Jon Stewart Tears Apart Dems’ ‘Idiotic’ Project 2029 Plan

People always say the Democrats are out of touch. While that is certainly true, that's not the real issue here. The Democrats know perfectly well what they would have to do to defeat Trump. It's blindingly obvious, after all. The point is they don't want to do any of those things.
- It's partly that, but it's also that doing what Democrats want never seems to get the turnout that it should.
  Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go "Well yea! About time!"
  He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go "I guess, it's a bit better than Republicans!"
  Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with "well actually...!" people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
  And even if he solved every problem ever, they'd say, "Well yea, he should fix them... He caused most of them!"
  Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture. For as stupid as they are, they understand you have to be IN POWER to do anything.
  Twirling your thumb in your asshole pining about raising taxes and fist past the post and equality for all and protecting minorities is a colossal waste of time if you don't VOTE.
  
  Eh. I get what you’re saying, but so much of the disillusionment from the potential dem base is coming from their constant promises and constantly arriving at the obvious conclusion decades late and then acting like they’re the most progressive politician in human history. While in reality it’s a half step toward the policies we should’ve enacted forty years ago.
  It’s not that people are like “so what.” It’s the deep seeded knowledge in all of us that the party will try to throw us crumbs and claim like they’ve always been on our side and are the most righteous policy makers that are saving us, when in reality they’re walking hand in hand with people that are pushing us to absolute limit of barely acceptable and then dangling what they’ve known they should’ve done forever ago in front of us when we’re finally at our breaking point.
  They don’t care about us. They’re not beholden to us, and it shows. They’re beholden to money and are performatively throwing us scraps when they have an opponent so far right that it’s literally the threat of fascism. And they are very much responsible for the continued rightward march of the entire country.
  
  Biden did student loan forgiveness, which should have given him all the college votes, yet people shurg and go “Well yea! About time!”
  He dithered and only reluctantly did this. And then when he did, he did it in a way that a corrupt SCOTUS could overrule. There were other paths he could have taken, but he chose the least-confrontational approach and ultimately the court negated most of his efforts. His fault or not, very few people actually ended up getting their loans forgiven. If he failed to consider a hostile SCOTUS in his plans, then that is a strategic failure on his part.
  He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go “I guess, it’s a bit better than Republicans!”
  His infrastructure bills are currently being torn to pieces as they were slow to actually spend their money. They were mired in everything bagel liberalism. A thousand requirements for dollar spent meant to solve every social ill under the Sun. But regardless, these bills didn't directly help individuals. They may be necessary to curb the rise of China, but that's not something that affects people's lives directly. Unionization? Biden was unable to stem the decline in union numbers, and he himself chose to be a strikebreaker.
  
  The other thing I've noticed with Democrats (actually pretty much any group left of the Republicans) is that they'll splinter off into a dozen different groups at the drop of a hat and all infight with each other harder than they'll fight their actual opponents.
  The hard right is so effective IMO because they'll glom together with people they don't 100% agree with to push things in the general direction they want before they start arguing about the details.
  
  I think a big issue is people expect democrats to enact the thing's they promise to enact and then they don't. And there's insane coping and denial used to justify it instead of allowing real critique.
  Biden did student loan forgiveness,
  Biden tried, no loans were forgiven, some loans were forced to be more ethical, but nobody was freed from the debt.
  So that isn't seen as a win by a lot of people who wanted loan forgiveness and got a half assed attempt that didn't help.
  Hell, he said he would forgive all student loans and make college free. Lol
  He puts money into infrastructures and unions and again, people go "I guess, it's a bit better than Republicans!"
  Again, this isn't really as true as I wish it was.
  They put money into green energy corporations that hoard it offshore like other corps.
  And Biden literally fought against unions while in office.
  Democratic voters suck ass at rallying behind any cause, because the base is filled with "well actually...!" people, that demand 100% problem completion on day one, otherwise they are not impressed.
  I try really really hard to not be contrarian about this shit, but Democrats aren't making partial progress on anything, they are failing to make positive meaningful change for working class people at the expense of the rich, which is a requirement for fixing wealth inequality, which is the source of the vast majority of economic and societal issues. Until Democrats are willing to force their rich owners to make concessions they will not be capable of supporting these kinds of policies.
  Also blaming voters for the outcome of an election is not valid, it's up to politicians to provide something worth voting for and being capable of communicating those policies to their target voters.
  Meanwhile, Republican voters will literarily vote for a rapist because they see the bigger picture.
  Republicans vote for strongmen because their religious upbringing makes them subservient to anyone who can imitate the way their pastor made them feel.
- The Democrats know perfectly well what they would have to do to defeat Trump. It’s blindingly obvious, after all.
  Is it? From a party whose voters want to go rightwards, now, wherein independents are already more right-leaning than that, and the only other major political coalition being even further right than that?
  "Just go left, we'll totally win 😊" is the same line that got people fired up for Corbyn, who proceeded to make no headway in a country already much less right-wing than the US.
  Going left being better for the country does not equate to it being the path to electoral victory.
  
  "Want to go rightwards" - are you fucking high?
  People want common sense approaches to social problems. The party stabbed Bernie Sanders twice in a row after shitting themselves because he was going to win the Democratic primary.
  More people I know who voted for Trump like and respect Sanders more than any other Dem candidate in the last decade because he's authentic and true to himself and his beliefs. They don't think his proposed solutions are going to work, but they're willing to have a conversation and meet in the middle. The all or nothing ideologues running the Dems right now have no fucking idea what they're doing, they're trashing the joint - whether by malice or idiocy is moot at this point. Get these people OUT
  
  Corbyn made no headway?
  Yeah you can say that to suit your narrative, but it’s complete BS. In fact Corbyn had significantly more votes in 2017 and 2019 than Starmer in 2024.
  The left has to convince voters, not follow them, wtf
  
  -Put conditions on any aid going to Israel.
  -Arrest trump and his sycophants in Congress for their litany of heinous crimes against the American people.
  -Force Biden not to run in 2024, have an actual primary and don't put their thumb on the scale to nominate a corporate-owned bipartisan centrist.
  I'm pretty pro-democrat, but they could have done all that shit in a day and locked in the next 8 years of federal elections.

I wish Stewart would run for office.
- I understand the urge but please stop electing people from TV.
  
  Nah, they're the only ones we have any idea about. Not to mention zelensky has been killing it.
  
  In most cases I agree. Stewart is not a political neophyte though. I mean it's not like he runs a reality show
  His humour requires wit, understanding and nuance. His product is much more intelligent and complex than say, a competition show where people compete for a " job" with some thinly veiled gangster.
  So basically he's waaaaaaay over qualified to be president.
  
  I kinda like repeated reaffirmation of a candidate's values, especially if it is very public and consistent.
  
  Ukraine seems to have ended up with a good leader doing that. 😉
  
  I was joking with my SO the other day about RuPaul running for president and we realised that since she's a reality TV host but also has a successful business that hasn't gone bankrupt and isn't obviously a Russian puppet, she's actually probably more qualified than the current sitting president for the job.
  
  For every Trump, there’s a Zelenskyy.
  
  thats how the US got in this predicament in the first place. elect a cunt who had a single line in home alone. I mean, Schwarzenegger was gov of Cali at some point and any german speaking mf could tell you that Arnold, while beloved and a huge teddy bear, was never the sharpest bulb in the shed.
- I think if Stewart won the white house and made Colbert his press secretary, and he played the character from the Colbert report and just framed everything Stewart did as the most hardcore American Conservative stance and talked about how Republicans need to get on Stewart's level, they could actually shift the Overton window.
- John Oliver over Stewart any day.
  
  Oliver is not qualified.
  Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for holding the presidency. To serve as president, one must:
  be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
  be at least 35 years old;
  be a resident in the United States for at least 14 years.
- Uhm no. He really fell from funny to bland in less than half a year for me.
  The guy struggled with the definition of fascism like 3 months ago.
  He and Colbert are white guy good guy optics dudes from television, I swear they are only 3 steps away from half of Trump’s cabinet if you put them near power.
  Being a bit funny, or having done the “save the 9/11 firefighters” skit doesn’t qualify you to lead a nation. Fck the TV personality cult.
- Stewart is a milquetoast both-sides-er. He can criticize and he's good at it, but he stands for very little and instantly retreats behind his "I'm just a comedian" shield when pressed to take a stance.
  
  Stands for little….really? Ask 911 first responders
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_uYpDC3SRpM
  
  You're confusing him. It's not a big deal, he's some guy and we're just two people on the Internet, but he's a left populist, not a "both-sides-er." He's fed up with institutional politics becoming ineffective, not with people being too "left."
  I've been watching him since the beginning too, I wouldn't say that 10 years ago, but this is where he's at right now.

I am listening to this episode right now. He's spot on. These idiot libs seem to want another loss.

Jon Stewart is not impressed with the Democratic Party’s plan to craft a Project 2029, which he said will just be a “a rehash of all the consultant driven, careful nonsense” that caused them to lose the presidency to Donald Trump.
It's not the party doing this...
It's the neoliberals that were run out of the DNC creating their own club and hoping progressives fall for the bait and fight to be included in a place they have no power and will be ignored.
Don't take the bait. Let them hold their own meaningless meetings about what the least they can do would be.
Stewart was pretty specific about who/what he was complaining about, but articles are missing the details and all of them seem desperate to turn people off from the new and I proved DNC now that neoliberals don't control it.
- This is the first I've heard of the neoliberals being driven out of the DNC and frankly I find it a bit hard to believe. Outside of the win in NY I haven't heard of any other significant shakeups in the party, and frankly the number of politicians in the DNC you'd need to oust to dislodge the neoliberals makes me think I'd have heard something.
  
  The DNC is definitively a neoliberal party. Obama was one of the most neoliberal presidents we have ever had, as far as social attitudes go. He massively carried water for the whole “if I made it, anyone can” and “black people suffer from a culture of poverty” type of nonsense, both of which serve an agenda that is against providing social safety nets and actually helping people improve their lives. Neoliberalism is all about blaming individuals for the failures of government as a means to avoid bolstering social services
  “Neoliberals have been run out of the DNC” is absolutely nonsense. Neoliberals running the DNC is 99.9% of the problem with the DNC today. Its the reason why true progressive politics fail so often
  
  You...
  You think the result of the NYC mayor's Dem.orimaty is a shakeup in the DNC?
  The reason so many people aren't aware the DNC got better, is apparently they have no idea what the DNC is...
  and frankly the number of politicians in the DNC you’d need to oust to dislodge the neoliberals
  Like, you just fundamentally do t know how this works...
  You're conflating any elected politician at even city level, with the voting members of the DNC...
  And like. You know the chair election was 5 months ago? Right?
  You're acting like it's a hypothetical that something that has already happened might happen?
  How the fuck did 21 people read you comment and no one tried to help you understand?
- From the perspective of current power the Neoliberals are the DNC.
  It is only some grassroots movements in the party that try to change that.They are just at the start and the DNC is fiercly fighting them.
- It's the neoliberals that were run out of the DNC
  Which Neolibs, specifically?
- The only way you make sense is if you think Mamdani is the future of the DNC.

They’re not idiotic, they have to pretend to do something opposing the Republicans while they help them transfer all the wealth to the rich and start imperial wars around the world, otherwise normal people might catch on and do something about it.
- This is it exactly. The Democrats are not on your side. They're neoliberals. They believe in the freedom of money. They are a party for rich people. This isn't a battle between left and right. It's a battle between rich and poor.
  
  Do you think people vote for the perfect party? No. Never have. You vote for the least worse. And understand that you chose from the bad options they gave you so the most good was possible.
  All this bleating about how evil the Dems apparently are when they've been hamstrung so long, I just don't care. It's a two party system and they're the least worse.
  If a third party shows up, it has a chance of being good. But we all understand that under FPTP a third lefty party will only split the dem vote and hand a win to the GoP even when it's fair.

- That gives "dad are you coming to pick me up from baseball practice" vibes.
  
  That's precisely what Jon said, too :)
- This guy got $866,425 from AIPAC in the previous 2 years.

Is it time yet to consider a 3rd party?
- Always has been
  
  Always will be.
- Why not? Every Sociopathic Oligarch is starting their own. I'm sure they'd love to ~~enslave~~ have you.
- #GuillotineParty is going to do the same thing to the Democrats that the Tea Party did to the Republicans.
  
  Unite them under a common front, get absorbed and move the Overton window in the other direction?

“Their project 2029 is going to be a rehash of all the consultant-driven, careful nonsense that has put them in this place… in a moment when the Republican Congress is passing one of the most devastating bills that we have seen in this country in forever,” he said.
Was project 2025 consultant-driven?

Right wing fascists are ruining the country and everyone on the left is punching left 🤦‍♂️