Whole new meaning to 'Militant Vegan'
Whole new meaning to 'Militant Vegan'
Whole new meaning to 'Militant Vegan'
Trophic levels being a thing mean that raising cattle, which get eaten by wolves, and you eating wolf meat causes you to kill 100 times the biomass of vegetables of what you eat in wolf biomass–which would be much more focused on killing plants.
on every step you lose about 90%. That's the reason why being vegetarian by default uses less land for agriculture than eating meat.
on every step you lose about 90%
this varies greatly. beef cattle is closer to 99% when you look at Calories.
source ("More Comprehensive FCRs" section)
Thanks for the info, i just repeated the number i learnt back in the introductory courses at university for trophic levels.
I knew a guy in college who wouldn't eat fish because he thought they were a stupid animal and it was beneath him to consume them.
This is why I only cannibalize noble laureates in physics.
I knew a super clever guy (PhD in Physics) who wouldn't eat strawberries or tomatoes because he worried about their seeds growing inside him.
Well he definitely didn't have a PhD in Biology, that's for sure.
Then he should have tried a pesca pescatarian diet.
...aggressive veganism?...
*vegetarianism
Couldn't this character be considerably more effective at hating plants by say, breeding swarms of locusts?
... Would they consider eating locusts... to be eating meat?
No, hey, actually serious:
Vegans, does a locust, a cricket, an ant... does eating a bug count as eating a sentient, emotionally feeling, living being?
So, yes, bugs count as meat and eating them outright is avoided by most vegans, but it's impossible to not eat remnants of dead bugs in produce. The agricultural process inherently involves the death of bugs, and that's literally unavoidable.
Some vegans try to avoid the kinds of figs that require wasps to die, but most of the figs in grocery stores are artificially pollinated and don't have wasps in them.
Personally, I'm not going out of my way to avoid produce that has marginally higher bug death. Being vegan is already a pain in the ass without putting further restrictions on "is eating X plant really vegan because it requires Y?" It's still a way better environmental impact than meat, and I hate the purity tests a lot of online vegan spaces turn into. Most other vegans I've met IRL are chill and we can have reasonable discussions around that sort of thing without people getting into a fit over it.
I appreciate the answer, I expanded on my own... non vegan status and thoughts about this a bit more under another replier.
Could I ask you?:
How common is it among the vegans you know to apply the kind of, do as little ecological harm as possible mindset...
How many of them apply that to... other kinds of economic activity?
Like, how many vegans do you know who say, own and drive a car, that may be powered by oil from say, a fracking field?
I'd imagine most who are serious enough to be as ethically vegan as possible are also very much anti-capitalist as possible...
But at the same time, I've personally known a good deal of self described vegans who... regularly drive their own car to work, despite living near a transit line that would totally get them to work... and also, their work is for the corporate office of a highly exploitative (in many ways, of many things) corporation... like Amazon, or MSFT... and then get very aggreived when I just... work remotely, and tell them they should probably take the lightrail/bus.
(I'm from Seattle if you can't tell lol)
Yes, it counts to the point there are vegans not eating figs because of the insect pollinator dies inside the fruit. I eat figs because that's just the natural life cycle for that species.
From time to time I see a debate about animals like clams, which have no central nervous system and therefore lack the capability to suffer. Usually the approach to this is "if it tries to hide/run from me, I won't eat it" and a little less "I won't eat them because of the ecological impact".
I appreciate the answer!
I myself am not a vegan at all, in practice, though I am familiar with ... many of the frames that you can look at meat consumption through, and, correctly, imo, conclude that it is a wasteful, destructive, and morally dubious practice... and I do try to minimize my meat intake, but its fairly difficult when I am disabled, don't have a car, can't do significant meal prep due to injuries, live off of disability pay alone, can barely afford to get groceries delivered to me, because no local food banks or charities that I qualify for do actual home delivery.
I've been moving toward a lot more shelf stable, basic type stuff lately, rice and beans... but also crockpot soups with meat, spam is fairly simple to cook..., so, yeah, I am not a vegan.
But uh, the 'if it tries to run away' metric seems to be roughly where I would land on this as well... I guess I would just the line a bit higher than ... a clam... I personally would think that... basically most insects (ararchnids are another story)... from what I understand of their neurology... they do not really seem to be capable of suffering...
https://www.sciencealert.com/insects-probably-do-feel-pain-similar-to-how-we-do-scientists-argue
Well fuck, I am generally apparently wrong about that.
Thank you, and again the other replier, for spurring me to give this subject more consideration.
Depends on the vegan. Some stay away from avocados and such because their cultivation requires mass transport of pollinators, so insects definitely can fall into the off limits category for some.
It does also need to be said, though, that lots of vegans arrive at that same conclusion of just not eating animals and animal products, because we cannot be fucked to figure out to what degree an ant is sentient and how it's treated and whether we're okay with that. In particular, I have no interest in eating ants in the first place.
Thank you, I appreciate the answer!
Vegetarianism and veganism are not the same :/
Vegetarianism is a plant(and fungus)-based diet. This may be motivated by veganism/ethics, climate/environmental concerns, religion, and/or health.
Lacto-ovo-vegetarianism is when you call yourself vegetarian but eat mostly cheese. This may be motivated by wanting to feel like a good person or imagine that you are eating a healthy, environmentally-friendly diet.
My father is like that with pork, especially as he was kicked into a pile of pig shit by them during a pig slaughter.