Trump Just Released His Plan to Revoke Birthright Citizenship. It’s Worse Than Imagined.
Trump Just Released His Plan to Revoke Birthright Citizenship. It’s Worse Than Imagined.
Applied retroactively and recursively, it would strip citizenship from effectively all Americans
That’s the point. They have a weapon that can be used against anyone, and it’s already shown they don’t care about due process. The courts gave him everything he needs.
I think this is a great point. If they dispute the immigration status of your great grandpappy, oh looks like you're an illegal based on this purely unconstitutional "inherited status" doctrine.
Edit: The 14th amendment specifically mentions "born" in the US to prevent the use of the law to do things like this aimed at former slaves. Its no surprise that this kind of thing is being attempted by maga nazis.
Right?
I'm wondering if there's a way I can use this to get deported to the lands of my great great great great grandparents (Germany or the Netherlands or somewhere idk)
They wouldn't take my stupid ass otherwise
Nah, they'll send you to CECOT or fucking South Sudan in stead
No they’ll send you to CECOT or just make you stateless and dump you somewhere random with nothing
Don't worry they're already floating the idea of slavery so illegals can work farms
I'm wondering about this also except my lawful parents have been here only about 30 years. I don't know if their legal status when I was born is 'legal enough' for me to remain even when birthright was perfectly intact at the time. I'd probably have three options of countries to go to. But only if they will accept 'stateless U.S. citizens' is another matter because the Global North is gungho about anti-immigration and that includes asylum.
My dirt farmer ancestors got here in like 1890, too late to fight against the Yahnkeez, just in time to steal land from the Indians.
So I guess I'm either Scottish or stateless now. I'm not sure which is worse. (Just kidding, Scots)
I cannot fucking wait for a bunch of white removed to be all “why my baby not American, I vote for you!”
FAFO
How will this impact the people in the Epstein Files?
Donald J Trump
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All Republicans
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Half of Democrats
That is a great question. Thanks for bringing it up.
This
Does this include Marco Rubio, whose grandfather was an illegal immigrant?
No it ain't, experts have been telling us the whole time that no one is safe.
First they came for the Mexicans, I just cracked open a bud light...
So, recursively and retroactively. So who is a citizen then? People who pay the $5m? People who are naturalized? Party loyalists? Does servitude guarantee citizenship? I would like to know more.
The more of these boxes you can check, the “safer” you are….
White.
Wealthy.
Straight.
Male.
Christian.
And well-connected and have rightthink. Those are more important than the others. You can check all your boxes, but too much wrongthink and you'll be against the wall before you know what's happening.
Party > Wealth > orientation > race/gender > religion (Just keep it quiet.)
Not even service guarantees citizenship as multiple veterans have been deported
service hasn't guaranteed citizenship since Trump scrapped the program in his first term
It's not a nation anymore it is more a club. Do they have membership discounts? /s
I'm doing my part!
Fucking fascists. We should still be accepting immigrants through Ellis Island (in my humble opinion)
No! Don't be humble about that, that's just simply how this country was founded.. and I don't mean the exploiters, I mean the countless immigrants who form the working class since then. That is more than something to take pride in.
I had a little "debate" where it was being argued the US was never a melting pot, and if it was ever, it isn't anymore. How defeatist is that? To let the undeniable presence of so many cultures wither just as these ethnonationalists intend.. You have to be bold, else you lose what you once had, or worse, never achieve anything greater.
To that end, USCIS declared flatly that the children of immigrants who are “unlawfully present” will “no longer be U.S. citizens at birth.” They will, instead, inherit the status of their parents, rendering them detainable and deportable as infants and throughout their lives. There is no indication that the government will provide some grace period before snatching up and imprisoning this new underclass of noncitizen babies; they are apparently subject to arrest from the moment of birth.
@xylol Is one of those who brought it up.
One of the steps that will lead to mass corporate slavery.
"Former" Americans will be bought and sold, or "disposed of", to pay off their "debt" for being allowed to stay on American soil.
So. This is what will cause a revolution. Believe that.
Will anything cause a revolution?
From an outside-the-US perspective, it feels as though every incremental assault the USA’s constitution is met with a bit of tut-tutting and complaining about why elected members don’t fix things, then back to apathy 48 hours later.
If this goes through and birthright citizenship falls, so does the rest of the Constitution.
Isn't birthright citizenship a human right or UN right or something?
No.
To render someone stateless is a HR violation (UDHR article 15), but there are plenty of countries that do not grant citizenship simply because a person is born within their borders (eg most of Europe).
But birthright citizenship is Good, imo.
The world is pretty divided in giving citizenship based on the person's parents or on place of birth: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
The United States has granted birthright citizenship to virtually all children born on its soil since 1868.
No, not virtually all. Less than that. Most, yes.
