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  • I'm wired wrong for most social interactions. It's a serious problem, and my attempts to overcome it generally make it much worse. But "accepting myself" means accepting unemployment, and then how can I pay rent? (Currently unemployed and living with family).

    However, I don't think people's social behavior is all BS. I try not to be resentful. I know there's lots of BS, but I also know that's what becomes most obvious to me, so it's partly a matter of perception.

    • Mind elaborating on how you're wired wrong? Genuinely curious to see which, if any, traits we share.

      • Sure. There are layers to it. If I socially interact for a few hours then I'll become exhausted, probably cranky. A psychiatrist said I have ADHD, and the sensory input of multiple persons being around is too much. Social environments tend to be overwhelming. A psychologist said I have avoidant personality disorder, but I'm not sure I agree since my problem isn't based on fear, the fear is downstream to basic social inabilities. But the fear does cause its own problems.

        I also have a social phobia. I don't think it's genetic, since I didn't have it as a kid. But my teenage years (11-18) were severely isolated, and full of humiliation and severe loneliness. I just never recovered from that. I spent my 20s trying to learn, forcing myself into all these social environments, but it was mostly just a torturous cycle of collapse.

        I over-rely on my sense of humor, and this often causes problems. Most of the time it works really well (people like to laugh, and they appreciate a good joke), so I can make a very good first impression. But when it comes to "actual" social interaction, I simply have no idea what to say, like ever. I can negotiate well on other people's behalf, and I'm good at explaining things, but in open-ended social situations I tend to be weirdly quiet or else I say horribly wrong things without realizing it. I've experienced multiple instances of people doing prolonged campaigns of social warfare against me because I accidentally insulted them, and they recognize my vulnerabilities. I'm terrible at reading non-verbal communication (this isn't just a product of social anxiety or phobia... my brain just doesn't pick up on these things, doesn't know what to do with them). So basically I'm not a social creature. Some people actually have thought that I was mentally handicapped (or experiencing cognitive decline, or that I'm "on drugs") because I just don't respond like an intelligent person. But then I'll go to "therapy" (what a disgusting joke) and they'll see how well I can explain myself, and they'll declare me to be fine. Clearly no problems with "communication" (but socializing isn't just explaining things to a person).

        I could go on and on, but that paints a picture.

  • See how many people here share your troubles? There's no shortage of people like you. The thing is, like you say, you have to stop putting up with people's bullshit. When you notice bullshit, confront them with it, and if there's no way of reconciliation, move on immediately, don't try to "put up" with anything. From what you said it seems like you hold on to toxic people too long.

    Also, have you ever thought about that you might also have "BS" that other people would have to deal with when they want to create a deep connection with you? Do you think that's absolutely impossible?

    • I've already accepted my closest friends are still going to have a lot of distance, that's apparently just the level I can get to comfortably.

      My wife on the other hand constantly seeks out friendships regardless of how ridiculously toxic they are (I shouldn't detail but seriously extreme toxicity), she thinks if she doesn't put up with it, then she won't have any friends.

    • I know I'm not the only one with this issue and it could probably become more common with the direction society has chosen to head in. Ya unfortunately I was born to some less than ideal parents so I was forced into a caregiver role as a child. That made me into someone who would, to a fault, always believe people can change for the better if I give them the chance. Which of course is not true for a lot of people and a painful lesson to learn.

      Nah, actually I'm perfect and everyone around me is just stupid. Kidding of course. I know I have my quirks and I've also learned to cater to other's preferences as a child. Not so much anymore, someone mentioned in here something about not setting yourself on fire to keep others warm. I wish someone told me that was an option decades ago.

      • What I mean with "you're not the only one" is that you'll be (probably easily) able to find people that are good for you. Didn't mean to put light on the fact it's a societal issue; might be, might not be, but it's irrelevant. Just meant to say that enough good people are out there.

        If you're like what you say you are, "staying with people in the hopes they might change for the better", what I've noticed in my time on Earth is that "people like you" actually do find these problematic people specifically and spend their time with them. You want to improve the world and that means the people within them, and so you think your time is well spent like this.

        However, this is unfortunately almost totally wrong. Instead of achieving your goal, the problematic people just mostly stay like they are, and because of that all that happens is that you become miserable because you don't see any improvement, and don't have any meaningful relationships.

        If I may suggest an alternative, what I've found is that you actually have to find people that are already mostly good and have a proven track record of improving themselves. These are mostly good people. They have no big problems and no toxic behaviors. I assume you are such a person. So in other words, you have to find someone like you. If you do that, you can both improve together and help each other, instead of this one-sided thing you probably mostly had going on.

        And yeah, like you said, "not setting yourself on fire to keep others warm", this means you have to stop spending time with the people that just drain you, even though it may sometimes be painful.

        Anyway, hope you have a wonderful time, because this is actually all really fun once you prioritize your own happiness while dealing with others :D

  • yes, but i am also becoming more tolerant of personal quirks as i’ve learned of my autism and how it impacts my socializing. i worry nobody likes me and tend to avoid conversation. i want friends. i have some, but more would be nice. something genuine and deep but equally as stupid and silly and shallow.

  • Nah, I'm just shy. Especially with women. I don't feel I have much to offer anyone.

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