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Reddit Admins hand /r/SnackExchange over to a moderator with no experience. Other subreddit moderators fight in comments.

teddit.hostux.net [Discussion] Back to normal-ish, hopefully, for now : r/snackexchange

Hey all, /r/snackexchange is under new management. A rundown of what's happened and where things go from here. I'll tr

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This is hilarious tbh. Please don’t get me wrong, I really feel for the mods who put so much time and energy into the sub (all subs for that matter). It sucks.
But god, watching reddit implode feels so fucking good. Spez is an abrasive asshole and, it turns out, also a moron, and it’s nice to see his web site fall from grace so publicly.
- I can't wait to see their IPO fail dismally, at least I hope so.
  
  I don't think it will. They will go with the "single greatest resource for AI data" angle and make bank. They aren't ignoring this backlash just to kill some apps.
  
  at least I hope so.
  I don't think it will.
  Sorry for refusing to participate in this extremely gay "fuck u/spez!" circlejerk, but at this point it seems clear that they won.
  Oh, well. Lemmy works just fine. Can we move on now?
- Spez is an abrasive asshole and, it turns out, also a moron
  Is he really abrasive? I haven't seen him say anything outside of what I'd expect an exec of a company to say.
  Is he really a moron? Dude is walking away with a lot of zeros in his bank account. From what I can tell, it sounds like he's pretty happy with the outcome.
  
  God I’m so tired of seeing people equate being rich with not being a fucking moron.
  
  is he really abrasive?
  Spez is a liar, a cheat and a habitual editor of comments that insult him. He’s also incredibly petty and rude.
  is he really a moron?
  He hired 2,000 employees to run a site like Reddit, has effectively destroyed the website’s image and the ongoing protests have revealed to people why it’s such a shitty investment.
  His riches are all luck, not brains; he can’t even sell one of the most visited sites in the world without gutting it first.
  
  I haven't seen him say anything outside of what I'd expect an exec of a company to say.
  Then you really haven't been paying any attention whatsoever.
  For example, do you honestly expect a company exec, on the eve of an IPO, to tell a news reporter "We've never made any profit" on the site that's been billed as "the front page of the internet" for at least a decade, with hundreds of millions of users? That's a smart executive business move to you?
  
  Gotta make money for when the world ends.
  Can we find his bunker and take turns shitting in it?
  
  So one individual's bank account is more valuable than a community for millions world wide?
  Death of the Commons in deed indeed.

This is why their moderators' best weapon is to not moderate and let all hell break loose. Reddit will then be forced to pull this shit and it'll go to hell fast. It's their best weapon, better than going NSFW or dark in protest. Just silently stop moderating and let Reddit and advertisers notice when they aren't.
- Sadly people are quite dedicated to doing work for free for some reason
  
  Well, it's not a huge mystery or anything...people love the communities they build up. You feel a sense of loyalty to the people and to the idea behind the community.
  From the outside looking in, I can see it being "working for free", but by that measure wouldn't any instance of you contributing anything that benefits others to be "working for free"?
  Half of the tech support knowledge I have comes from people "working for free".
  I think the sad part about Reddit is that there's still a lot of people that want to hold on to what they've built up, and Reddit is banking on that to force them to change.
  
  Whis understandable and actually great! But if they get screwed over by a profit hungry company for doing work for the community.

Incoming revolving door of Mods who get burnt.
The line of people who want the authority but whom cannot handle the responsibility extends around the block.
Mod turnover will go through the roof. Make no mistake, this is not an untried strategy from Reddit. You get rid off those who can do the job well but are not on-board, you replace them with sycophants who cannot do the job but will tow the line. When shit goes south you hang them out to dry and get in the new batch. Very well known corporate strategy.
- I have zero modding experience, but I know that doing the job well would be harder (and more time consuming) than it looks.
  I’m guessing that most new mods that reddit will end up with just want the “power” but will fall on their faces when it comes to performance. I’m grateful to the good mods on every site/sub/instance who do it for free. Thanks, everyone!
  
  You are exactly right. Those signing up don't know what they are signing up for. They just want the perceived power that comes with the title.
  Hence my comment about seeing a revolving door of mods in the near future.
  
  I’ve modded a fair few subs. It’s difficult, boring and thankless work for no reward beyond the satisfaction of smoothly running a community you’re passionate about…or power tripping, for those who’re into that.
  Most people who end up becoming mods will burn out pretty fucking quick. Not to mention, there’ll be cases where a sub requires a certain subject matter expert for mod work and…well, those ain’t easy to find.
- Yep, I have experience with volunteer work (not on reddit, in an actual organization with good intended objectives).
  The organization is great, we are ALL volunteers, from the directives to the everyday volunteers. ALL money made goes back into making the project reach wider, don't want to give many details but money goes into giving out free or very accesible education and health-related services to those in need. We have access to the numbers, its all transparent.
  The coworkers are nice, its a very niche area of work and we all know one another (so you also make connections with some important people in the field). Some of us have long lasting friendships. The directives of the organization are a mix of founders and the longer lasting volunteers that want to take on those roles. All positions are decided by vote of the community, anyone from the community can apply to any role and pitch in their ideas to make it better. We do that every six months.
  It opens many many doors for you, can't begin to count the amount of stuff I learned, the amount of opportunities that stemed from that (internships, jobs, grants... etc) and volunteers get to use all services the organization provides for free (so I got free education, very discounted health-related services for my family, etc.)
  All this to say this is a nice place with a nice working environment (all things reddit is not), that actually gives voice and opportunities to everyone involved.
  All that, and we still can't make most of our volunteers stay longer than a few months, because when any other compromise comes up, volunteer work is the first thing to go (which is logical, that's life). So good luck to reddit, getting anyone to stay without the proper tools and right in the middle of the IPO dumpster fire
- If you elect me as head mod I promise to only ban people who I don't like (I hate everyone)
  
  I'm afraid to say I'm a mod on FB lol, but it's a UK US based weather group that I'm very passionate about with 92k members.
  Basically as a mod, never argue with a member, never show a member up to the rest of the group, there are better ways to deal with things other than flat out banning someone. Being a mod should be keeping things under control so the group remains a good place to go. That's all.
  Our main problem is the fake accounts from the Military pilots wanting to speak to the lovely ladies or make you a killing with bitcoin lol.

So he scabs as a total noob first time mod, AND his whole plan is rely on bots that won't work in a few days and require govt id to mail someone some chips?
Fucking lulz
Shoutout to the mod who just bailed immediately 😂

It frustrated me when Reddit made the initial decision to screw over app developers. Having done dev work in the past, I know the time that goes in to them so someone asking for a little money in return is the least we can do. But no, Reddit just say "Screw you guys"!
As if that was not enough, they are now showing that they really don't care about the many moderators that have painstakingly put years of 'free' time in to building these communities, the same communities that are the foundation of Reddit!
I am sure we are going to see a lot more of these admin takeovers in the coming weeks and it is the very reason I am over here and why Lemmy is seeing the incredible growth curve. Long may that continue.

His replies to negative feedback is either "deal with it xoxoxo" or "you're right but I don't really care lol".
Something tells me it ain't gonna work.

The moderator with no experience will be more likely to do what they want.

I just deleted my account. Welp that's 15 years gone. Feels good. Tastes like chicken.
- Ditto. I've been on Reddit since before the big Digg exodus. Cancelled my premium sub and deleted my account on Sunday.
- It will be back, I have tried deleting my account about 6 times now and it always gets undeleted along with all the content.
- 14 years here. Ran it through https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite first, without deleting the account, in case they restore the comments: https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite/issues/43
  PS: I know about the implications of potentially removing contributions to the internet. But, I'm not about to go through a decade+ plus of comments and posts in order to find the tiny amount of things that could actually be useful for others.
  
  PS: I know about the implications of potentially removing contributions to the internet.
  Reddit does not get to continue to profit off of any contributions I've made to the internet, one way or another. Anyone convincing you not to delete comments on reddit is a scab more concerned with maintaining the status quo so they don't get inconvenienced.

That dude is pathetic.
- The fun part is he is bragging about coming here.
  @icxcnika Anything you would like to add?
- It's like when they replace a character with a worse version in a show.
  
  This is more of a game of thrones when the bad guys win scenario
- This guy is another level of pathetic, holy fuck, what a fucking tool, absolutely no integrity.

I used to love that sub. Not that I ever actually exchanged snacks, but I thought it was cool that random people would just get together and mail snacks from one side of the world to another.
- Ohhh.. Snacks! I was reading Snakes the whole time I was reading this thread and was really confused! (Curse my brain)
  
  I read that as "Curse my Brian"
- Ohh so that's what it is, from the name I thought it would be a meme sub about Stack Exchange

lol Reddit’s death has finally started. Can’t wait to see spez’s asswipe shills bring the whole thing down with their incompetence.
EDIT: I went through the subredditdrama post, and looking at some of the comments made me glad I’m leaving that place.
- Should we start our own subredditdrama? Or is there one? I foresee lots of this kind stuff on the way.
  
  You mean for Reddit drama, or Lemmy drama?
- Now that I have some distance from daily reddit, and time in what is really a much better community here, going back there makes me realize how poor quality so much of the content is, both posts and comments.
  
  Yeah, much of Reddit is absolute trash. It’s really hard to find dedicated communities for anything, but most of ‘em are much better than Reddit for everything ‘cept reach.
  Really, the only communities I’ll miss are niche hobby communities. The rest of the website could crash and burn for all I care.

Services like Stripe allow people in over 100 countries to match face to government-issued-ID to prove their identity (at a cost of about $1.50 per verification).
AHAHAHAHAHAHA Are you for real right now?
"Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!"

I think those are called death throes.
death throes noun : the violent movements and noises that are sometimes made during passing.

Sounds exactly like the behaviour of a company headed towards an IPO. Keep that dumpster fire burning!

Just let it burn down at this point. Shorting this stock is going to be easy easy money
- I am not a broker, this is not financial advice, don’t sue me if this doesn’t work, etc
  
  Was thinking the same thing earlier.
  
  But basically, you're guaranteed to double your money. You literally can't lose.
- Remember kids, "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
  
  Counter-point: just do it, pussy, you'll be fiiiiine!
- Can you short an IPO?
  
  If you’re a mere mortal you have to wait for your broker to have a sufficient number of shares available for shorting. If you’re a giant hedge fund or other financial entity with a blatant disregard for the rules, then sure. You just short the stocks naked and issue a failure to deliver if you can’t locate enough shares to cover.

Oof. I read a decent amount of comments, definitely getting shill/snitch/power seeking vibes, add to that the admins...what a shit show

In 3 days when third party apps die it's going to be so fucking funny lmao. Lemmy is gonna explode.
- That is a problem... if it does, there needs to be an announcement made on time by the biggest instances to NOT register on them, but register on smaller instances.
  
  People are going to all be sheep and go to the biggest one regardless, assuming it is just like Reddit.

Damn, this subreddit will surely meet it's demise
Having no mod is better than having a bad one

Insult to injury. What a smug usurping little scab.

Would love a subreddit drama over here lol
- I mean right now it feels like most posts are subreddit drama.
  
  All the more reason to have a ~~subreddit~~ community specialising in it.
  
  /c/subreddit_drama let’s go!

Does the snack exchange now include gifs of popcorn?

I'd like to see about implementing some sort of identity verification service for the sub. I'm an IT engineer/developer, so coding is absolutely my forte... Services like Stripe allow people in over 100 countries to match face to government-issued-ID to prove their identity (at a cost of about $1.50 per verification).
YIKES
- Honestly though .... with the disinformation campaigns at State scale, the botnets, the AI content, and whatever comes next, how do we not have to have a verified human user internet in the next 20 years?
  
  Thats a really good question. The only options I can think of is better captchas or to straight up consider any output from a machine as inadmissible/unverifiable
  
  That is the among the last things on earth I would ever want jesus christ

WTF is this happy horseshit?
I'd like to see about implementing some sort of identity verification service for the sub.
- Exactly my response too. Like this inexperienced mod takes the sub by playing nice with the admins and the first thing they want to implement is identity verification? Dafaq
  Does he know he is a 'Reddit' mod?
  
  Probs first time in his life he got some Power over something and instantly power trips.
- It's real simple, see, just hold your passport up to your face..
  
  And next, give me each of your fingers. We want to sure its really you! We can’t have you scamming for snacks now, can we?

Cool, now do AskHistorians
- Did they migrate yet? I keep not logging in to reddit...

Pretty much the same thing happened to /r/assholedesign. They made someone that's been inactive for two years the lead mod and they reopened the sub. There's like no chance ppl aren't getting paid to backstab the other mods.

I like the new mod's comment about how modding will be easy because of the bots. Lol
- O.M.G.
  SnackExchange is a pretty light-touch subreddit. "Problem people" are a rarity here; the anti-scammer bot does an incredibly good job of keeping would-be scammers out, and you'll find that cases of fraud/scam, while they do ever happen, are extremely rare. As such, I genuinely envision myself needing to do very little. I'm always nervous to use the "nah this community just runs itself!" phrasing, but.... it really does come pretty close.
  
  I genuinely envision myself needing to do very little
  Seems like a great choice for head mod.
  
  I don't think they truly realize why "problem people" are so rare
  
  I can't see any problems, therefore there must not be any problems!
  Stupid bastard.
  
  Oh, sweet summer child
- So many astroturf vibes coming off this new mod's post...

I've deleted all my content I can across 3 accounts and a decade of posts and comments one thing though I have thousands of coins. I've never bought any before they are all rewards from posts. I kinda want to spend them on something.
- I deleted my 11 year old account history yesterday. And will be deleting my account on Friday. I’m gonna delete my other accounts today, save for my porn account, which I’ll keep until they pull a tumblr. I don’t feel so bad about it since they don’t get any advertising dollars from those subs.
  
  I'd suggest hanging on to those empty accounts for a while, just to be sure you've gotten everything. Even if your profile page looks blank, you may have comments older than the 1000 comment limit that still exist, as do any comments/posts made in subs that have gone private.
- I kinda want to spend them on something.
  How about comments promoting the Fediverse?
- I went through and gilded a bunch of posts telling people how to move to tildes/fediverse/etc, or who pointed out major flaws in reddit's positions.
  Oh, I also unsubbed from all the subreddits I was in, didn't want me included as part of an inflated subscriber count.
  
  I didn't think of that! The inflated subscriber count!
  Reddit seems so clunky compared to Lemmy now. I used the official ap anyway so the whole 3rd party thing didn't actually affect my direct experience. But obviously their actions affect us all.
  Anyway, I like using lemmy straight on the mobile browser, just looks so much nicer among other things
- Can you buy popcorn with it?
- I spent all mine on spez AMA. All of it was free.

Grabbing popcorn 🍿

It would be a shame if people posted about them on linkedin

Let them fight, they might actually learn that being a (good) mod is not a cakewalk.

never heard of this sub and it sounds kind of gross just from the name tbh.
i find it hilarious that the new mod wants to implement an elaborate ID system and ??Escrow??. wow. he¹ sounds like he would like to implement the stories told by all the conspiracy people on the sub. maybe he plans to put this on his job application for the gates foundation lololol Sounds like a deeeeeelicious time.
GOOD LUCK FRIEND
1 - do not think it is too far out on a limb to assume male gender in this case.

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