Trump Just Released His Plan to Revoke Birthright Citizenship. It’s Worse Than Imagined.
Trump Just Released His Plan to Revoke Birthright Citizenship. It’s Worse Than Imagined.
This gets my 'I'm too scared to read' award for the day
It's pretty vile. I don't blame you.
Read it and prepare to fight it. These cowards expect us to cower and hide. Resist.
Wait... I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn't citizenship be determined at that time, then?
They can't even get their own story straight.
Almost like they never actually cared and were just lying to manipilate you, or something!
If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.
The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don't need to be consistent, it is all about "winning" to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to "win".
With this all out attack on American Citizens. It makes me wonder, if we're their enemy, who are their allies? And also why aren't more Heritage Foundation buildings and Republican Offices on fire?
Their allies? White Racists, neo-Nazis, everyone who wants a dictatorship and the Russians. All of them are worthless shits.
Don't forget the ultra rich, as much as the ultra rich would like you to forget them.
Hmm who has well documented ties to this administration and would be happy with the downfall of America as a world power? This is one I’ll have to Putin the ol’ think tank for a while
Their allies are white white supremacists who don't consider you people and because Americans have a severe case of invertebrate-osis respectively.
Because Americans are cowards
What's his plan to release the Epstein files?
This is the actual point
DO NOT LET HIM DISTRACT US FROM THE EPSTEIN FILES WITH THIS CRAZY PLAN
I think this is the game to watch...the epstien files will just be entertaining, Trump is doing all of this clutching pearls stuff over the EF to get a bunch of other stuff passed...they've had a bunch of time to doctor the EF . When finally released it will be a shell of actual facts, hell my bets on Greta thurnburg being a client.
It sounds like he's trying to recreate Epstein's empire himself. Why else would they want to arrest babies?
This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.
The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.
The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate
Or we could shift to systems that don't require us to be cancer.
Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.
But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.
Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.
People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That's what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.
This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It's a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife's edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It's like they're controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.
I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.
Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.
None of that explains how they plan to get around the Constitution, though...which is very clear in its interpretation.
"What are you going to do about it?".
Just like everything else he does
In June, however, the Supreme Court expressly permitted the government to begin “developing and issuing public guidance about the executive’s plans to implement” Trump’s order. Acting on that decision, an immigration agency released the first stage of its “implementation plan” last Friday.
From the article. This is basically their plan for once the Supreme Court allows it.
The court didn't actually rule that Trump's changes to birthright citizenship are legal, they only ruled that the lower courts couldn't issue nationwide injunctions to stop him.
That doesn't explain how they plan to get around the 14th amendment, though. It just outlines what they plan to do, once they have.
You're forgetting something: laws and constitutions don't matter unless those in charge of enforcing it agree with it.
Enforcing laws, the Constitution, judgements from judges - all that is done by the executive.
When there's a fascist corrupt executive function, you get selective enforcement and convenient ignoring of parts of the law, serving the double effect of 1) keeping the corrupt executive in power and in control and 2) discrediting the institutions, furthering the corruption.
Yay.
And at some point, you will also get civil war. It's one thing for Trump to use legal slight-of-hand to look for loopholes in the Constitution...but it's another thing entirely for him to simply violate it.
There is nothing in the legal framework of the United States that allows any president to simply overrule a Constitutional amendment. The 2nd amendment exists to protect the others from an autocratic tyrant.
The Constitution is just a piece of paper with words in it. We need people to enforce the Constitution with political power.
It's only a piece of paper with words in it, if no one is willing to stand up and defend it. We the People can enforce it.
Conservatism: where suffering and pain is the purpose.
It’s become a cult of evil.
Become?
Literally the people who founded the ideology directly refered to poor people as dirt/dirty. Conservatism is a cancer on the world and anyone who supports is just a broken, anti-social fuckwad and/or deeply stupid. Just a load of obvious evil.
Actually i think thry ate chocolate out silver goblets in fiume
It is the ideology of bullies and I've devoted my life to destroying them
Becoming?
checks past century of notes
I can't argue with this view anymore
Under these rules, Trump himself isn't a citizen
And his, ahem, 'wife' is definitely not.
Here's another thing to think about... This is another distraction because the obese tangerine is on the Epsteins kiddie fiddling list. He's a convicted rapist and rapes children.
Hitler didn't have blonde hair either
Back to Oompa Loompa Land he goes.
Wow, what an "efficient" way to ruin people's lives. For no reason but the cruelty itself. The UN list of human rights has been ignored completely by most, if not all countries. But everybody is supposed to be entitled to a nationality. Otherwise, where the hell are you going to live? A small uninhabited unowned island? Antarctica? So, in a disturbingly normal turn of events, the government has infringed upon its residents human rights.
They could join the tech- and cryptobros on their libertarian dream cruiseships.
I don't think most women could be desperate enough to join Elon's harem. But then again, plenty of women in significantly less dire situations have in fact joined his harem.
As their slaves and concubines!
I don't understand why this would be a massive problem in the USA. My country (the netherlands) doesn't have birthright citizenship and it hasn't caused any issues. Why would it be different in the USA?
The Netherlands has citizenship for people born in the country while their primary residence is in the Netherlands which is pretty similar. It's important because it was outright guaranteed in the 14th Amendment, which was written to make sure that formerly enslaved African-Americans had a nationality. The country also has an obscenely large and corrupt deportment force, ICE. The country has an extremely long history of immigration, which continues to this day. As far as I know, there's a lot fewer people moving to the Netherlands, far fewer entering from non-European countries.
This horrific and vile, this is why I wish we could've gotten a different outcome with the election. More horrible news to add onto an ever-growing pile of shit. I wish my mom would've chosen to divorce my dad and took us to Germany...Fleeing this rotting nation would've been a boon!
The UK and Australia have been infringing upon trans rights and free speech recently. Makes me think this might be a return to the Western world's roots. Hopefully, Ireland will be left alone for once, I can move there, and become an alcoholic.
Yes, UK and Aussie Terfs have been trying to disenfranchise transmen and women for a long while, unfortunately J. K. Rowling gave them a nasty opening to make their cruel work stick. I do hope for a revolution against these egregious acts, as American ancestors fought to make the English fuck right off. Ireland will likely fall to a similar fate, as there is a rise of anti-trans rhetoric in that nation too. I don't think many places are going to be safe in the world. Barring communities who give a shit about their fellow humans, of course!
Any idea what the process is to move to Ireland (from the States)?
But we saved Gaza by not electing Kamala. Didn’t we? The internet told me so.
So if as an American, you were to lose your documentation, unless you are lily white, you can be contained by ICE.
Be scared.
I see withholding licenses and registrations as a tactic pigs are going to use in the future.
No, ICE can still detain you if you’re lily white. Race is only an excuse to get started; they will deport dissidents with this eventually.
The immigration courts happen to be directly ran by the executive branch. They're firing any judge who isn't onboard.
No not your documentation. Your parent's documentation
Yeah, but also for most things requiring proof of citizenship in the US, people generally use their birth certificate or a document, like a passport or real ID, that was originally obtained with a birth certificate. If birthright citizenship is no longer a thing, how would you even provide documentation for your parents' citizenship if they aren't naturalized citizens? Can't rely on their birth certificates because that no longer matters and now I have to prove my grandparents were/are citizens to prove my parents are citizens and on and on. It doesn't even make sense.
They deported a white guy from Norway. They have no issues deporting anybody, trust me.
"Got a quota to meet! Who can we deport today?"
To be honest, they are likely to use this against everyone they consider an enemy. Didn't vote for Trump? Well, you're not a citizen anymore. Get in the van.
They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don't like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?
Well, stealing land and getting rid of people they don't like are among the core founding values of America so this tracks.
It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.
Fine, let's play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren't american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say "these aren't our citizens so we're shipping them back." It's cruel, which he's okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.
So what's the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say "not it" and walk away.
Slavery. They'll make them work for free, as if that's not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?
the rich: "I hate how I have most of the money instead of all of the money."
You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away
Republicans: "Hold my beer"
At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety
Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end
“You’re fired”
One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.
Would it be correct to describe this as "apartheid"?
Yes, to the out group, this will be an apartheid.
Brb, downloading Duolingo just in case.
been DUO for a few years, I can read quite, but listening to people speaking at normal speed, I'm like a toddler walking into the middle of The Dude and Walter having a deep conversation
Don’t worry guys, he’s just going after the worst of the worst. The criminals. Like the infant born in this country ILLEGALLY! They the ones responsible for all your problems.
He is now much closer to his goal
Removing the citizenship of all non white people
Really? These authors clearly need way better imagination cause it's easily gonna get worse.
Deport Barron!
Good then after that they can deport Trump and his family into a volcano.
I was going to get rage-baited into making a "point" about reasoning and how Trump wasn't a "native" American... but I'm resisting the engagement temptation. There is no "logic", it's all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.
If he so much as touches mine he will regret it for the rest of his short life
It's totally alright as long he touches others citizenship's tho... /s
Go lil plumber go!
Draino dissolves more than pipe clogs y'know
But the Epstein files bro, release the list and we defeat facism bro, trust me he is there it doens matter that every one already knows , talk about the lost please bro trust me bro it's not a complete waste of time trust me bro
Huh?
Idk this dude doesn't want to arrest a pedo cabal for some reason
Revoking citizenship of people that already have it is insane but the whole concept of birthright citizenship is also silly. Citizenship should be gained through residency, not simply being born somewhere.
It's silly unless you have the conditions of thr north American anglosphere. This is a right borne by crimes against humanity in an attempt to ensure no people born here are denied full protection of the state ever again.
Euros love to act like Americans never learned anything from our history but this is a vital part of our history and our attempt to do better
American birthright citizenship has been a necessity throughout its period of settlement (by european foreigners) because otherwise the USA wouldn't exist today. That doesn't mean that jus soli is a law of nature.
If you take a look at this map, you're gonna recognize we europeans do just fine without Rule of the Land.
Then end it going forward. Don't retroactively remove it from people who had no choice and who have never known any different.
Then end it going forward.
You mean, "then arrange for a constitutional convention at which you can propose the repeal of the 14th amendment, and then have people vote on it".
The president has no ability to end either form of birthright citizenship, it can only be done by modifying the constitution.
Jus soli isn't a law of nature, but it is a law of morality. Anything less is effectively the creation of a caste system of full citizens and second-class citizens purely depending on who one's ancestors are. This is not a hypothetical; many countries historically have been and many still are in such situations due to the lack of birthright citizenship. The fact that most of this map is red is nothing short of an affront to human morality.
We've been doing just fine WITH Rule of the Land, this is a psyop
what does "psyop" mean in that context? i'm not paid by the republicans if that's what you mean
also, yes, you've been doing just fine WITH Rule of the Land in the past, of course. Though if you believe in Economics 101, you'll understand Supply and Demand, i.e. if there's more supply of human labor (more people in the country), then the prices for human labor go down, i.e. the people get paid lower wages, and (i claim) that is the biggest contributing factor to human quality-of-life: the ratio of income to cost-of-living.
Now, if you care about the people's wellbeing, you want to keep their quality-of-life as high as possible. And that socio-economically entails maximizing the ratio of income to cost-of-living. If a lower supply of human labor, such as by a falling birthrate or reduced immigration achieves that, then i'm all for it.
Do you have any more questions?
"we europeans do just fine"
Do you?
I knew a guy who was born in a European country. He'd never lived anywhere else. But, because his parents had citizenship to a different country, he was a citizen of that country, one he had only occasionally visited. To me, that doesn't sound like a system that's working just fine. It's one that has some major problems.
There's no borders on "law of nature" neither
well, you could consider the skin a natural border
I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S.. Perhaps he'll be deported to Cuba?
Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one's citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren't citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.
If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I'd start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.
Why Antarctica? What's wrong with Sudan or El Salvador? 😜
Hmmm never thought being Native American could be so advantageous till now...
SO, If I'm descended from Native Americans AND Canadians, does that mean I'd get deported to Canada, or would being descended from Native people protect me from deportation even if that means I'm not "lily white"?
Rules for thee... not for me.
Selective enforcement. Well who knows, they'll have AI crawling the data
My first thought was Nick Fuentes.
Regarding Lil' Marco, I wish they'd deport him and his fascist bootlicking family to Cuba
Stop pretending that's how laws work, abd fucking gight.
Please.