Peak logic

Anon was refused by a muscle mommy and is now on a holy incel crusade against them.
- Or was pegged by one and liked it a bit too much
  
  Pro tip: before getting yourself pegged make sure to make it clear you want her to be gentle with you, so you don't risk having to question your sexuality.

If being attracted to buff women makes you gay, then gender is not as simple as this twitter gremlin probably believes it to be. But they probably don't want to think about that too much.
- "Not 'normal' = gay". That's all they consider.
- Is this a new metric mental gymnastics, like it's not gay if you're on top, or if you are the giver?
  
  As we (jokingly) say in German: „Nur der Gefickte ist schwul.“ ["Only the one getting fucked is gay."]
  
  new
  I mean that particular piece of homophobia has been around since antiquity
- I have a friend that says having muscles makes women too masculine. He was not amused when I asked him if that also means he is feminine because he doesn't have any muscle (I don't actually believe either is the case, just wanted to point out his hypocrisy)
- "Men cannot become women, but muscular women are men." 😅
- Yeah, I don't get what's wrong with wanting a muscular physique.

Fucking chicks is definitely gay.
- Not if you keep your socks on
  
  This is a critical loophole that few fellas use to keep themselves free of gayness.
- All the ~~homies~~ lesbians agree.
- https://youtu.be/XnqpfnXObkA?t=2m41s
  
  Thx homie, but i have not the patience to watch ads.

So by this logic, it would be straight for him to fuck femboys? Sounds gay.
- What's more manly than a cock? Two cocks, that's what!!
  
  See the only good Steve Hughes bit.
  "What do you mean gays aren't manly? They fuck men! What do you want in a partner? 'Soft... feminine~' 'Yeah well I wanna fuck a bloke. Or is that too hard for you and your pussy-loving mates?'"
  Or the short version from Layer Cake.
- Nahh. It's totally a straight thing to do :3
- Hey, if I'm straight and a femboy makes me hard then she's a girl.

fellas, is it gay for a man to find a woman hot?
- According to xitter, if the woman is very muscular, then yes.
  I don't quite understand why though.
  
  right wing politics promotes rigid gender norms
  including that only men should be muscular
  so muscular women are masculine
  and men attracted to a masculine person are gay
  nevermind that these are the same people who want to rigidly define women by their gametes, chromosomes, or other biological characteristics (not how buff they are, or how masculine they present)
  or that these are the same people who came up with the idea that everyone is straight to begin with ("gay" being a sinful behavior, nobody being born gay)
  
  xitter
  ’nuff said

Dear alpha,
I tell you what to like and how to make love. If you disobey, you're an omega and do not deserve affection.
- I'm starting to think "alpha" is some kind of closeted dude psyop
  
  Well, the original idea is based on the behavior wolves that are (strictly) kept in captivity; that porn writers yoinked into their fanfics… Raise your hands if you think thats applicable on you, I won’t be able to see it, but your surroundings should know that you are iffy!
  
  Not necessarily, a lot of straight guys have insecurities. It's not exclusive to LGBTQ+

Gotta love it when losers assume women aren’t on the internet. As a woman, OP is absolutely right - that muscle mommy can turn me gay whenever she wants.
- Sounds like you're already gay.
  
  Nah, just half gay. But who knows what the future can hold.

lesbian here, hhholy shit
- Wait if you think she's hot, does that make you gay, but that makes you straight. But if you're straight and you think she's hot then that makes you gay.
  It's confusing.
  
  Here's a trick solve your confusion: if you could choose what's in those pants, how long would it take you to make a decide: if you instantly know you want what's in your own pants youre most likely gay, if you know instantly you want exactly what's not in your own pants you're most likely straight, if you need a moment before you know you're likely not straight nor gay. All the other reasons you can think of aren't about sexuality as in what gender do you like but are about sexuality as in what kind of person you want to be with. But it might also be a little more complicated than this.
- You were the target of LeanBeefPatty's psyop, and it worked.
- Cis straight here, same
- girl you ain't kiddin' 🥵
- Yepppp

Look if that makes me gay then sure, I'll be gay

These people are so strange. We live in this big, complex world filled with variation, and they are like: "No! Everything must be only one way!"
- Appreciating the spectrum of human experience is GAY
  
  Realizing that emotions aren’t and can never be binary is HOMO STUFF
- No, they want only two! They can't handle it if everyone is the same, or if there is a rainbow of ways. To them, it must be two, no more or less! It must be binary!
  Edit: This is a very boring grey lenses to view our species. Our closest relatives is bonobos....
- The complexity is too cognitively taxing so instead of just accepting that there will be people you don't understand, they want to force everything to a strict mold they can easily comprehend, without needing to confront contradictions inherent to the human condition. Letting go of control and accepting the world is far beyond your capacity to fathom is a scary thing. But what is life but the act of letting go?

It is however a psyop to make women gay
- Is it working @captainlezbian@lemmy.world?

Bros jealous of her gains.
- I know I am.

Just want to acknowledge that she's put a heap of effort into that body and if I was lucky enough for her to want to snap me in half then old mate can call me fast if he wants.
- Leanbeefpatty is also actually natty, which I think is why I still find her hella attractive despite the fact that she could probably snap me like a twig.
  Steroids are effective, but I personally don't usually like what they create.
- Death by Snu Snu

Conservatives truly are the most removed-made motherfuckers in existence.
- For being so proud of being straight they seem very insecure about their gender and sexuality and love homoerotic media.
  
  It's almost like they're repressed

It's NOT Gay if he Wears "makeup" and "a wigs" and LOOKS like a Girl while MY Penis is INSIDE his Butthole! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!
- signed
  DONAKD J. TRUNP
  
  DO NAKED. TURNIP.

If reecethebrah sees a muscular woman, and the first thought he has is "THIS IS A PSYOP TO TURN MEN GAY," then maybe he's telling us more about how the inside of his head works than about the secret homosexual / female body building conspiracy that has been hiding in plain sight this entire time.
- I reckon the tattoo isn't helping. Clearly if you're part of a conspiracy you would have an Illuminati tattoo, it's just required.

She's Lean Beef Patty if you wanna know.

Uuuh sorry. I was distracted. What's this meme about?
- I think it's an optical illusion... if you stare at it long enough you may start to see lines of text above and below the image!

People who care about what is supposed to be 'gay' can be disregarded entirely.

I literally am incapable of forming opinions about something without consulting manosphere chuds opinion about whether or not it is gay. is that gay?
- There's no red lines. I think its OK
- According to Andrew tate you can just scoot it to the side. Don't think that's how it works tho.....

Fellas, is it gay to be attracted to women?
- Yes, very much so.
- Attraction itself is gay, you are supposed to neglect your wife and children until they poison you like God intended.
- yes

The same people insist gender is made-up, and biological sex is the only thing that counts.
Conservatives do not mean things when they say words.
- “ Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
  Jean-Paul Sartre
  
  Sartre was optimistic. He believed these people say wrong things on purpose, as a tactic. Like they're rationally advancing a goal through irrational rhetoric.
  I think they honestly believe this is how things work. The word-games are their entire worldview. Ideas aren't right or wrong, people are right or wrong, and whatever the people on your side say, you have to shuffle cards to justify it. COVID proved they would continue this behavior whilst gargling their own lungs.
  And they think it's all you're doing, because they think that's all there is.
- Don't forget, there are plenty of us in the middle. I think gender is a made up social construct, but also that anyone should be able to go through life following whatever social norms they identify with. I don't think boys are born into girl bodies or girls are born into boy bodies, but merely that some boys have more in common w/ society's expectations of girls and vice versa.
  It's a distinction w/o a difference, and I'm happy calling you whatever you'd prefer. But if you're born with male chromosomes, you'll always have male chromosomes.
  
  An opinion that sounded progressive a century ago but is now politely-stated bigotry. Actually worse than saying sexual preference isn't real, but hey, people can fuck who they choose. Talking about transition in terms of chromosomes is a dog whistle on par with rattling off birthrates.
  Dysphoria is not societal.

You want to hold hands and talk sweet nothings with women? That's gaaaaaaaaaay.
Real men fuck men.

Pattie is literally amazing. Anyone would be happy just to know her
- I feel so sorry for Patty. She has the unfortunate mix of muscle, attractiveness, nerdiness and popularity that creates a following of neckbeardy guys and parasocial girls.
  Reading some of the comments on her recent videos with the new bf makes me put down the phone, walk outside and sit in the sun.
  
  I'm sure the comments are atrocious. But I certainly dont feel bad for her. Fame is a conscious descision that one must maintain. She could simply stop posting today, and quietly delete all her social media over the next year or so, and her notariety would all but disappear. She is famous, making bank, and is a sex icon - as far as hedonistic indulgence goes, I'd say she's doing pretty alright!
  And if she has any sense at all (and I believe she does), she'll have long ago gotten off social media herself and handed everything over to a social media manager. She does a few photoshoots per year, plus a few fanservice videos when her manager tells her it would do her good, and then she goes off and goes clinkity clankity in the gym followed by playing dnd or whatever she's into, never even looking at the comments she gets.
  
  Let me bask in the glow of atom, thank you very much.
- Anyone willing to run with a punny handle like "Lean Beef Patty", with that physique, is a-okay in my book.

Dude, if the first thing you think of when you see a muscular/athletic woman is "man" then that says faaaar more about you than it does anyone else 😂

Lean Beef Patty 💪
- My queen!

The only reason you would want a woman to be weak, is if you're planning on physically overpowering her. Just saying.
Also... Nice.
- I'd like to consensually test with her which one of us is overpowering the other.
  Not gonna happen in a million years, but a man can dream.

I don't care if it's gay or straight, it's not attractive to me personally, so I just avoid it and move on. 🤷
- Pretty weird of you to not pass unsolicited judgement on the physical attractiveness of strangers. Do you ever worry that this sort of antisocial behaviour will see you ostracised from society?
  
  It's a post open for comment. In what world is that unsolicited?
  Lighten up
- The right attitude! I'll never understand why anyone is bothered by a complete strangers appearance.

It's because they associate strength and domination purely with masculinity, a real woman is petite and fragile in their eyes.
- Strength doesn't mean domination. In that case she worked hard on that body. I think a dominant character is what does it. But they can be toxic and controlling.
  
  And if you've watched any of her content, you'd know her character is probably the farthest thing from dominant.
  
  Correct, just the muscle mommy stereotype is strong and domineering.

So by that logic, twinks are not gay?
- No, they are. Everything that lies outside of my narrow-minded and ignorant view of how attraction should work is bad and you should be ashamed!
  
  They even had a picture of a video game girl with some peach fuzz hair on parts of her face and they insisted that that made her a 'man'.
  What utter shit. I take personal offense to that. I had a girlfriend with a very mild peach fuzz mustache and it is one of the many things that made her so cute.
- https://youtu.be/PbBzhqJK3bg

Lean Beef Patty can throw me around like Cammy or R. Mika.
- I used to like her but she a fraud.
  
  Oh? Like roids?
  
  I just want to say don't care. This doesn't make her a fraud. Great videos an advice and all around a super positive person. Liver king is something else. Not at all comparable.

I know the first thing I think of when I see a sexy muscular woman is that I would like to suck her dick. 🙄
- I mean, even that's not gay.
  
  Unpopular opinion: sucking dick is gay if you're a guy. Sucking man dick is gay. Sucking lady dick is gay. Sucking plastic dick is gay. Imagining sucking the platonic conception of a dick is gay.
  Saying sucking a girls dick isn't gay is like saying a tomato is a fruit. Sure, you're technically correct. But you're still wrong.
- Same

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Man here, I want her to pat me on the head and tell me it'll be okay.
If that's gay, slap my ass and call me homo, doesn't change what I know what I am.

I am gay for women.
Also I'm bi, so I don't care about gender too much.

Hmmm. Is this dude threatened by her physique?
I, personally, don't find her particularly attractive. But the muscles are damn impressive.
How the fuck would this be a psyop for homosexuality?
- you have to understand gender to be a binary to believe this, and have to believe that the gender binary requires strict adherence in order to maintain a functioning society. this is, of course, a logical fallacy. acceptance of a gender spectrum, or even a rejection of gender as a social construct entirely, is the only sensible way.

I would die for lean beef pattie

Nothing as manly as gay sex though.
- 100% manly men

I am attracted to both muscular women like that and fem/petite guys. I must be super gay.
- I personally believe that like 20% of people are pure hetero, 20% of people are pure homo, and the remaining 60% are everything in-between. You are the normal.
  
  I'm in that 60% and sometimes I wonder if it's really only 60%. 20% pure homo is definitely a stretch but 20% pure hetero as well. Also because so many people seem secretly curious but then also never end up trying some and then slowly grow back in that closet of 'I would never ...'. But then again, could also just be the bubble i live in.

Don't care(Bi). Just crush my skull already.

fun fact thats only slightly related!
women bodybuilders will often get breast implants because the chest muscles and the breast aren't in the same location and it looks kinda weird if you have massive chest muscles, the implants even it out some

Reminds me of the old "Would you rather have sex with a man with a vagina, or a beautiful woman with a penis?" Would be a heck of a threesome.

As a guy, I kinda like women with bit of muscle on the back.

I feel like as you get older, you come into contact with things that make you uncomfortable, and people sort themselves into two groups. Some people lean in to the discomfort and want to know why, and some pull back and reject anything that makes them feel weird.

I've always thought that women who look like they can kick ass are hot AF.
My awakening to that was Alias. I never actually watched the show itself, but I saw a clip from one particular episode that really got me going. At least I'm pretty sure it was Alias. But if you watched it, I'm pretty sure you know exactly the clip I'm talking about.
Now I'm not really into actually having my ass kicked, but just the look of capability. Oooo weeee.
- Same. Did these people not play Street Fighter growing up? If Cammy waking the mighty tiger behind my fly is gay then I’ll see you at Pride.
  
  Pride covers a lot more than gay anyway, so I might be at some event sometime.
- I like women who look like they can take care of themselves, I find the damsel in distress stereotype annoying.

Well fellas, looks like I'm gay 🥵
BTW if any of you look like this and are single hmu.

I have a strong feeling that the people that say that it is gay to feel attracted by a woman with "male" attributes will also say that it is gay to be attracted by a trans woman. Cognitive dissonance all around.
- Yup. Definitely no cognitive dissonance about how a skinny/emotional man is unattractive to them, but the hyper-masculine beefcake is the male worthy of praise and attraction. Nothing gay about that.
- I would say it is gay to be attracted to a trans woman. Is this really a spicy take? And for context I do not think it’s gay to be into a muscular woman…
  
  I might be able to help clear this up for you. Whether or not the take is spicy depends on how transphobic or ignorant the parties involved are, so I'll start by addressing the facts.
  If you are a woman, then it is gay to be attracted to a trans woman.
  If you are a man, then it is not gay to be attracted to a trans woman.
  Regardless of whether you or anyone else is a man, woman, gay, or otherwise, and of whatever physical bits are involved, you are not obligated to be attracted to anyone in particular.
  If you are a straight man, and you do not visually perceive the trans woman as appearing consistent with your idea of what a woman should look like, then you are unlikely to be attracted to her.
  If you are a straight man who is attracted to a trans woman and feel uncomfortable with or threatened by it, then you are transphobic. This doesn't necessarily mean you hate trans people, it can just mean that you fear being associated with them or having to think about them.
  On spiciness:
  If you are addressing people who are ignorant of all this, they will not know enough to consider your take spicy.
  Your statement is too vague to determine whether your intent is transphobic or not. If the context of your take is that you do not consider trans women to be women, then your take will be spicy to people who are not transphobic, but it will not be spicy to people who are transphobic (or ignorant, as mentioned previously).
  
  I don't know about it being spicy, but I disagree. People are not their genitals.
  To clarify further, do you think being attracted to trans men (assuming you're a guy) is gay?
  The mental exercise here seems to either go one of two ways for me. Either you just consider gender, or you have a relationship orientation that's separate from physical orientation.
  I honestly don't know where I fall on this particular topic. I've known very few trans people at all (at least in person- obviously I've seen tons of them in different movies and shows and YouTube channels), so I haven't really had a chance to figure out how I feel about them for the sake of relationships.
  I think either would understand me in different ways (since they either are or were treated as guys).
  But if I had to guess, I think I would still prefer trans women to trans men as far as being in a relationship with one.
  The one thing I do know is that if I ever did fuck a dude, it would be a trans dude.
  But really I'm more concerned with how I feel about the person than I am about their junk. There so much more to a relationship than how fucking works and I'd much rather just be totally in love with the person vs in love with their crotch.
  
  Trans women are women. A man being attracted to a woman is...not gay. They only thing that's gay is being attracted to men.
  Not muscular women, not short-haired women, not trans women. Men. M.E.N.
  
  I don't think it's gay or straight. Some bi people are exclusively interested in cis partner. Some bi people are pan. Some trans people are exclusively interested in other trans people. Someone maybe desires cis people and trans men. I think it's a failure of vocabulary, combined with a great deal of emotional charge and taboo.
  Now consider my partner, who is non-binary. Traditional labels of sexuality risks misgendering when applied to non-binary people. I find the terms "androphile" and "gynophile" to be pretty useful, since they don't encode the gender of the person having the attraction, but even those are pretty limited.
  However, there are fundamentally two kinds of sexuality: queer and repressed.

Guess I'm gay 🤷

Ive heard its only gay if the balls touch. Fine by me. Every man can benefit from a good muscle mommy
- I've heard it's not gay in a three way either.
- I thought it was dick.