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If I understand correctly, there's nothing about Firefox that makes ad blockers any harder to detect. What can Firefox and uBlock do to stop Google from blocking adblock users on the site?
That said, I use Firefox and uBlock myself, and I've yet to see YouTube stop me from using the site.
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They don’t care about Firefox. Chrome is the browser market, they have weakened extensions, they implemented DRM, and here we are.
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It doesn't matter if YouTube can detect uBlock. The great thing about uBlock is you can just block the anti-adblock script. Since Javascript is executed on the user's computer, it's trivial to just tell your computer to ignore it. And moving it to server side would cost them too much money in processing power.
That's why they want everyone to adopt their DRM, so they don't have to worry about it.
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Firefox currently enjoys protection from being "relatively niche" in the browser market (aka not Chromium based trash).
But if I had to place a bet on which browser would put effort in to protecting your privacy, including which extensions are installed, my bet would be on Firefox over Chrome.
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i think it's mainly the list maintainers staying on-the-ball with changes to sites. they can move quicker than a giant corporation can develop, test, and roll-out potentially site-breaking changes that could adversely affect 'billions' of users.
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It has always been my understanding that uBlock and uBlock Origin were two totally different extensions for ad blocking. Is this not correct? Back several year ago when ad blockers were new, I recall seeing two different Firefox listings for them, and people would caution users to get uBlock Origin and not the other truncated named one
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The difference is Firefox is not a chromium based browser and thus not subject to googles fucking bullshit, esp when we come to things like web drm
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Just another Firefox fan boy. They do this shit when as blockers get brought up too as if Brave, Vivaldi, etc isn't going to strip out the ad blocker nonsense when they build their versions. Just because these versions use Chromium as a base in no way means they have to use their code. Firefox fan boys are too busy talking about Firefox to understand this.
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Firefox + uBlock Origin user here. I started getting those popups a few days ago.
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People who choose not to watch ads are far more likely to not spend money based on ads. I know that when I see the same crappy ads over and over, yeah, I remember the name of the product, and I remind myself every time never to buy it. I'm more likely to buy from that seller if I don't see their ads.
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Everyone thinks ads only work on other people, that's why ads haven't been banned yet.
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I operate this way too. There must be literally dozens of us.
In all seriousness, I do find it somewhat surprising that some of these companies think saturating everything with ads is a good idea. As a simple matter of brand recognition, I get that the power of suggestion is a helluva drug. But all that stuff does eventually glom together in my head as general advertising nonsense -- as a result I see companies that advertise less / not at all and rely on a quality product and word of mouth as a better buy.
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Yeah. I'm completely allergic to ads. If this goes through I'm simply not going to use YT anymore.
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I can list a ton of products I by principle will never use. Athelic greens, casper mattresses, simplisafe, express/nordVPN, Honey ... Some people may see a pattern there.
Ironically I might actually buy your product even if you spam annoying ads as long as you do it on a platform I block ads on.
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No Ad is good sunscreen.
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then they are succesfully livin in your head rent free
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Lamo this will introduce more people to revanced
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You know why it's called revanced? Because youtube came after vanced. They wont ignore it forever, unfortunately.
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YouTube Vanced was shut down because they tried to monetise it by releasing their own crypto NFTs, sparking Google to shut it down. I think for now Revanced is safe.
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The thing is that Revanced follows a new distribution model. Rather than distributing a modified app, they instead distribute patches for the normal YouTube APK so that the user modifies the app on their own device. Thus, ReVanced never distributes any of Google's IP. It's kinda like game modding. ReVanced will be a lot harder for Google to kill.
The one downside for ReVanced is that it's harder for ordinary users to install, so that will limit its popularity.
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Rerevanced will be popular
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I know if I'm not wrong vanced got in trouble for using YouTube logo and reverse engineering the YouTube app. Revanced technically not breaking any law as it not directly modifying YouTube like vanced.
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What are they gonna do? Revanced is just a patcher, unlike the previous version that fully distributes modified YouTube apk. There is a separate repo that has patched YouTube apk, but if that repo got taken down, the revanced manager still live on.
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it's YouTube re-Advanced
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Bailamos.
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Or, you could buy YouTube TV, which gives you YouTube Premium as a undisclosed bonus I’ve found. A great option because it helps content creators and allows you to cut cable. I may have some bias on the topic of paying for media content services, but in general pirating hurts the creators. I hate that I’m old and wise enough that I might have been more receptive to Metallica’s arguments during the Napster era. I do feel though that it is in the best interest of creators for certain content to be previewable. The problem with YouTube video monetization are that most are not going to be rewatched.
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Adblock is one of the greatest human inventions of all time.
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The best anti virus innovation in decades.
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I agree
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Oh my, the creators get paid?!?
https://influencermarketinghub.com/youtube-money-calculator/
Oh... So no, not really...
Sounds like they're lying to me!
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I don't remember which creator said it but basically by donating them even one dollar they're profiting more than if you sit thru hours and hours of ads. I guess objectively one can claim the moral high ground by watching ads but that really is like tossing bread crumbs to a beggar.
I'd really like platform like YouTube to come up with a subscribtion model that you pay like $10/month of which 20% goes to YouTube and the rest is split between the creators of which videos you have been watching. Even better if there's a way to prioritize the ones that you really want to give your support to.
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You've just described YouTube Premium. Except it's $14/month now. And I don't know the numbers for how much of that goes to creators.
You can also "join" a channel, assuming that channel has it enabled.
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Imagine believing you get paid to make videos on a video sharing platform. Who do those people think they are?
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I don't think I've ever seen the word "allowlisted". Did someone forget "whitelisted" is a thing, or is that term finally cancelled?
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Whitelist and blacklist were indeed cancelled despite having no racial origin.
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There are cultural traditions of using colors as symbols, many of which are harmless -- red for anger, blue for sadness, green for envy. Whitelist and blacklist come from the very long-standing theme of using white to represent good and black to represent evil.
Regardless of how you feel about the origin of those themes, it makes sense to start moving away from them now. Whether intentional or not, they can be harmful and aren't really necessary.
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It's not been cancelled.
I'm sure someone raised concerns over racist origins, or that they were uncomfortable with the terms. Or perhaps programmers did it themselves as a part of introspection that came around with GitHub changing from "master branch" to "main branch".Which likely lead people to realise that blacklist and whitelist aren't really descriptive.
Blacklist came from the 1600s, regarding regicide. And the opposite of that is obviously whitelist.
But it doesn't actually describe what it's doing, and ultimately it is an idiom.
Removing idioms in coding is generally good practice.
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You are predictably behind the curve
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Even the FBI recommends you use an adblocker, for your personal safety. Source: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/the-fbi-now-recommends-using-an-ad-blocker-heres-why
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Remember when YouTube was just a video of a guy at the zoo? Pepperidge farm remembers...
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Those suckers sold it to google for a billion dollars. They got screwed.
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I heard they were barely able to contain the site at the end as the growth began and expense of maintaining it skyrocketed.
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Two days ago I noticed when watching through the app on my phone that I could no longer just skip ads, and the trick of reporting them to skip didn't work anymore either. I effectively had to just sit and wait.
That same day I got NewPipe, imported my subscriptions, and honestly even if this is just a phased trial or something, I won't be going back to the standard YT app.
Creators make pennies from ad revenue. If I want to support them, I'll make a donation or subscribe to their Patreon or something.
I won't just sit and suffer a slew of ads while my data is harvested under the false pretense that it's all to support the creators.
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You can also try out ReVanced if you wish to access YouTube with your account
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Thanks for the tip! Will give it a go.
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The problem is that YouTube infrastructure is ridiculously expensive. Streaming 4K videos is not a joke. Creators won't create crap without YouTube. Sadly all other platforms have died. Again, because running such service is ridicolously expensive.
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I'm unironically considering ditching any online interaction(s) on the internet and use my PC solely for offline content (write documentaries, texts, play retro games). Because I really don't want to use the internet with that level of intrusion in my pc.
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Take any cybersecurity class and you'll want to burn your tech in a dumpster. In most cases it's security by obscurity from sheer numbers that hackers/sites don't give a crap about you alone.
Additionally, every site you have ever visited tracks your browser, IP, OS, location, and more. This AdBlock tracker is just observing that you have a plugin for ad blocking. That's the least intrusion that YouTube does.
In summary, there's no need to be paranoid, but only because everything that can be stolen or observed already has been.
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Also to add to what you said, switch away from (Google) Chrome everyone!!
Imagine this message, but on every website, and it literally cannot be prevented, as the browser itself will sooner than later just straight up tell the sites "yo, your content has been modified, maybe block the user from viewing", snitching on you.
Come to think of it now, I wonder if this will affect poorly implemented sites using that feature to accidentally (or intentionally…) disable dark mode/reader extensions.
And then, due to Chrome's market share, if left unchanged, web developers/companies will at some point just not bother anymore. Imagine "this works best in Google Chrome, download now" you see for some web apps today, but even with the most basic text based site that can't prevent you from using your Adblocker in e.g. Firefox or Safari.
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every site you have ever visited tracks your browser, IP, OS, location, and more.
This is wrong to a degree of paranoia. That's simply not true. Every site can observe it, some might even log it, but that's a far cry for tracking it.
In most cases it's security by obscurity from sheer numbers that hackers/sites don't give a crap about you alone.
Also no, maybe in the 90s, but modern systems are (increasingly) designed to be secure by default.
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It is like people freaking out over giving out their phone number and SS number. I guarantee you that info is already out there in countless databases.
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I’ve had the same thought before but then I don’t want to become one of those older out of touch people. I think each generation feels like the world was in better shape when they were younger. But the truth is that many of the young kids today will look back on 2023 with the same fondness and nostalgia as I do when I think about the 1990s. Back in the day older people would warn us that video games and television would rot our brains. Now we warn our kids that TikTok will do the same. Everything is always getting faster and faster but young people are adaptable and I think they’ll find their way.
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So, alphabet can rip off the creators but we can't? What a crappy double standard.
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Aw that's so cute, they think they'll be able to stop adblockers from working for more than a few days. Just like everyone else before them. Good luck with that guys.
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- TV : SmartTube
- Mobile : NewPipe / LibreTube
- Desktop : Piped / YouTube with a bunch of browser extensions
This my YouTube Premium
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The streaming crash has only just begun.
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A new dark age is dawning.
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The golden years of the 1650s to 1730s await
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Desktop replacements: FreeTube and Piped. I personally prefer FreeTube; the UI is way better than Piped.
Android: LibreTube (it also works with Piped but I just imported my youtube subscription list instead). There is also NewPipe too!
If you'd rather dump YouTube entirely, there is Odysee and PeerTube. Though for most people they're just not viable, total replacements. Only you can decide for yourself on that matter.
Enjoy!
Edit: If you want to export your YouTube subs and playlists you'll have to do Google Takeout; but after that it's super easy to import/export them from Freetube and Piped whenever ya want.
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You might like NewPipe for android. Same flexibility with importing subs, but cleaner and less errors, in my experience, but as long as you're not using the YT app...
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Oh yea forgot about NewPipe. I'm happy with LibreTube but I'll edit my post to add it.
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Let's not forget: https://github.com/revanced
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Vinegar is a Safari extension for iOS that turns the YouTube media player into a generic iOS one, completely bypassing all of these restrictions. I’m not savvy enough to know if it’s something Google can kill or not, but it’s working great for me right now. Even lets you do PiP and background play.
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Odysee has an extension that redirects youtube videos to odysee if its available
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For IOS peeps: I’m using Orion browser, which supports some firefox entensions like UblockOrigin that blocks ads. Brave also works.
Downside is they’re missing a good number of features, and changing playback speed messes up the audio
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I guess such things are going to get broken as well if YouTube walks down that path.
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And so grew another head for hydra.
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Fuck this shit with the force of a billion adblockers.
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I have YouTube ReVanced on my phone. If YouTube ever defeats uBlock Origin on my desktop, I just won't watch YouTube on desktop anymore. I refuse to watch or view ads.
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Just yesterday they stopped allowing me to see home page and recommendations unless I turn on watch history, which I am not doing ever. So they can keep forcing my hand and see how far it goes. If anything am stubborn enough to enjoy this kind of petty behavior from major players. They keep thinking "oh they will just do what we ask them to", but I'll do the opposite out of spite. I'll just use !videos or similar communities to find my recommendations until the day comes where I stop using it completely. I quit Facebook this way, quit Reddit and Twitter, quit WhatsApp. Keep at it guys, let's see who's more stubborn.
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Actually watching only what you search for or are subscribed to is a great way to stop wasting your time on stupid shorts you used to watch for hours a day (at least for me)
Plus I don't want an algorithm to feed me stupid things it thinks I would like, that's what leads to polarization and countless other negative aspects in social media
Also I suggest to everyone readinh to watch "The social dilemma" a masterpiece that exposes these problems
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That's a good point. However I trained YouTube not to feed me crap, couldn't skip shorts though. What I did was disable search and watch history and then blocked videos and channels that I didn't want affecting me ever. In time algorithm figured out what I wanted so I got somewhat related and interesting content. Not all of it but a lot of it since they had to focus on my likes and dislikes instead of watch history. This has now changed.
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I don't think they care about the small handful of people who will stop watching YouTube over this, to be honest.
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That is fine by me! But I doubt the number will be so small. Still I don't care how many. Am not selling my data becauseo others are. -
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I'll take some of that action. There needs to be some sort of medical term for the reaction that adverts inspire in me. At this point, it's pathological. It's interesting to contrast YouTube's original form with the abomination it has become today. Almost as if corporations wait patiently while they achieve market dominance before they come out with absurd and Orwellian ethical statements about 'breaking rules'. Before that it was a big house, come on in and enjoy the cornucopia. No, Google, we will never stop blocking your poison. All we want is the service.
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What is !videos ?
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Also happened to me
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Shit, same thing happened to me ! I thought the website had bugged out.
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This actually helped me reduce my screen time. The only positive to come out of this, I suppose.
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That's did news. Perhaps after mastodon grow massive thanks to Elon, and Lemmy grow thanks to reddit, we see peertube get his time to shine thanks to Google... #fuckupyourcompanyFAST
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Text is fine but you can't really expect the Fediverse to serve heavy media at a large scale
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That, and content creators that aren’t hobbyists need to be paid. Some of my favorite channels rely on ad revenue. Sure, things like patreon exist, but the system won’t work without a fair way to compensate content creators. Obviously blasting people with insane ads, especially ads that are often political, isn’t the way forward.
Media that’s meant to be free, e.g. uploading videos with no expectation of revenue, should stay that way, with community support to keep the platform alive. But content that is professionally produced as someone’s livelihood also needs a way to survive.
Unfortunately a lot of people think “fuck all that, I’ll watch what I want, I shouldn’t have to pay, it should all be free.” I’d rather pay specifically for the content I like and support those creators than the blanket “put ads on everything” YouTube has adopted.
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I'd love to see PeerTube grow just like these platforms, but I think it's a lot more complicated to get people to use it than mastodon/lemmy.
Twitter/Reddit weren't used as a major income source like YouTube and Instagram (I am saying this based on famous people in my country, I don't know how it goes on other places), and so are easier to replace. The people posting and discussing topics don't do that for the money, they do because they like it.
YT and its monetization system made possible for people to make a living from the content they produce, and many wouldn't like or simply couldn't sacrifice this income source just to go to a more ethical and private platform like PeerTube.
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YouTube has also started showing me a blank "home" screen since I turned off my watch and search activity history on privacy settings.
Joke's on them, all I want is to see my subscriptions anyway
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They also started to fight piped and invidous, nevertheless it won't make me buy their subscription, I'll just ditch the platform.
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Sucks but on the flipside it means that I’ll have more time for myself.
I already spend less time on social media because R/all sucks balls and lemmy doesn’t have too much content. I don’t have any other social media.
I also don’t have cable or pay for streaming services, so I found a replacement in the form of YouTube and Spotify (podcasts). I’m ok if these options go away.
There are a lot of hobbies that I want to do and the less distracted I am, the higher chance that I’ll choose to do them instead of dicking around.
Tldr: brings it on!
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Yeah I used to be on reddit everyday before everything went to hell and now I'm only on it like once a week and lemmy only a few days in between usage.
Life is more.. enjoyable now? Lol
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For me, I wouldn't say it's more enjoyable per se. I miss looking into interesting topics. However, I do find myself focusing on my business more which I guess is a bonus. But outside of that, it's very disappointing the enshitification of the Internet that's occurring.
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Fast forward: Adverticement for cheetoes blares from the screen and aceshigh stares, as if in a trance, at the screen of flickering colours. In the background are half finished hobbies strewn on the numerous surfaces of the room. A cat jumps up on the table, pushing a half full glass on the floor and starts to scream at aceshigh. The monitor switches to an upbeat man shouting "Surfass VPN! You need it!". The cat, at this point almost having a red face, finally snaps aceshigh out of their absent state and they go "Not now Flufferdudel! gotta finish this video".
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Same, except that I listen to podcasts and Youtube videos while working (it's a boring job) so I still don't want to totally quit Youtube and Deezer
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Firefox + Ublock Origin Or Youtube Revanced (their only official site is their github) (android only)
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The worry is they will go the twitch way. Ublock origins struggles with Twitchs anti adblock fight
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The ads are not the true problem. The tracking and profiling is. They keep the rhetoric about the ads while forcing both. I'd be kinda okay with just untargeted ads. Maybe not fully okay but I'd be far more willing to tolerate them. This privacy violating thing the modern Internet made a norm? Hell no!
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It's weird because there's lots of studies showing that tracking users' interests isn't even that much more effective than targeting based on the page content.
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That’s interesting. Got a source?
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Efficacy man not always translate to ad sales.
When you're selling your product and school and society have told you that you need to know your demographic, when you get to that ad manager page, you want to see your ad only being paid for on that demographic.
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Unfortunately from their perspective that isn't apples to apples. They can charge higher rates for targeted ads.
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I just canceled my youtube premium account after about 7 years of constant membership.
The recent price increase was crap. The service I receive hasn't improved - actually with their shitty compression even on "4k" videos my enjoyment has really decreased.
But, the big driver were ads. With premium I didn't see ads, instead I was increasingly bombarded with "words from our sponsor" all over videos.
Anyway, I recommend freetube. For now at least, it actually blocks all ads including sponsor blocks.
I won't pay a monthly fee to be google's advertising product.
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Start downloading and archiving videos you like. Especially educational content, share it with others, keep the information free and accessible for all.
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If this has the same effect as reddit/lemmy.. wow peer tube is about to get so good
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I have yet to see this running ublock origin on firefox
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It is being tested on select viewers before rollout.
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(Creators should start backing up their content and get ready to shift to new platforms)
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"well now you can go to nebula the site by creators for creators"
... Who will unironically post the exact same content from their YouTube channel, adread and all
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I don't see the problem with that. The difference is you pay instead of being served YouTube pre-roll ads. And they get a bigger cut than it would off of YouTube premium.
As many hours as it takes to make a video It's kind of amazing some people upload different versions on each platform, they don't really have to.
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I don't think I've noticed any adreads or sponsorship stuff on any of the content ive watched there actually, though of course that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, I may have just been lucky with my subscribe list.
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Won't matter. As soon as those alternatives get big enough, they'll either sell out or look for more ways to maximize profits. The Internet is wholely infected by corporations now. Just need better ways to beat them back somehow.
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YouTube has never changed the way creators get paid without notice before so you're probably right everyone is safe. Google isnt pinching pennies and everything is fine
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It still does matter because as long as enough people keep abandoning mature (rotten) corporations for the younger ones, the right and unignorable signal will be sent.
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Why? At least for monetized creators, they get paid more if the ads run and even more if more of their viewers subscribe.
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Until earlier this year I just watched the ads because in some small way it supports creators and I could deal with it. Then they increased the number of ads per watch-time to egregious levels.
I certainly wasn't going to reward a company for making the existing service worse by subscribing. Started using the apps people mention immediately and also setup pihole to block more ads.
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If they really force me to subscribe, I will... to Nebula.
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You should do this anyway - it funds great original educational content, and is quite good value.
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Not with the same clickbait YT content there.
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What Nebula really needs is some content that isn't just people talking about stuff. I can appreciate a video essay now and then, but it's the whole platform. I have a subscription right now, really only because of Philosophytube, but I can't really find anything I'm that interested in watching.
It really needs some like sketch comedy, tech reviews, dumb little videos of people out doing stuff, or like, cats sitting on roombas. Cater to something other than wanting to listen to people blather their opinions all day.
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Well they need ads to pay for streaming all of those conspiracy videos, aliens crap, repackaged copies of other videos, ai generated crap, shitty "click and subscribe!" videos, etc...
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Been an avid Youtube viewer since the very beginning. Now, I'm paying for the site and using a bunch of extensions just to get a worse experience than I was getting on youtube 5 - 10 years ago. After seeing all of my favorite content become unprofitable and die off, I am so ready to jump ship. I think in the immediate future, Patreon and Nebula are providing the alternative that will get creators paid reliably.
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Most decent ad blockers already don't load ads
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That's great, but what about us gentiles?
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Fuck em. I'll just stop watching if it comes down to it. Hell, even without an alternative.
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Ublock Origin users: purge cache and update. A fix has been deployed.
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purge cache and update
Music to my ears.
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I like New pipe. Hopefully doesn't affect it.
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Maybe one day all of the mega corporations on the internet will finally drive me from the internet itself and I'll finally do something useful with my time.
Until that day...
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cool. don't need YouTube and the constant "OMG you won't believe what happens next" crap littered in the feed
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I remember when there were no ads. Ugh.
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I miss the good old days on YouTube.
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Can't wait, i should quit YouTube anyways
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YouTube can, in the strongest possible terms, absolutely go fuck itself lol
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I did. Don't miss it one bit.
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We need an AdBlock for adblockers now. Hopefully this will get bypassed.
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From what I've gathered, it already has, though fair warning if you use YouTube Enhancer, it breaks the bypass so you have to disable the adblocking within Enhancer (as this one person on the uBO subreddit learned).
Also just a fair warning, it should be obvious at this point but it's almost certainly not going to work on chrome because it's Google's browser.
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In general, seems theyve been enabling this on chrome first, and firefox is fine with it ( for now ) Friend had this on chrome, moved to firefox and it all just worked ( for now ).
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Nah, it's going to be bypassed soon.
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The ads make Youtube unwatchable so if necessary I'll figure out how to sideload Piped onto the house TV, or, failing that, just plug my laptop in and watch shit through Piped.
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Not just that. I have always turned of history and analytics since 2020. I use you tube to check news about happening events in my region(politics and stuff), so I can open the video on invidious or newpipe. But yesterday, as I opened you tube, it threw me this message... So, now I feel better, but seems, they have never stopped tracking what I search and watch, even when I opted to keep it off. Also maybe it is due to new feature where we can see the full video in hover mode, without clicking it to watch. But whatever, I wanted to let lemmy people to know that something like this happened yesterday to me.
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Watch history is an absolutely essential metric for Youtube - I can understand how you've been led to believe that turning this option off is opting out from that data collection, but no. What this setting is asking is if you want the data collected to be represented to you as recommendations for other videos to watch. It absolutely doesn't change what data is collected, just whether the videos you've watched should be accounted for when the algorithm is finding new videos to recommend.
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Also happened to me, it's very annoying
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They were able to build a business and be profitable for over a decade but now all of the sudden ad block is destroying YouTube? 🤔
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There used to be a trick where you can skip ads in youtube app by pretending to report it. i’ve used that to skip the 2x30s unskippable ads over the years, but that was patched recently.
So instead of occasionally watching ads while scrolling through comments, I’ve now opt to watch youtube in browser with UblockOrigin. And good luck to google for playing catch-22 with adblockers.
Shame that I used to have youtube in my adblock whitelist
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Playing Catch up not catch 22 lol
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That's the thing for me. I'm fine with ads on a free service. Where I draw the line is my kid watching a spooky Jillian and Addy video with a 30 minute unskippable ad that's just a religious talk show or right wing rapper music video. If they policed it better and kept the ads to around 60 seconds or less I'd be fine. Until then, no ads for me.
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Yeah, the unskippable ads are just maddening. Within the first 5 seconds I should either know what the product is, and my interest is established or not, or I'm hooked enough to watch the full ad. When I see the ad marked as unskippable, I'm automatically less receptive to the ad, it's demanding more than it's fair time for my consideration, so I don't want to even think about it.
One particularly maddening one was an ad that was 30 seconds, unskippable, and the theme was "our ad is so short, you don't even miss the ability to skip it!" If it didn't piss me off before, that really pushed me over the edge.
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Lol, I've seen that but still just use the adblocker and it plays as normal.
I think it's meant to scare non tech savvy people. I don't see how they can stop us using adblockers....
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PeerTube looks quite promising with its decentralised model. Surely it will never be perfect. But decentralisation is essencial. Also because the types of videos I like to see in YouTube either are monetised by themselfs in some way. Or are not monetised at all. YouTube does not seem necessary for those creators.
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Been using PeerTube on and off for about a year now, been planning on starting a maths education channel on Trom. It's definitely got potential, but I don't see the average Youtube user migrating over to it any time soon. The main issue really is that children/young teens are a large portion of the target audience for a lot of big creators these days and the mobile apps for peertube are heavily lacking still. Not helped of course by the fact that one of the better android apps, NewPipe, which allows both YouTube and PeerTube in one place is not on the Play Store
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I'm with the group that refuses to ever watch YT ads, but I guess it does help reduce bandwidth if they kick everyone off that's using an adblocker.
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I guess, like everything youtube will be replaced with other things
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Haha! Forced ads = no watchie-watchie. I have played this game with YouTube before, and the adblockers always win.
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I don't think corpos ever win in the digital world. as long as there is paid content, people will find a way to get it for frwe
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I wonder what'll happen when the bubble bursts this time around, will it be as bad as the Dot-com crash or worse? (Enshitification is the reaction to not having enough money and needing to try to make money quickly to pay back investors).
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I have yet to see one of those messages. Proud uBlock user.
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fuck that
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Im honestly considering getting a flip phone at this point it's kind of ridiculous.
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Is it possible to add a kind of "Terms of Service" to one's GET request? My TOS would then be not to deliver content if they object ad blocking.
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What's a Get request ?
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When you want to open a web site, your browser sends a so-called "GET request" to the server which contains then URL and some setting information like preferred language ans such. The server then answers this request by sending the web pages content. Or an error message like 404.
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Pretty sure he was just trying to sound smart, it doesn't even make sense.
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I can't believe 6 people up voted this 🤦♂️
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YouTube is so horrible now I hope it’s reaching the tipping point where even non tech people may get sick of it and look elsewhere. There is no reason to have ONE giant main fucking video site and that’s it for most of the English speaking world. I need to look up how to do grout…or open this smoke detector…or beat this video game…no reason that all these videos cannot be hosted via other websites or just self hosted with the affordability of bandwidth. I’ve loved most of what google has done for a long time and they won the browser wars, crushed Mapquest, destroyed hotmail and yahoo mail…now everything is turning to shit. Google search all but refuses to find what you’re searching for. 15 second video…30 second ad. No.
I don’t know if federation is the answer but YouTube being ubiquitous for internet video has got to go.
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Does this mean anything for pipe? Still don’t now how that actually works
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Newpipe, yt-dlp and the like will continue to play the cat and mouse game until youtube acts like Twitter.
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I already pay for it and will continue to do so. I have no issues spending money for a product I enjoy.
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I definitely recommend people check out Youtube Premium if you hate ads and use YT a lot on smart TVs and mobile where ad-blocking is more difficult.
The majority of my video watching time is YT and I primarily do it on my phone or TV, so it is worth it for me. I wish I could cut out YT Music and save some money while using a music streaming service I prefer though.
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Yeah, yeah, it's all about the creators' well being.
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Yeah the creators of this fucked system
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I used to keep it off on sites I wanted to have revenue but everyone uses them to annoy the user into subscriptions anymore so it's not worth turning it off.
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The future looks grim if that WEI thing comes to practice. But it's my understanding that identifying the 'undesired' browser is done by fingerprinting? In that case you could just fake it by using JShelter, even fake the extensions you're using. Not sure how they're gonna fend Revanced if at all.
Stay strong everybody
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Could disabling Javascript get rid of this message? Javascript I think assists video playback, so maybe not.
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PiHole doesn't work on YouTube ads
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YouTube ads come from the same domain as their video streams, so DNS-based ad blocking like PiHole can’t work on them.
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They didn’t mention that—did they edit their comment?
Quick edit: everyone should also have a PiHole, mine hasn’t been touched in years and does a bang-up job at blocking any regular ads (ads that, like the commenter I’m replying to mentioned, aren’t hosted on the same server you’re viewing stuff on)
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YouTube premium is the one subscription I will gladly pay for, I use it so much daily and you also get YouTube music which is a superior app to Spotify/Others, the family plan value is unmatched.
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But, but, who's gonna pay those poor influencers? /s
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What do you think about the YouTubers' answer to this: CuriousityStream?
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To get rid of the blank home : enable the history, click on a video you like, disable the history
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To be fair, the only reason why YouTube got so big and stayed relevant is THANKS to the ads. Do you think there would be incentives for creators to create good content if there wasn't as revenue?
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Most of the creators have sponsored segments that's how they make money nowadays...
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It got big when there were no ads and nobody got paid. People made stuff for shits and giggles, and Google had infinite budget to just fund things. Then everything started to change a decade or so ago and now we've got this Like&Subscribe corponet situation everywhere.
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Why would I fuck your mom without a profit incentive?
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You're right, they took the incentive away over and over again and drove my favorite creators out. Now that the value is lower and the uncertainty is high - now they're charging a lot more for the product.
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This! So much this! On top of that, the amount of video YouTube processes is insanely expensive. We are talking billions of views of streaming video served instantly.
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.... but, but, but I want FREE stuff!1!! Waaaaaa....
Then the same people who don't understand that ads generate revenue are also the same people who in antiwork communities demand that workers get $15/hr.
Now of course there is a limit to this madness. The number of ads YT is playing if you don't have a Premium account is obnoxious.
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The problem isn't that, the people understand this concept. The problem is the average person has less and less wealth every day while people at the top get richer and richer
If everything else wasn't this costly, I'd have no problem forking over some money for youtube or creators I really appreciate
"Well, watch the ads, then"
Time is also a resource and more and more people are fighting for people's time and attention. Regular social media is built around the concept of keeping us glued to our screens to sell our time looking at it to their advertisers
If time is also a resource people want me to fork over to them, I will fight to keep my time protected by using it on things I want instead of on ads (also, watching ads might get me to make impulsive purchases, which threaten my financial resources anyway, so double the reason to block them)
I don't have an abundance of time and money to give away just because companies want to extract even more of it from us
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YouTube Premium is actually decent value if you also listen to music a lot.
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Yeah, I don't see why people have a hard time with a platform trying to support itself. Video hosting is expensive and there is a reason why there are few competitors that allow such open upload limits that is easy for anyone to use. Right now it is a good price for what it gives since YouTube Music is somewhat decent.
A decent share of the Premium cost goes towards actual channels that you watch, if more people had the attitude to pay for the service, we would probably see less ad integration for a lot of creators and they could actually be paid from the Premium subscribers
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It's so funny to me how triggered people get when I say that.
Cope and seethe, in my view.
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That’s the nicest, most PC way of calling people pirates that I’ve ever seen.
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Are you getting downvoted for ypur word choice? When I Look past it I kinda see the interesting idea of google feeling like they deserve the ad revinue.
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Yeah, it’s the word choice. I decided to stand by what I said and leave it.
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Unpopular opinion here but service providers should be allowed to enforce whatever conditions they want (within the law) for accessing and using their service.
There are plenty of other video hosting services. If you don't like what YouTube is doing, don't use their service. Not sure why people feel entitled to free content AND the ability to keep them from earning revenue.
The expectation of free content with no revenue stream attached is unsustainable. Pay for the content, or let them monetize it
And this is coming from someone who runs pi-hole on their network for security reasons.
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There's a problem when they have a sort of diagonal integration into the industry, as they're kind of pulling up the ropes from competition while monetizing the product. It reeks of looming antitrust.
If I want to distribute billions of videos to billions of people on my own site, that'd be great, but my options are basically to pay Google, Amazon, or Microsoft for help.
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I don't understand this comment at all. Hosting your own video is actually super easy. HTML5 video is as simple as HTML5 images. It's just the cost factor.
You can do it all without the cloud as well, you just have to actually go buy the servers or rent them from traditional virtual private server hosts. Not everyone has gone to the cloud.
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I'm happy to talk about antitrust and breaking up conglomerates. But that needs to be a big conversation across many industries not just "Google bad, grrr".
If you're referencing WEI, btw, it is one of the topics people have been most misled about. Can link you to my Mastodon thread where I break down all the misunderstanding if you'd like
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Okay, but those independent content creators are often doing this trying to make money.
YouTube actually does have a pretty fair deal for "if you make us lose money, we won't charge you" and "if you make us money, we'll give you 55%." That includes increased revenue to those creators if you are a YouTube premium subscriber.
Getting in the way of monetization here isn't just hitting Google's bottom line, it's hitting those creators using Google's platform as well.
I used ad blockers for YEARS until YouTube added a paid option and once I started using YouTube more (again) I went for that option quickly. I switched my mentally a few years ago to "if it's not worth paying for, it's not worth it" and that cleared a lot up for me in terms of priorities.
An aside but, I'm extremely annoyed with the pro-piracy, sentiment against paid game mods, and general attitude against paying people money for the work they're doing attitude, that I've seen on Lemmy (and in gaming communities) recently. It's like everyone wants to be paid a six figure salary when it comes to their life and then they want to get everything they enjoy on a computer for free.
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Because their revenue stream comes entirely from destroying our privacy throughout the entire internet?
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God forbid you pay them rather than steal bandwidth.
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It's both funny and sad how self righteous people will get about piracy, and how condescending they will be towards people who just want to spend their time watching something.
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I look forward to hearing about this continuously for weeks if it gets implemented widely, followed by a handful of people taking their worthless views elsewhere, and the rest finally shutting up about it.
YouTube got bills to pay, sweetie.
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It's really hard to understand what you're saying while you're gagging on that boot.
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Cope and seethe.
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Haha. This is something that they have been testing for some time now. I ended up changing to YouTube premium a few years ago from Spotify and I think it's pretty good!
I find it hilarious that people down vote me. It's horrible apparently to be subscribing to something that's google..
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Which is fine… until YouTube premium gets a massive price increase to try and capitalise on subscription apathy.
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It’s like saying fascism is great if you just lick the boot.
You’re missing the entire point.
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Some people just love the taste, you know?
Kinda weird how eager some people are to brag about how much they love paying for YouTube Premium, though. Sometimes repeatedly, and as a response to every other comment. Like a paid ad, almost. Just being proud of paying for things is weird on its own but... damn, stinks like Google's paying them back well to behave like they're starving for it to come give them a cookie. Maybe it's bots. ... Nah, humans will serve their favourite companies at no charge and without any effort to make them. Bleh.
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That is one insane way of twisting words but you do you..
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i left spotify when they paid joe rogan podcast. the 50 shuffle limit also annoyed me because 300 songs on a playlist get missed. youtube premium is no ads youtube and music
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For me it was Spotify's patent on manipulating people's mood with music, noped right out of there after that. I'm in a position where I can afford to go back to buying songs, so I actually did that (better for the artist and I don't have to worry about any recommendation algorithm accidentally making me depressed because depressed = "more engagement").
I'm not sure if it was related but, coincidentally, I found my mental state in a far better place about a year later.
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Guess we found the stone with blood in it.
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Basically those that down voted my comment lol
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How dare YouTube enforce their own policies on their own website?
I would love if everything was free, too.
And I'm not a Google lover. Ditched Chrome on all my devices a couple weeks ago.
I just think seeing everyone scream and cry about the movie theater hiring security guards cuz kids sneaking in the back are flooding the seats is pretty funny. Everyone wants their cake and to eat it, too. Both Google and their users.
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I think a lot of people feel that youtube is getting to eat all of the cake and is only offering crackers in return.
I think people accept that services need to advertise to survive, but become upset when that level of advertisemeant becomes excessive.
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The optimist in me thinks that if all the free users currently using ad blockers switched to paid users or free users that aren't using ad blockers, the amount of ads that actually get shown could be lessened... And in an ideal world that's what would happen. The pessimist in me says Google's current management is going to keep the ads where they are though.
There may be a market force in play here too though where they went "can we add more ads?" and they saw that if they added any more than they currently have, people just stop using the service. If that's the case/what they're bumping into (or what they start to bump into), there could genuinely be a drop in the number of ads after this rolls out.
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Services are funded by advertisers. Advertisers are funded by their customers, the general public, after charging more for their products to fund advertisement. This is a symptom of the commodification of the collective consciousness. Absolutely disgusting.
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No one would have adblock if the ad situation on websites never grew completely out of control.
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This is absurdly inaccurate. I've been on the internet since AOL and adblockers have been around since the VERY beginning.
A company called Juno used to offer free dial up internet if you allowed a permanent banner of ads at the bottom of your screen. This was the early 2000s. Guess what existed even then, to block the ads? Just cuz a company was trying to get SOMETHING for providing something for free? Yup, adblockers. The narrative "oh, the companies started it!!" Is very easy to parrot, but companies advertising themselves is not wrong or unethical and blaming them for doing it is absurd.
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And it would never have gotten completely out of control, if people didn't use ad-block.
We should never have tried to fund the web with ads in the first place. We're perfectly willing to pay for data plans, phone service, electricity. Web services should have been the same from the start.
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I don’t think Google will miss my skipping their ads, look at their bottom line. It’s ridiculous how many ads there are now and I’m not paying 12 bucks a month to watch a guy show me how to fix shit in my house.
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They take away dislike button, something I consider essential to navigate content, the algorithm is like a hyperactive drug dealer always ready to sell you the next big hit thing "you might
likewatch" and according to google itself the last YT revenue was 29.24 billion USD - so, it's not like they are going to sink without it isn't it.So, yeah no thank you. They are doing extremely well, this is just squeezing every penny they can out of normal people so that the line goes up.
If they also stopped selling all my online data as a part of that subscription then I might consider it but it's hard to trust companies these days.
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last YT revenue was 29.24 billion USD
That's a huge number, but it is meaningless. It's more important to focus on profit (or net income) and unfortunately those numbers aren't as easy to get. You can see all the financials but while Youtube gets revenue numbers, how much they pay to partners, and they spend on google services isn't itemized.
They are probably operating at a profit, but definitely not 29 billiuon dollars of profit
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You don’t have a moral responsibility to pay someone who is selling your time and attention on top of someone else’s work. “The servers aren’t free!” Ok. Landlords are entitled to zero profit. The sooner we get there, the better. That’s the main thing Adam Smith and Marx agree on: rentiers are useless.
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No. Capitalists want to own everything. DRM that works is always abused until the product is intolerable to legit end users.
Yo ho! Thieves and beggars!
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You'll get downvoted to oblivion for common sense logic because people's biases are far stronger but who gives a shit about virtual popularity. I agree with you, it's their service, it's their terms. Fuck off if you don't agree. I can see more and more that the Lemmy community loves their own echo chamber and hates anything that goes against it.
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I'm with you guys, as I put in another comment:
I'm extremely annoyed with the pro-piracy, sentiment against paid game mods, and general attitude against paying people money for the work they're doing attitude, that I've seen on Lemmy (and in gaming communities) recently. It's like everyone wants to be paid a six figure salary when it comes to their life and then they want to get everything they enjoy on a computer for free.
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I actually didn't care when there was an ad in the beginning of the video or what not. It was when I had to start watching multiple ads in the middle of a 10 minute video as well. Like come on, not even broadcast TV is that annoying.
Shorts are such a stupidly blatant way to start showing more ads than content, and they make navigating channels impossible. Hell you can't even get away from ads in search results with premium.
Shorts are just a TikTok clone...
Noaw I understand why so many people hate shorts! I never use the official app or browser to watch, so I don't see the advertisements.
SponsorBlock addon
The holy trinity: ublock origin, sponsorblock and dearrow. Using all of them makes YT great again.
Adding an insane amount of ads is a dark pattern to convince you into joining Youtube Premium. Which is crazy expensive by the way, 13,99 $/month
Premium will eventually show ads too.
Honestly I bought YouTube premium through a VPN to turkey for that price for the entire year. Seems worth it.
Same here. I was listening to a beautiful violin piece being played by a soloist and an ad interrupted it. I would be fine with watching the ad before. I immediately went and watched it elsewhere.
Later, I came back to YouTube for something unrelated and had a message/popup that said 'tired of being interrupted? Upgrade to premium here!'
They know exactly what they are doing, trying to make it unbearable to use anything other than premium. They can get fucked.
Tired of Youtube? Try Odysee or peertube.
Or the knack of starting the add 2 seconds into a guitar solo...
Normal TV is infuriating enough that I can’t be bothered to watch any of that stuff. Watching videos on a computer is just so much nicer. If TV broadcasting stopped tomorrow and everyone around me was in a conspiracy of hiding it from me, it could take me years to find out.
YouTube has been going downhill for many years now, and there have been many incremental steps towards becoming as bad as TV. If they take that final step, I’ll start treating YT the same way I treat TV.