Conservatives Speak Out In Support Of Convoy Organizers

If they think that will make more people support the conservatives they are very wrong, if anything it will do the opposite.
- Unfortunately, I've run into a lot of very average people who think the convoy was what "ended covid lockdowns". They know it messed up Ottawa for a while, and feel bad about that, but are "happy with the end result." The vast majority havn't ever listened to those racist rants by the organizers, read their manifesto stuff, or read the journalism investigating their funding sources. Mainstream media never covered any of that in detail -probably because of how distasteful it was. They remember messy street protests, annoyed residents, and lockdowns ending. That's it.
  
  I understand why those people were unhappy about all the covid restrictions but yeah I know that the organizers were racist and that makes the whole thing questionable at best.

At least they are saying it openly now.

These comments have an interesting pattern. It's a dead give away on who funded the convoy.

On the whole the convoy was fucking embarrassingly bad, but then again so was the whole idea of "vaccine passports." It was good to see people protesting it, horrifying to see how obnoxiously "conservative" most of them were. Shouts of "freedumb" everywhere, protesters thinking they were being rebellious when the cops were pretty much on their side, nobody around with the guts to call in the RCMP (there was a process for it. They could have done it) and get rid of the fucking trucks, bullshit half-baked misinterpreted pseudoscience on the TV, vilification of the idea of any dissent, carefully stage-managed presentation of the output of bureaucratic panic and confusion from the institutions of government, each side of the often stupid controversies absolutely refusing to listen to the other. Destroyed my faith in democracy, basically.
- The wholesale adoption of pandemic rules was really wearing thin by the time the convoy took place. When Trudeau gave the interview where he called them racist and other things it really felt tone deaf to me. I know I'm not alone in neither welcoming them nor pretending I didn't understand their frustration. I was not a fan of their tactics but I mean only in Ottawa could a protest pit truckers loudly partying on Parliament Hill against residents who were mostly complaining about the noise.
  
  They had nazi flags. Use your brain.

Not sure where I stand on the vaccine thing.
I fully support science and think vaccines should be mandatory, especially during a global pandemic that we haven't seen in a hundred years. Or, for example, measle vaccines before exposing yourself to others during a measles outbreak.
I'm also for body autonomy with abortion and what medical care and what vaccines you receive.
It cuts both ways.
In the end I think the failing here is education. Not enforcement. IMO most reasonable people would take the vaccine. The only reason reasonable people don't is because they do not trust government or science, due to lack of education or understanding.
- You know what the word “mandatory” means, right? In this one comment you say you’re for mandatory vaccines in exactly the scenario that the convoy morons were whining about but also go off about bodily autonomy. Yes, education is important but also we have regulations and laws because unfortunately we don’t live in a fairy land where everyone behaves themselves and considers the well-being of their fellow person.
  It doesn’t cut both ways equally, not by a long shot.
  
  I somewhat agree. But how do you make laws for forcing people to get vaccines, yet let them choose to have abortions, or refuse medical care, or eat garbage food, drink alcohol etc, for example?
  Like, how would you define that on a societal level, and also have exceptions for situations the law doesnt account for?
  These things dont exactly equate, but I can see why being forced by the government to get a vaccines irks some people. I think it all stems from them thinking that vaccines harm you, or cause autism or whatever. That and that we haven't had a truly deadly pandemic or disease going around in living memory (thanks again to science and our predecessors getting vaccinated) that would cause people to prefer the vaccine over say polio. People are losing fath in institutions and we are not educating our children with critical thinking enough.
- You really just needed to think an extra 10 minutes before writing this down.
  It doesn't "cut both ways" those are two separate issues: personal health and public health.
  If you think seat belts, fluoride in water, warning labels on poison bottles, bittrex in antifreeze are being foisted upon your personal choices, then you need to reconsider that there are other people than you in the world.
  It's not that complicated: get vaccinated so you and others are less likely to die when disease rolls around.

You'll never convince some people that the government should have the power to force vaccines on people and they believe people should always retain bodily autonomy. So agree to disagree.
- Nobody had vaccines forced on them. Not one person in Canada.
  
  No, telling someone they will lose their job if they dont get vaccinated is not 'forcing'. Its more like 'gentle persuasion' right?
  Of course people were forced. There are quite a few cases in Canada where people were laid off or fined who subsequently got their jobs back after the lunacy was over and they won their case in court. The Democracy Fund has been fighting these cases all over Canada.
  One example: https://www.ccpartners.ca/blog/details/the-employers-edge/2023/03/23/arbitrator-reinstates-employee-dismissed-for-just-cause-for-not-providing-proof-of-vaccination
  Another: https://www.ctvnews.ca/calgary/article/former-westjet-employee-awarded-65k-for-wrongful-dismissal-over-covid-19-vaccination/
  And $300,000 in fines for Amish people and liens on their property is not "forced"??: https://www.thedemocracyfund.ca/amish_community_overcomes_financial_barriers
- I mean yeah some people who refused to get the vaccine could lose their job and all. That was pretty bad in some sense but you have to understand that when there is a pandemic it's important that if a vaccine is out and ready to take it not only for your safety, actually you could be just fine without it yourself, but for the safety of others around you too and those who are weaker. If not taking a vaccine will endanger others around you then you should either take the vaccine or not go to public places where there are many people who could be at risk of dying from the virus. What I was really against is the whole passport thing and how they tried to get you to use some app and tracking you through that which was a privacy concern for me.
- That's why I'm not interested in convincing them. I'm just interested in forcing them to take their fucking medicine.