Nintendo-owned titles excluded from Japan’s biggest speedrunning event after organizers were told they had to apply for permission for each game
Nintendo-owned titles excluded from Japan’s biggest speedrunning event after organizers were told they had to apply for permission for each game - AUTOMATON WEST
cringe, glad i bought a steamdeck instead of the switch 2
glad i dint buy the first switch, knowing that nintendo/masuda enshittfied the console and pokemon games. plus i dint want to pay all the fees for going online, haivng a pokemon storage+ DLC.
just like with thier TCP trading card game counterpart, tcp japan and tcpi is equally stupid; doing very little against scalpers and pokevesters.
Same
Please stop paying Nintendo to fuck over its own customers.
Nintendo will release the Switch 3 with a vial of acid that sprays directly into your eyes while you're playing and they'll still sell millions of units day one
My dominatrix charges more than Nintendo, and the outcome is the same.
Rosalina can give me a paddlin' any time.
Nintendo continuing to ensure they never get a dime from me moving fwd.
Last Nintendo product I ever bought was in the SNES era. Didn’t care about the 64 and for the Wii I found CEMU.
mine was the 3ds just before the forced to the SWITCH if you wan to play the new gen pokemon games. homebrew was so fun on it because i was also playing shuffle for a while on it.
Didn't care about the N64? Good god man, can we trust your word on anything!?
I no longer buy anything Nintendo.
Same. Passed on the switch 2. Fuck that noise.
My line in the sand was when Nintendo went after GMod hosting of their character models.
When they go after emulators, I was upset but at least acknowledge there’s an economic relation there - and there’s some legal basis for protecting their copyright (even if the emulator itself is technically outside their rights).
But taking down models used solely for fan creations is just pointlessly mean. No developer I know is upset about people putting up animations of their game protagonists doing silly shit like slipping on banana peels or getting blown up.
Even before that. Nintendo went after small time Smash Bros tournaments. Giving them CND. Never gave them a cent after that, and I didn't even play in those tourneys
Two decades from now, people will talk about how Nintendo managed to ruin itself, from a gaming behemoth to some gacha subsidiary bought for a single yen.
I sure fucking hope so but I also doubt it
I worded it in a dumb/certain/silly way but, unless drastic changes happen, I do find it likely to happen.
Look at how often Nintendo is surfacing negatively on the news:
Nintendo stopped being seen as a company that enables your fun, to become one that gatekeeps it. That's brand damage - and really bad for Nintendo's console sales; people are only willing to invest in a console if they're reasonably certain they can have fun with it.
And at the same time, there are voices within and around Nintendo pushing the company towards the mobile market. Remember Pokémon Go? Or Ishihara saying the Switch 1 would flop, because of smartphones? If Nintendo console sales decline meaningfully, those voices will become louder and louder. Eventually Nintendo will focus primarily on the mobile market.
However people don't typically buy mobile games; the monetisation strategy is completely different - microtransactions, gacha, lootboxes, all that crap. Most players (the "minnows") won't drop a penny on the game, but huge spenders (the "whales") compensate for that, so it works.
The minnows aren't just freeloaders, mind you; they're required to keep the game alive. So mobile game companies need to fine-tune the pressure in their games - it should be just enough to encourage people to spend some money on the game, but not enough to shoo the minnows away.
But we're talking about Nintendo here. A company willing to damage its own brand for a few additional pennies. Nintendo would not be able to see all those minnows and say "hey, that's cool", it would go full "ARE THOSE FREELOADERS STUPID? DON'T THEY KNOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BUY STUFF?". It would tune the pressure way up, and ruin its mobile market, after it ruined its console market.
...perhaps it should go back to selling playing cards.
Nintendo has ALWAYS been like this. The SNES could easily play games from Japan on the NA console. But Nintendo wouldn't allow it. how? look at a North American SNES cartridge. notice those notches on the bottom? inside the console where you plug the cartridge in you'll see two pegs for where it connects to said cartridge. just little plastic pegs. Japanese Super Famicom carts didn't have this. So how do you play Japanese games on your US SNES? remove those pegs.
you remove those little plastic pegs and suddenly your SNES is region free.
Nintendo sits on a load of hard cash and has Apple-like profit margins. They’re not going away anytime soon and I think that’s for the best. They’re one of the last AAA publishers focused on innovation in gameplay which is why I can forgive them being mildly brain damaged sometimes.
No load of hard cash is large enough to allow a company to systematically screw things up; specially not under an economic system that equates "stable profits" with "failure to grow".
And Nintendo's actions aren't the result of [metaphorical] brain damage; there's a consistent pattern here of exploiting brand value for short-term profit.
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That corporation is still operating as if they're in the 80s, going by their "good old Showa values": heavy-handed proprietary control of their content and platforms, while making heavy use of nostalgia and its properties to keep the money coming in from casual gamers.
Nintendo needs to perish, seriously
I'd be sad but its really becoming an old yeller situation.
There are a lot of Nintendbros to convince. Good luck.
I.e: about half of gaming YouTubers
How does this benefit Nintendo? I don’t understand.
Because they operate on a very outdated understanding of how the world works. In their mind they own the games, they made them after all. The people "buying" the games don't really buy them, they just get a copy of the software and the license to use that copy. That license is limited in what you can and can't do. You can play them by yourself in your own home. You can even play with other people if they are physically in your own home. However if you want to do anything beyond that, it's outside of the license and thus not allowed. If you want to put on an event featuring their games, you need to apply for a license to do so and probably pay Nintendo for that license. Nintendo wants to limit the license even further lately, limiting playing inside your own home to their rules and limiting resale of the game (license).
This may sound crazy, and it is, however this is very much how music still works. And how movies and TV series used to work, and partly still do. It's a limited license for enjoying the media in your own home only. Technically when you throw a party, you would have to apply for a license to play the music you already own. When money is involved, like a bigger event and you don't play by their rules, expect to get sued. This is why the entertainment industry is so huge and the people in the top make so much money.
In the West we've accepted this doesn't apply to video games for the most part. Copying the game is a no-go, but using a game for entertainment purposes is allowed. When a streamer plays a game, they add enough of their own value for it not to be considered a violation. Even at large events, it's usually allowed. Although depending on the context, often license deals are made for the really big events.
There's gray areas as well, such as game modding or using the assets of a game to create a new game. This is also usually accepted, with services like Steam activily supporting mods and such. Most game devs like it when a community forms around their games and support mods. But not Nintendo, they hate this. They go after anyone doing this. Famously almost destroying the careers of people playing modded Nintendo games for entertainment. (Especially SMW romhacks). And people have to go through all sorts of hoops not to attract the eye of Nintendo (like how Ship of Harkinian does things). Another gray area is music in video games, usually that music has a rather open license. But not always and services like Twitch have made deals with the music industry in order to keep existing. That means upholding things like DMCA and muting or even disabling videos which contain copyrighted music. One recent example of this is Death Stranding, which contains so much copyrighted music it's problematic for everyone involved.
It has taken a very long time for the music industry to get around to the concept of streaming music. And even then the license is super limited and people don't own the music they pay for. Same for movies, TV series and other media. It has made them rich for decades, why give that up? Nintendo has always had the same mindset when it comes to video games and aren't going to change.
Personally I don't know why we put up with the BS system for music and other media. Especially the length of time for copyright these days. But large companies like Disney have so much power, it isn't going to change quickly. I feel the only reason we have music streaming at all is because the piracy got so bad they had to. And even then they fought it hard, demanding tens of thousands of dollars from little Timmy who downloaded a Metallica song.
Probably because a lot of nintendo games are speedrun on emulators. Since it can be difficult to attain region specific hardware and cartridges that are optimal for speedrunning, they resort to emulators so the barrier of entry isn't unreasonable.
And we all know how Nintendo feels about emulators.
Not to say it explains how it benefits Nintendo. But it explains why they're going this route.
nintendo wants total, and I mean TOTAL control over their IP. not a smidge must escape their grasp.
if they could take down every fanart and every meme with their IP in it, they would
They want these people to license the rights to play the game at events, etc. Like showing a movie or a sports game.
And when I thought Nintendo couldn't get any lower it just does it again.
It would be incredible if somehow every streamer and tuber just stopped broadcasting anything Nintendo, which seems to be something Nintendo wants. I wonder how much of a hit they'd take without those content creators.
They will keep doing it at each and every opportunity they get, even if they have to create new opportunities to do it, they will do so, always. They have already shown who they are.
Nintendo's lawyers won't stop until they kill Nintendo.
Aim at foot, pull trigger. What company lets such an opportunity of free showcasing and advertizing run through their fingers?
Seems a bit harsh to gun someone down over a speed running competition
I feel like there are much higher targets for the signal right now.
Never give Nintendo money.
The most shocking thing to me is that they’re going to feature Nintendo games in the future. I wouldn’t want to jump through all of those hoops just to possibly be rejected or have the content taken down arbitrarily in the future when Nintendo is feeling capricious. That’s a huge investment for very poor expected value.
Nintendo hates their fans.
Congratulations Nintendo, you played yourself.
People should remake the game they like so much and move on from nintendo bullshit
I think Astro Bot is already better than any 3D Mario.
We're missing a really good kart racer though. CTR wasn't it (and certainly not after they stuffed a load of DLC into it weeks after release), and the last one I really enjoyed was Speed Freaks on the PS1...
You don't seem to understand the problem. People need to switch to games released under open licenses
Putting out a kart racer is problematic. I got to play an alpha POC from a fairly large studio. It borrowed heavily from Mario Kart. The physics felt right. The challenges felt right, the weapons felt right, and the balance to let underdogs still be competitive seemed great.
In the end it didn't get greenlit. I think in the end a lot of what Mario kart has is standing on the shoulders of their IP. It's undeniably fun It is a great party game, But cart racing isn't for everyone and If racing isn't your thing you can at least still identify with your favorite characters.
If you took Mario kart and replaced all of the characters with Miis, I don't think anybody would want to play it.
There is always Garfield Kart
As good, maybe, but not better.
This thread: "Nintendo so stupid. Everyone hates them! They're gonna go bankrupt cuz no ones going to buy their games because of their bad business practices!"
Reality: The Switch 2 has one of the strongest console launches, despite increased prices. Their games continue to hold more value than others, with used games selling for near, or even above, their original sale price. Their consoles and games remain the #1 pick for families with kids.
You people are delusional. Yes, Nintendo's practices are scummy. No, this does not affect their numbers in any way. They are still wildly successful, and even if they weren't, they have such a huge reserve of capital that they could operate in the red for 20 years and still be fine.
You heard it here first, folks: other people disagree with you, so you aren't allowed to complain. Nintendo has been successful despite your complaints, so you're now required to suck it up and buy it, as society demands.
I think the point was that there are many people here are „predicting” that Nintendo is somehow going to go bankrupt because of this. People can no longer discern between wishful thinking and reality, it shows in many areas of life to tbh. No, you won’t wish something into existence just because it’s „right”.
Wow. Way to acts in bad faith.
Reality: The Switch 2 has one of the strongest console launches, despite increased prices. Their games continue to hold more value than others, with used games selling for near, or even above, their original sale price. Their consoles and games remain the #1 pick for families with kids.
Their pricing is pricing out many families, and I don't like that. I've remained firm in my stance that I'm not going to buy this console. It doesn't matter if everyone else around me buys it, I'm simply not going to do it. It's too expensive, same with the games, and I simply don't want to continue supporting Nintendo.
Gabe said piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, but Nintendo has now made it both lol
I'm sad that more people aren't voting with their wallets but it is what it is, I can at least do my part in refusing to support them.
I’m sad that more people aren’t voting with their wallets
They are. They're saying they're ok with it. Every purchase is a vote with your wallet.
It's way too early to call them "wildly successful." The Wii U sold 13.5 million units and was a flop. I would expect the Switch 2 to sell more than that to the die-hard fans alone since there are a lot more people playing games nowadays. But the die-hard fans aren't what make their consoles "wildly" successful. I guarantee you those families with kids aren't going to be buying as many $450 consoles with $70+ games. Maybe they will be wildly successful. But we'll have to be a year or so out before we can know how likely that will be.
Will they make money? Oh, that's a given. As much as they made with the Switch? I doubt it, but we'll see.
This poster: I love the taste of boots daddy Nintendo, may I lick them some more.
Liberals must believe the free market is socially just.
Are you saying people shouldn't feel more than one way about a company?
People can feel a company is behaving poorly even while everyone acknowledges they have a good product.
Looks like money got to their heads. What a shame.
There is no cost to applying for a license to host an event with Nintendo IP. You just need to ask for permission.
Nintendo is so anachronistic at this point how has it not pulled a Thanos and turned to dust
Nintendo's distain for its own fanbase continues to baffle the world.
🙅♂️ Free publicity
💁♂️ Alienate the fans
They literally couldn't care less, people will buy anything with Pokemon or Mario slapped on it anyway.
But still, fuck you Nintendo.
I'm doing my part by never exposing my kid to Nintendo and capturing all my kid's friends before they leave tablet gaming and convincing their parents to look into PC gaming and steam decks. It's an easy sell to their parents once I show steam's parental controls and how every game isn't full price all the time. Plus remote play makes the initial cost low if they have a computer. Their kid can just play my kid's games. I've already converted 6 kids. My kid just started first grade, so I expect to convert a lot more.
yea i saw how they were sitll complaining on the pokemon games, knowing how bad masuda made it for the post-SWSH games, and people said you BOUGHT it.
Lots of people do not buy them, for exactly this reason.
When I can play Pokemon games on my Steam Deck I'll think about buying them. Until then I'll continue hating on Nintendo to anyone who will listen. And many more who won't.
I tend to think of it something like this.
as long as they can convince young kids to badger thier parents for the new console they will keep doing it.
Certainly hasn't hurt their bottom line in the slightest, so it will continue!
Their behavior definitely put them out of the running when getting a portable console for my kid's birthday. He got a Steam Deck instead and he absolutely loves it because he can play Minecraft Java edition on it.
Yeah it almost certainly has. They're still raking in too much to care, though.