ad companies out in the cold.

Dear Youtube,
I've been using you daily since before you were bought by Google. I have watched undoubted millions of youtube videos over the last 17 years.
The mother fucking nanosecond you start blocking me from watching your content because I have an ad blocker is the moment I sit here and just rip every each and every single mother fucking video I want to watch to view entirely offline. Given you've tried and failed for a decade now to stop us from doing that I trust it'll solve both our needs, you won't have me blocking your ads, and I won't need to ever see em. Savvy? Savvy!
With a level of spite indescribable,
Me.
Edit: For those whining about my entitlement: QQ more idc.
Edit 2: Ya'll still commenting and downvoting a week later while I haven't thought about any of you at all lmao. Rent free!
- I mean... 'oh no a person who doesn't watch our ads is going to not watch our ads'
  Not sure they'll care about the 'loss''
  
  Now it's "a person who doesn't watch our ads isn't using up bandwidth"
  
  Then they logically wouldn't have cared about the adblock in the first place...? Although I'm intending to go back to doing the same and it's not about whether I make them sad or not. It's a quality of life thing.
- They don't care. You cost them money.
- Don't wait! We need to all start ripping videos and sharing in torrents. We have to back up all the educational quality videos.
  Just like with shows / movies, it's time to start hoarding because things will only get worse.
  
  Oh trust me my 30TB of HDD's and ADHD already got started on the data hoarding front many a year ago. Haven't had a paid subscription to anything since Netflix in 2014 lmao.
- undoubted millions of youtube videos over the last 17 years
  4 million would be just over 644 videos watched every single day for each one of those 17 years.
  I salute your dedication.
- I'm having a bad, bad, day
  It's about time that I get my way
  Streaming whatever I see
  oh, indescribable me
  I’m having a bad, bad, day
  If you block my ad blocker that's not okay
  Watch, this is so fun to see
  oh, indescribable me
- Oh no, YouTube has been losing money on you for 17 years, they’re gonna be so sad.
- How can you feel this level of entitlement - surely you should just be grateful for the 17 years and millions of videos you have been able to watch for free?!?!
- qq more yourself - you are the one removed about a company not subsidising your free-loading ass.

Quick! Let's move all Youtube channels to the fediverse (PeerTube), before people are getting conditioned to another sick behavior created by rich people.
- Isn't Nebula what the (bigger) channels themselves push for as the alternative?
  
  Then nebula will become the next youtube/Google the fediverse is in contrast a real alternative, that does something really different

I don't completely mind. This is a boon to platforms like Nebula and CuriosityStream, which I think respect creators more with revenue and users with no ads. Sure it's not free but there are no shennanigans like this.
- If you don't mind paying though, just pay for YT Premium?
  
  Giving google money so they can ruin the internet for me in the future? Nah, I give creators money through pateron but google would have to stop being literally evil for me to consider giving them money.
  
  First, YouTube Premium costs a shitload more than Nebula. Using Australian prices, YTP is $15 per month. Nebula is just $30 per year.
  But second—and this is just me, I can't speak for others—I did pay for YouTube Red, back when it was called that. But I've long been annoyed at all the many ways YouTube is hostile towards its creators. The way their copyright system goes so far above and beyond what's actually legally required, and how that so frequently works against creators. They seem to have just given up on the notion of fair use entirely, they've had a history of even allowing copyright claims on things that are uncopyrightable like public domain NASA footage, because some copyrighted news footage used it and tried to claim it against others. And the people who abuse the system never face repercussions. Creators do. The final straw for me though, and when I decided to turn off my Red account and start using adblockers, was when YouTube decided to change the definition of who was eligible for the partner program and this monetisation, cutting out smaller channels entirely. That pissed me off, and was when I said screw Google.
  
  Point being that then you're paying youtube/Google/alphabet the money. Subscribing to creator-owned sites like nebula cuts out the middle man, gives creators a larger cut of the pie, gives them agency, and makes them less dependent on YouTube's whims. Of course not applicable to other content on YouTube like eg big label music videos
  
  This is the reason why nothing will change. People continue to do the "easy way out". Keep paying the people trying to fuck over the content creators and the consumers cause it is easier than to find bullshit to satisfy your life. Good job.

The proxy wars begun again they have

I’m on vacation for the next two weeks. I only really need to log into Google for work. I got proton mail subscription and I’ve been moving all my personal stuff to that slowly. I’m going to finish it off and just cut Google out completely for personal use.

I will continue to use ublock and let Google lose money in the process I don't mind. In fact I'm all for it
- If you were watching YouTube videos without watching ads, they were losing money on you. You not watching videos on YouTube is going to be a net gain for them.

inb4
"You have viewed wrongthink and can't view YouTube for 48 hours"
- "Controversies about Florida Governor"
  [ERROR, ILLEGAL SEARCH QUERY]
- Bad thoughts bad thoughts bad thoughts.

As part of a general trend, yeah it looks that way. But, this is just YouTube. It's a big part of the web, but it's not the web, and definitely not the internet. It sounds like there's already ways around it though so for the type of folks who would have ad blocked I don't see a lot changing, which does make me wonder the point of this is though.
- Also just get a better ad blocker.
- Yeah, I'm not too worried about it. Youtube is not the only video site on the Internet, and if I have to pick between them and my adblockers, I'm keeping the adblockers.
  I'm running Pi-Hole, DNS block-lists on my firewall, Ublock in the browsers, Temporary Containers for every webpage, and other shit I don't even remember probably. I couldn't even turn all that off without significant effort.

Now there forcing people who have their watch history off to turn back it on
- Source please
  
  I don't think they're actually forcing people to turn it on, but they don't show any videos to play on the homepage with it off. Searching for videos works normally though. At least that's how it is for me now.
- I'm glad they stopped recommending things to me with my history off. I just want to see my subscriptions I don't want to see what the algorithm thinks I want to see.
- What?? How??
  
  From what I understand, they're removing all recommendations from the home page if you have watch history turned off, likely because they can't give you any decent recommendations without data to recommend from. All you'd see is the search bar.
  Personally, I think this is a great change. Default YT home screen has some of the worst recommendations I've ever seen, and if I'm telling them not to track my watch history, I probably don't want to see whatever content they're promoting to the average user either.

I miss YouTube Vanced, it had better UI and more features than the official app. I pay for premium and I like it and all, but I wish they could've adopted some features from Vanced instead of monetizing previously free features such as background play.
- Have you tried ReVanced? It's just as good if not better
  
  ReVanced is doing the thing for me where it lets you get about 10sec into a video and freezes. IIRC, I'll have to look for an update. I had to use regular YouTube on my phone today and my god, it's unusable. Absolute trashfire of ads and sponsored videos clogging up my feed.
  
  No, but I've heard of it. Does it require root?
- I use Firefox and I have ublock origin and sponsorblock to watch youtube on my phone. You can also enable background play.

Corporate profits and soulless capitalism aside. Do you think that petabytes of server space and countless hours of making videos for your entertainment should be free?
I mean lets imagine we create a space for creators to upload without most of the revenue going to a fat ceo. There are no algorithms tweaked for constant numbing entertainment just to squeeze every last minute of our attention. Just a platform for people to talk about their passion and create content heaps better than the shit on the tv. Would we still be removed that it should be free? Because i think we would
- Maybe we wouldn't be so mad if their paid offerings weren't worse than using an adblock or third-party download tools.
  For context, if you download a video you have to have been online on YouTube in a timespan of 3 days with YouTube Premium to actually watch it offline.
  
  They need to know you’ve actually paid for the content. Its the norm with streaming apps, even if the music is on your device it still needs to be authorized to actually play it. Otherwise you would be able to download as much content as possible within one billing period, cancel your subscription and enjoy hundreds of dollars worth of music for one monthly fee.
  Their paid offerings suck in more ways than this sadly. Youtube search sucks balls even if you pay for premium. They constantly ask you to watch their “shorts”, and small creators sometimes have a very hard time staying monetized because of bullshit that youtube makes them go through. It is partially our fault tho, collectively we watch the dumbest shit. Logan Paul had shitloads of subscribers and made a fortune because thats what normal prople like to watch.
  
  FYI downloads are good for 30 days, not 3.
- Do you really think they are doing it for free??
  In the second quarter of 2023, Google's revenue amounted to over 74,3 billion U.S. dollars, up from the 69.1 billion U.S. dollars registered in the same quarter a year prior. The company amounted an annual revenue of 279.8 billion U.S. dollars throughout 2022, its highest value to date, with most of its earnings being powered by advertising through Google sites and its network.
  
  Revenue ain't profit mate. Everyone knows the only reason Google exists is because ads support them so they can give all their services for free primarily.
  
  Do you really think they are doing it for free??
  No, but if everyone started using ad blockers they would. Thats the point here, isn’t it? Google wants to stop people using ad blockers because the are loosing revenue.
- Lot of things are free, and seeking financial compensation also ends in lots of competitive nudgy, click-baitey, rage inducing content.
  I'd like to share some skills, well when they are good enough :-) and I would be delighted if people used the material at all! Even, or actually more delighted, if they used it to make even better material.

Revanced is still working for me

no, just use firefox with ublock

I used to think people who downloaded videos on YouTube, forum posts with guides or useful info and other data were weird.
They were right.
With archive.org under threat some of it will be gone for good unfortunately. Save what you can when you can it might not be there later.

It's been ages since I have entered the youtube.com domain, I use the libredirect extension to go to invidious instances. Sometimes the instances are blocked and I have to try another one but its a small price to pay for internet freedom. Still, google is trying to sue invidious for using their API, which they don't, they just scrape the website, but I would like to see the bullshit google comes out with.

Ah wait till google implements web integrity api and then sites dont allow you visiting them from non chorme browsers or with adblocks etc !
- Yep, what a fun future we have ahead of us.
  
  I am trying to reduce dependency from more and more commercial apps and websites , unsure if that will be helpful at all tbh

This is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened. We'll probably just figure out another workaround like we have many times in the past.
- ~~Would Google know if you're using a DNS-level ad blocker? Probably not, so everyone can just move to that.~~
  Edit: I forgot that Google serves ads from the same servers as the content, so DNS as blockers don't work...
  
  DNS level ad blockers don’t work for YouTube or any other site that serves ads from the same place as the content.
  
  Those don't work on Youtube, the videos and ads have been coming from the same domain for a while now.

The Internet isn't dying, it's just being mutilated ☺️
- Its being hatefucked by googles unregulated dick.

YouTube revanced everyone. YouTube revanced.
Or newpipe if you don't want a Google account
- I had to download new recommended version of YouTube and patch it, because videos didn't load after 1-2 minutes with older version. It's first time I had to re-patch.
  Yesterday I had notification about no playback until I update my app. After restarting the app playback was enabled.
- Isn’t YouTube revanced an Android app? That’s hardly a solution, unless you solely watch YouTube videos on android devices.

I get that we all think entertainment products should be free but in a capitalist economy server space costs money. To deliver and maintain petabytes of data takes vast resources and in our society, those resources cost money. They keep it running through direct payment or auctioning ad space. So if you don’t want to get premium then they still need to pay for the upkeep of the service you’re using for free. Thus ads.
- I can't speak for everyone, but I'd be happy to share the burden of seeding these videos, if they'd stop threatening us over it.
  
  This sounds like a concept that's better in theory than practice.
  I can't imagine this being nearly as stable and high quality with minimal downtime
- The problem is that when you pay them they still track you and still sell your data.
- People already pay, with data and watching ads, they are pushing for montly revenue making the costumers angry with abusive ads. Youtube is not some poor beggar it is a company who seek never ending profit. They will punish the weak link, who can't do something about, they could just increasce ad price, but the announcers can push back so it's a no go.

You can't just turn off the treat spigot. This is the kind of thing that's actually going to agitate americans politically.
Youtube with ads, single login netflix, paid social media, these places are playing with fire, lmaoo.

Firefox 116, that popup hasn't showed up for me... for now

People like the meme creator will turn the tides around. Perfectly crafted meme.

Amn shit is hitting the fan. Google has been clamping down in ad blockers. First with Manifest v3, then the DRM shit, killing YT mods by making it mandatory to sign-in and more.

blocks the nag screen lol

No one here considers that we might not need a "competitor" for YouTube at all. Videos have been a disaster for the web. Information that can easily be relayed and digested in a 1000-word article is instead stretched into a 30-40 minute video with ad breaks. The less aid about TikTok, Instagram, and other bullshit video platforms the best. We don't need this shit. We need to go back to Web 1.0. Web as a means to share information and talk to people. There's no room for ShitTube there.
- I quit YouTube (you can delete your YouTube data without deleting the Google account btw) and I feel better. I couldn't find anything interesting there for the love of me. I intend to binge cozy Minecraft letsplays on Odysee once I have Internet again. I really hate videos as a format. They have use, but they're by far overused. I strongly encourage everyone to reject what companies want us to use, look inside and reflect on what you need and what brings you happiness, then abandon corporate, delete your data and thrive.

Youtube is also now forcing you to turn on watch history for recommendations. Needless to say, I‘ve been on YouTube a lot less lately. (And that‘s probably a good thing.)

Honestly, as soon as there's a video sharing site and a few of my friends move, I'll be good to just abandon the web for Gemini.
- Could you explain what Gemini is? I already know without looking that all my search attempts are going to be horoscope stuff, and I don't have the info to really narrow it down to anything.
  
  It's a network protocol, like HTTP/S. It was inspired by the Gopher protocol from the '90s, but it supports basic text formatting (with Markdown-like syntax) and forces TLS encryption.
  Here's the homepage: gemini.circumlunar.space
  Here's a Gemini browser I like: gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange
  Here's my personal Gemini capsule (the equivalent of a website): gemini://deafeningcreationearthquake.flounder.online
  And here's an old Gopher hole, for comparison: gopher://gopher.linkerror.com:70/1/txt_index
  Please note that you will need a Gemini browser to view these sites. I recommend Lagrange, which is cross-platform, FOSS, and supports Gopher, Gemini, Finger, and Spartan; but other software is available.
  Sorry if I've made this sound confusing.
  tl;dr: It's an alternative to HTTP.

Give up padme googledala I have the voyager ground

My favorite is when it says try using a supported browser, but I'm actually using a supporter browser it's my operating system you don't allow you fucks. I had to use a windows computer on purpose the other day💩
- Spoof user-agent and it magically works?
  
  I've tried usually doesn't work because whatever drm software they are trying to run in my browser does in Linux. Or stuff will work but it's degraded like Amazon prime video and audio won't play in HD. I couldn't login to a dod website the other day.
- Dear God!

Arrr!

Well, yes. We've all been watching this happen in real time for 15 years now. How is anybody still surprised?
The only hope we have, and it's a tiny hope, is to build another world wide web that returns to the old ways and have it catch on in popularity, at least to early 2000s levels, to make it could.
No reason we couldn't do this today, but...eh. It won't happen. The good times are over. Forever.

YouTube ReVanced. Problem solved.
- Mine hasn't been working right for a few days. Videos start for a minute or so then the loading circle starts up.
  
  Did you repatch with the latest recommended version? I just had to
  
  Yeah, I had the same. The newest version works good though.
  
  Strange. I haven't had issues with NewPipe

It's a mess that at the moment there are no real competitors with the amount of Videos of YouTube. The only possibility at the moment is to use a Frond-end, like JewTube, CloudTube, Piped, a Desktop client like FreeTube, or if you need to share a YT vidieo, to watch it sandboxed in the search results of Andisearch and copy the link from there.

Since when has it been anything BUT advertisements or paywalls?
- I remember the before times.

I quit YouTube not long ago. Highly recommended. :)
- Hey, congrats! Do you still watch user created video content? If so, where? I'm open to different platforms but I don't usually watch the ones I know of.

I'm still waiting to see that coming to all on my apps...

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