Microsoft wants to move Windows fully to the cloud
Microsoft wants to move Windows fully to the cloud
You might boot laptops straight into a cloud OS in the future
Microsoft wants to move Windows fully to the cloud
You might boot laptops straight into a cloud OS in the future
“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”
“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”
Lol, Not long ago I was called a right wing conspiracy nut for using that quote.
Ignore brainwashed people man
Feel like this may be missing needed context.
For example, if I say, "man, I'm going to take a huge bite out of that thing!" it's a different conversation if I'm looking at a big sandwich versus looking at a newborn baby.
So... Anything else you might want to share about your specific statement or its focus?
Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.
Oh my God, they're bringing back clippy.
That means a whole new market of NFT Clippy Skins can be established.
That fixes the main problem with Clippy, which was not using a blockchain.
If it's GPT4 though I might sell my soul for that kind of automation integrated into my PC....
Don't worry, you will.
That’s a big nope for me.
Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.
Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.
I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because "cloud bad" - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don't pay for windows, not paying for it isn't an option if they control it completely.
Will this actually be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, or will everyone just continue to say “but I can only do this on a PC” and not even attempt to look at Linux or MacOS as an alternative.
My moneys on the latter. People have been complaining about anti-consumer practices from Microsoft since Windows 7, but it always ends the same way. Microsoft has most of the world by the balls and they know they can squeeze tighter and tighter and not lose 99% of their customers.
Yup, that'd also be the case for people like me who stick with Windows for gaming compatibility/convenience reasons and critical GPU features the Linux drivers just don't implement (looking at you, DLDSR). That, or just anyone with a GPU, I suppose, assuming the hardware market would look remotely like it does nowadays by then.
There's definitely going to be a push for cloud gaming / cloud GPU + VDI, and with GPU pricing going the way nvidia is doing right now isn't going to help prevent adoption of that.
Didn't read the article.
The idea of online only software irritates me. Of course multiplayer games have to work this way. When blizzard and Ubisoft started requiring an active connection for single player games that was just going too far.
Can you imagine sitting at your computer, doing literally anything. The screen goes strait to blue with the windows shutting down screen saying, "Internet disrupted, please contact your provider for support".
Or trying to do any work on the go? This whole idea is just idiotic to me.
They will have to continue to offer some kind of offline option it seems, for people with flaky internet connections.
Never mind flaky internet, what about people that do events?
Things like PowerPoint presentation machines, VJ systems, video servers (for massive multiscreen playback).
You can't go into a field for a festival and expect reliable internet.
You can't go into a theatre and expect reliable internet, especially when 3k+ people turn up.
There are a few systems that run OSX, but Apple's hardware doesn't give you as much control as something like an Nvidia Quadro with sync cards. 99% of the big shows will be ran from Windows OS
I guess even a chromebook has some sort of offline apps and storage.
and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.
The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins
tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.
In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.
Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?
Are we doing the nobody reads the article thing here too? This isn't a replacement for Windows as an operating system, it's a cloud based version of the OS being sold to consumers. They're trying to compete with inexpensive Chromebooks, not take away your PC.
As an occasional sys admin, they've had stuff like this for enterprise forever, it's just self hosted. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up, they've been moving lots of their enterprise tech to consumer subscriptions.
Why would I read the article? I don't want to know the details. I want to be outraged.
I did, but it sounds like what the headlines implied to me
Microsoft has been increasingly moving Windows to the cloud on the commercial side with Windows 365, but the software giant also wants to do the same for consumers.
The idea of moving Windows fully to the cloud for consumers is also presented alongside Microsoft’s need to invest in custom silicon partnerships.
Yeah, it is fair to say it's just an alternative option to a non cloud based OS, but some people are extrapolating based on Microsoft moves the past few years with the subscription model they've pushed for Office and OS coming with office versions that require you to sign in to an account to use.
And versions of Windows that don't come with pre-installed ad apps like Facebook or Candy Crush aren't commercially available.
No thank you.
Also I bet instead of a one-time license you can have the privilege of paying $9.99 a month forever or lose access to all your files. And possibly requiring an internet connection to use your desktop computer?
Ya I'd be fully Linux after that. Still too many benefits of having your own hardware.
Well of course they do. They want to turn an every-few-years OS purchase into a monthly subscription fee, like they did with O365. And eventually they'll drop the ability to install apps except through their store (under the guise of providing "safety" from malicious apps), so that they can collect a commission on the third party software sales market as well.
The share holders they need more!!!
lets eat the shareholders
It's depressing to see. Unfortunately I'm heavily invested in music software which is not available on Linux. If Microsoft actually does this it could get to the point where even a switch to Apple seems better. But Linux is the only satisfactory and viable solution for actually having control of your machine.
WINE and similar tools have gotten really good in the past few years. Valve's Proton compatibility layer is good too, despite being designed for gaming many people are using it to run software which WINE itself struggles with.
It could very well be possible to run your music software with minimal tinkering.
Google tried that.
Anyway, I'll stick with Linux.
With Chromebooks? ChromeOS is a pretty solid Linux distro if you'd ask me. It is built around cloud-sync and Google Drive, but otherwise perfectly fine to use offline. Even Steam is supported nowadays
The best thing I ever did with that one used Chromebook I bought was install Gallium OS on it. I ended up with a fully functioning laptop that was able to fulfill my mobile computing needs for $50. It's a shame Gallium got discontinued. ChromeOS was very primitive and restrictive when I tried it 5 or 6 years ago, but you say they even support Steam now, so apparently they've made some improvements. Still wouldn't want to use it over a Linux distro like Gallium that would let me have full control of the device, though.
In case anyone reading this is interesting in alternatives to ChromeOS, more info can be found here: https://mrchromebox.tech/#alt_os
Haha that will be the year of the Linux desktop, in many ways
That was two years ago for me. Always happy to see articles like this.
Okay but what happens if you don't have a good net connection like at the coffee shop or airports? I swear sometimes people are clueless and just assume you always have good internet when that's not often the case!
Don't worry, you'll be able to purchase super duper satellite internet from microsoft. Or something.
I don't really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I'd rather not. Ffs.
Come over, it's nice here!
I tried it in the past, admittedly a long time ago, and it just wasn't great for my workflows.
I use Adobe products for the time being because the other available software doesn't have the features I need quite yet. They're getting closer year by year and I could see switching being way easier once they get more feature rich. But for right now I still need Windows for my creative programs.
Give Linux Mint a try. It is very similar to Windows and will make the transition very smooth. Pretty much any windows programs that you want to run you can run in a shell like Wine.
I like Mint and I tried Ubuntu, Debian and even Arch way back in the day just for funsies. I'm not unfamiliar with Unix based systems, I just use creative programs and that is Linux's biggest Achilles' heel. The alternatives to Adobe software just don't have the features I need yet. They're getting there but at this time it would be a rough transition.
Made the switch 4 years ago. No regrets.
Me too.
I originally intended to do a pcie passthrough setup with a second video card and use a Windows VM for gaming, but then DXVK hit and it just wasn't necessary. The Windows games I cared about worked under Linux so I never got around to it.
How is this supposed to work in countries that have bandwidth caps, or slow internet connections?
It seems like every company these days wants to move everything to the cloud, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. While something like this makes sense in some instances (like kiosks or similar maybe?) for the vast majority of use cases this is a non-starter.
When I had a laptop, it's wasn't always connected to the internet and it certainly did not have a mobile internet connection - nor would I pay for another one when I have a perfectly good one in the form of my phone.
Most of the time, believe it or not I didn't need an internet connection - half the time I was sitting at a park or a restaurant and playing singleplayer games or writing code.
I never connected to the restaurants free wifi, as I have trust issues with it. And I used a cable to hotspot when necessary. (Either that or i use the browser in my phone, mainly for stack overflow purposes)
If this happens, and windows goes Cloud ONLY - it would necessitate an always on and active internet connection.
God forbid if you decide to move out of signal range with it - let's say, watch a movie on the laptop while camping in the outback. On top of that, what if your internet goes down - ISPs can and have been a-holes in the past, and this isn't going to stop them in the future.
I have to wonder why anyone on earth would go for this? It's inherently limiting, despite all the AI gimmicks they are touting.
I for one and not switching back to windows any time soon - I mean I wasn't anyway, but I'm definitely not now.
On the other hand, this makes sense, why else would they release a sub par ARM chip in a surface pro 9 for the only 5G model? I always thought that decision made no sense. Now it makes perfect sense.
I live in a third world country. There is no way that this takes off here. Windows will just have to abandoned this country. But maybe they will as there is not a lot of money here. People will often buy laptops second hand at the market and the sellers load it with pirate content or can do it if they are asked. The only people really paying for Microsoft products here are the big corporations and foreigners, like myself, who are working here.
Additionally, most people just use their phones as a hotspot for data while at home. That is good enough for streaming and basic stuff. No one is going to get a fiber connection and pay a microsoft subscription. I honestly do not see this working here and I expect Microsoft will have to pull out or continue to offer offline options.
As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.
I'm kind of confused...if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?
Client side rendering and stuff? Your youtube video is still rendered locally.
Good luck to them. I’ve been very much enjoying Fedora since Windows 11 came out.
Well, concerning Fedora I have some bad news for you…
Please do tell?
Fedora, what is that?!
A version of linux (distro). I'm running Fedora and it's fantastic
It’s a distribution of Linux. Everything I was running on windows works pretty much the same minus the annoying shit that Microsoft brings to their OS
A Linux distribution, much like Ubuntu and Arch
It is one of the more user friendly distros and (somewhat unlike other user friendly distros like Linux Mint) is pretty quick at updating packages (including the kernel).
I want to move Windows fully to the Recycle Bin.
Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.
Assuming this will use OpenAI API like other Microsoft's AI products, this is going to be expensive to operate. Subsidizing it indefinitely is surely not an option. How would Microsoft monetize it? By charging subscription like GitHub Copilot, or monetizing it somehow using users data they collected? I assume it would be the latter.
There's talk about Microsoft SoCs on their own products, much like Apple does the M1 SoCs.
These Microsoft SoCs would be used in Surface devices and likely have dedicated AI hardware. Again, much like Apple.
If we're talking about specialized models, not one generic LLM for everything a la GPT4, they might not have to be THAT big and could run on reasonably powerful devices.
I really doubt that, at least for the next few years. "AI Assistant" usually means LLMs, and even M2 struggles to run them mostly due to large compute and RAM requirements. If Microsoft could somehow release a truly local AI assistant feature that can run on average windows users' hardware, that would be shake the whole ML field.
Microsoft has a track record of having excellent uptime! /s
I find it somewhat funny that this article came out on the day Microsoft 365 had an outage for most of the day.
Was already considering running Linux on my next machine. That just made it a definite. Is Mintos still the best choice for an everyday desktop?
Mint is a great choice, especially if you're looking for something that resembles the classic Windows (2k to 7) desktop paradigm.
you mean linux mint? it's pretty good and user-friendly, also has a nice community from my experience. would definitely recommend.
This sort of question is very much a matter of opinion, but Linux Mint is a very friendly desktop choice. It's become my go-to for all of my desktop installs.
Moving “Windows 11 increasingly to the cloud” is identified as a long-term opportunity in Microsoft’s “Modern Life” consumer space, including using “the power of the cloud and client to enable improved AI-powered services and full roaming of people’s digital experience.”
Intel and Microsoft have even hinted at Windows 12 in recent months, and Windows chief Panos Panay claimed at CES earlier this year that “AI is going to reinvent how you do everything on Windows.” All of this is part of Microsoft’s broad Windows ambition, detailed in its internal presentation, “to enable improved AI-powered services” in Windows.
Words cannot express how much I do not want to participate in this version of the future.
Of course they want to get as many people as possible to pay a monthly fee to use their cloud system. I'm sure they won't be going cloud only anytime soon, but they will keep making each new windows version worse than the previous one.
They won't get a single cent from me. I've been running Linux for the last 15 years. Wine, DXVK, and Proton keep getting better and I can run all of my games in Linux now.
Typical loop in this case:
In a few months/years
We've seen this spiel a few times, companies want to move to the cloud and then don't because it's ridiculous and plenty of things are just fine on local machines.
I don't lend this any more credence than all the "we'll all be gaming in the cloud in 10 years" crap when stuff like GeForce Now was popping up.
Or switch to Linux and never look back. I've been using it for close to 4 years now and the only time I almost miss Windows is when having to make a PowerPoint presentation. Everything else is better on Linux, including gaming.
Just another move toward " you will own nothing and you will be happy". Gotta resist the botnet people, Free software anarchy ftw!
The road to (technological) serfdom
I switched to Linux a long time ago, it's only getting better and better. After valve started making serious investments in the ecosystem it has only gotten better for desktop usage and it simply 'works' in ways that even windows struggles with, ie: ps4 controllers/switch controllers work ootb, gamescope allows significantly more control over how games are rendered and offers a true console-like experience combined with big picture UI.
Just another case of "you will own nothing...". Come on over to Linux, where the ISOs are plentiful.
Without reading the article, this smells a lot like #enshittification
Before you know it, you'll need a active subscription, power and internet to open your butt plug to take a shit.
That’s a big nope for me.
Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.
Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.
I'm surprised they're bothering to focus on consumer devices instead of just going all-out on enterprise and business.
Cloud workstations make a lot of sense for when you need the extra grunt occasionally and have a rock-solid internet connection, but about the only reason the average consumer would want to use them on a portable device is gaming. Everything else you can do locally or as a web app.
And even gaming has been a bit rocky, though it has its small cult of followers.
As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.
Assuming this is just fancy talk for Remote Desktop to the average user and hosted by MS.
More reasons to switch to Linux and stay there.
Once you're logged into Windows 365 you're technically using their hardware and just streaming the use to your machine. You will have almost no control over your own device because it isn't actually your own device. Your own device has been turned into a television, a device that just plays what another device is displaying.
This is about property and ownership and how Microsoft wants to take those things away from you. They want full control of how you use their operating system, and when they force users to use their software and hardware, they will acheive it.
What a terrible fucking idea
This seems odd to me, I've dabbled with Linux before but I'm generally a macos guy where the os is the free bit. Charging for an os is outdated surely?
The only difference historically is that with Mac you always pay for the OS when you pay for the computer, whereas this is usually but not always the case with Windows for home users. But all software companies are realizing that subscription models effectively hold people's files to ransom and force them to pay way more than they would for a permanent licence, and Microsoft is getting in on that.
With desktop Linux improving all the time, anyone who doesn't need Windows-specific software is better off with that.
Yeah good point about the hardware. It's been well over a decade since I played with Ubuntu and a few others so the support has probably improved a lot by now.
Might finally convince me to move fully to Linux.....
Did nobody read the article? Nowhere does it say they would make Windows cloud-only. They're talking about renting out virtual machines.
Did nobody read the article?
Doesn't sound like it. Some people even admitted that straight up.
I don't see anywhere they are saying that they are getting rid of installed Windows, just providing a different avenue of Windows usage, something to compete with the ChromeOS type of uasge.
Step 1: renting out virtual machines.
Step 2: renting out all machines.
Don't be fooled.
Yeah, stuff like this is why I just recently changed back to mac a week ago (after years of hating them). For gaming I swapped my Xbox X to PS5 too at the same time (the Xbox X can't even remote play in windows because I just get a black screen, which is embarressing for them).
Got sick of Edge hijacking my Chrome tabs randomly too. Things are getting worse in windows, not better
I haven't run Linux in ages (2012 maybe?) But I'm about ready to give it another look. I use windows on my machine less and less frequently, and it seems like it's never been easier to switch to something less "taking all the control away from the user" focused.
I've been using Linux at home for ages (20-25 years ) and haven't missed the "Windows experience" one bit.
I suddenly feel an urge to install Arch
Ugh, rent seeking. Typical
Did you know Windows10 LTSC exists? It's mainly free of any telemetry and you can tweak it fully, and even remove Edge by force if you need to ( though I believe you can also force remove Edge in the normal versions). Been much happier with the version.
Although it's generally good idea, you will have hardware/software issues in the future. As I remember there is LTSB out there and it was pretty solid, but in times I used it long ago, I already had a lot of issues that required hours to find a workaround.
Not really surprising, it is what they earn on
Cool, I've been looking for an excuse to move to Linux again. I tried ubuntu years ago but it was too limited in features and capabilities to fully replace windows for my productivity needs. Time for me to dual-boot so I can start getting more practice with Linux (Probably going to go for Linux Mint this time around)
You could try distrosea before committing to an install.
It gives you a VM online to play around in for almost any distro you can think of.
Don’t forget that desktop environment (DE) and distro are decoupled in Linux, so if you didn’t like the feel of Ubuntu (GNOME DE) you can go with Kubuntu (KDE Plasma DE). Both are on DistroSea.
I highly recommend KDE these days, on Ubuntu or other. It's just so damn usable and flexible.
I've dabbled in Linux for decades, but fully switched to Linux as my daily driver about 5 years ago. I still have a Windows partition set up for dual boot, but only boot into it once every couple months now to run very specific software. I can honestly say I miss nothing about Windows. Linux has matured leaps and bounds even in the past 5 years. Gaming, productivity, programming, hobby. It can do it all. I will admit there is still a technical barrier to entry. You will need to get used to the command line and searching the web frequently for how to do something. But if you have those skills I don't think it's a contest anymore. Linux is the better OS.
I've been on Fedora for about a year and I'm very particularly making a point of never opening the terminal to prove it's no longer necessary.
So far, haven't needed it.
I don't have a problem doing things by the command line... it's certainly sometimes easier that way. This is just a response to the people that complain about having to use it. Turns out, they really don't.
Agreed. I've been lazy because I'm a gamer, but at this point it's time. I hope the other game companies can figure out something like Proton to play on Mint.
It's actually hilarious that consoles might become the new must-have gaming equipment because of this.
Kill two birds with one stone, get a Steam Deck?
You get a distro (arch) wrapped up into an excellent gaming device, and can drop into desktop mode for productivity needs. For 400 bucks, it's a pretty sweet setup, imo.
Or, if you have the machine already, certainly take advantage of the enhancements Steam has contributed to proton, and game on.
You can play nearly anything through proton by adding the game's .exe as a non steam game. ProtonDB is a valuable resource.. You can install Mint alongside windows anyway and just boot winders for the games that don't run on Linux.
I agree, I think if this is how windows goes forward a lot of tech people will leave their ecosystem entirely. The one thing stopping them is the convenience of windows (mostly free if you know what you are doing and most processes don't need to be thought about). A subscription based OS throws everything out the door. This gives them an unbelievable amount of control over what you see/do/store. Want to view a website for linux installation? "Nope that goes against our T&Cs, you've been banned from your OS with all your information on it".
The upside I see will be linux will start becoming easier on everyday users because the tech people switched and want the convenience
The tech people switched long ago.
Linux distros like Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint and Pop! have been fully capable of replacing Windows for typical work and home uses for several years.
Even gaming is very close to being on-par now.
There are still niches dependent on Windows, like specialized engineering software or anyone that simply refuses to use anything other than Adobe products.
Yup, I totally have been making the switch to Open-Source software or browser-based software (like Photopea) for the past few years to ensure I'd be able to easily make the switch when windows finally pisses me off enough. But I think I'm already at that stage - every major windows-10 update seems to break more and more features on my computer lol
@floofloof. That's a hard no. I mean if work wants to do it....ok? But on my own machines....Linux or Mac. I can just picture some jerk DDOSing it.
That's going to be interesting.
Here in Germany, we are forced to use Windows in schools because "it's what the kids need in the real world".
By forcing Windows to work cloud-only, they are literally making it illegal to use in schools here, because we can't force children to use anything doing data-harvesting in order to pursue their education.
Fun times ahead!
At this rate if Germany becomes a leader in exporting non data harvesting devices/vehicles I can assure you I'll be buying all my electronics from Germany soon enough.
in the US, all the kids use chrome books, data harvesting is rampant
Sounds like the beginning of the Linux revolution starting with kids!
based microsoft accelerating linux growth by making windows shit 🙏
Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.
Omg... The return of Clippy
Cool so not only do you need to power your local device you also need to power servers and eat up loads of internet bandwidth. Super efficient.
All so they can force you to pay a monthly subscription.... Thank Gaben Valve is investing so much in Linux gaming.
What is the best resource for learning other OS? I'm thinking Linux but am pretty open since I am not knowledgeable.
Honestly, in my opinion/my experience the best way to learn linux is to (1) just jump in and start using it and (2) being patient with yourself while you adjust. Nothing makes you quite as comfortable with using an operating system like using it every day, even if all you do is boot it up, open a web browser and watch gifs of cats on the Internet. When I was making the switch, it was invaluable to just be in there, using regularly. Second was also to be patient with myself. I found, at first, that i was getting frustrated when I needed to troubleshoot something because I was so used to the Windows way of things. I had to give myself time to learn and adapt.
Just install yourself a Linux and search the web when in need 🙂
It depends on what you are trying to learn. If it's just using it as a desktop then it's more a matter of just using it for a while to change your muscle memory from Win or Mac.
If you're looking for more of a command line/server experience, most distros have excellent documentation. This may be a minority opinion, but I personally like Oracle Linux (a Red Hat clone) and their documentation; https://docs.oracle.com/en/operating-systems/oracle-linux/index.html
I also like FreeBSD which isn't technically Linux but very similar in a lot of regards. They also have excellent documentation; https://docs.freebsd.org/en/
Ultimately, which distro you wind up liking is entirely subjective and one of the great aspects of the open source world. Oracle in particular you may see a lot of hate towards, but I've always had good success with their products and support. Best of luck!
This might be a hot take but I wonder how this would be priced.
It could be handy for cloud gaming (since gforce now publishers are trying to block it).
"You will own nothing and you will love it" jesus. All in on OpenAI and automation.