Lemmy since the reddit collapse

Posting about Trump or Putin being bad would be akin to making posts about ISIS being bad: it goes without saying.

Like 99% of people on this platform already agrees with you, it's really not a contentious issue. There's no significant MAGA or Russian nationalist instance federated. None of their supporters would see it, it would be a completely moot point.

You forgot the genocide denial as well. I don't understand why they worship Russia like the ussr is still around.

Who are these "leftists"that criticize Biden but not Trump

Literally posted 3 articles yesterday criticising trump but go off.

Trump isn't in power, no one is defending Putin, the US set the stage for the invasion and knew exactly how it would play out. Trying to claim they are defending their right to sovereignty, which is bullshit.

Your post is literally “DuMb LIbrhULS” with bonus noise. Self-projecting much?

I swear to god I'll buy sync premium if they give the ability to sort by controversial. This is the stupidest more redditesque thread I've run into and i don't want to miss anymore.

I'll take that over believing pig shit memes are reasonable discourse any day.

Right? You wouldn't recognize the place if the last time you were there was in 2016

I mean Reddit's director of policy, Jessica Ashooh, is former Deputy Director of the Atlantic Council’s Middle East Strategy Task Force — she's literally a state department plant.

Sounds like something a CIA bot would say

Bruh Idk how you got convinced there are so many bots around. Like, sure, if you write off everything that differs from the nato line of thought as bots, then sure, believe what you want. But ti me that's just absurd. I assume that people I interact with are actual humans, even if their opinions suck ass. But to be so far up your own ass, as to not even acknowledge that people can think other things than you without them being some evil, heinous bot is just fuckin stupid

If you really think that bots are this effective, then why don't liberals create their own bots?

If you think they don't work then what is your problem with them?

kremlin vocaloid reporting in ::: spoiler spoiler

its really wild that the russians are programming transgender communist robots, maybe they need some critical support now, maybe theyll make real catgirls next

When it comes to media attraction, what they call themselves (labels) don't really matter that much. It's the praise of strong men, authority, that crosses all mythological media systems. Be it bowing down to a burning bush story, Fox News, or Kremlin.

Everyone who disagrees with me is a bot. They are a bot because they disagree with me. I am very enlightened and rational.

Yes, I am the butterfly

properly

Just vote for the lesser of two fascisms

The Democratic party is already a sympathizer of fascism.

For the majority of the world, the usa is alrwas inflicting fascism on them all the fucking time. Hell even people inside the usa live under a fascist state, especially minorities/poc

Tankies want there country's to fall to fascism though they claim to be on the left but fallow a right wing extremist in putin and spout rightwing talking points

bOtH sIdEs

This is why libs get clowned on so hard. You claim to support "the only viable left leaning political party", and yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values. Remember, segregation wasn't ended because black people voted, blood was spilt in the streets. Same with the LGBT community, see the stonewall uprising, aka, the first pride parade.

I don't care how you vote, but if you can't see the difference between an anarchist engaging in direct action against an oppressive state and fascists doing hate crimes; well, I'd say it's time to get off your high horse and do a little introspection.

the only viable left leaning political party in the US

I vote for Democrats because shit, why not? But what is the worth of a party that:

• Does not function as a party (single defectors routinely kill major legislation without consequence)
• Is incapable of countering the rising tide of fascism, or unwilling to do so
• Has no plan to address the Supreme Court, which will continue to kill anything legitimately good if left unchecked
• Is too beholden to capital to push even the most tepid climate change legislation (the Green New Deal)
• Constantly attacks its left flank, preferring to chase the votes of suburban reactionaries
• Isn't even reliably pro-labor
• Tailed popular movements on all sorts of civil rights issues
• Still can't be bothered to even de-schedule marijuana, the most slam-dunk popular policy one could imagine + a huge driver of mass incarceration
• Is on basically the same page as Republicans with respect to foreign policy
• Generally offers nothing besides "at least we're not as bad as Republicans, most of the time"

Where is that party going? It's never going to meaningfully address climate change, it offers only crumbs to the working class, and any social change has to be led from the outside.

Left unity is everyone dunking on this trash take.

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There is no "viable left leaning political party in the US" lmao. You are a far right country. Both parties are far right. If you were over here in the UK you would all be tories and even then I'm not sure if that's far enough right for the average democrat.

Commies and fascists are the same thing because they do the violence. The reasons they do the violence is not relevant.

I, a good democrat, don't do the violence. Those bodies that keep piling up in other (dirty, evil) countries during Democrat run governments are coincidental. All the funding I give to police departments totally aren't related to the police blasting people in the streets daily. I know this because my ideology is totally not conservative.

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

I might be misunderstanding you, so I apologize if that is the case, but if you are referring to the Democrats they are far from left leaning. They aren't even center leaning.

You can't even say they have a better track record than the Republicans. They bomb countries as much (or in recent years even more) than the Republicans. They advocate for wars. They fund ICE even more than the Republicans. They stand up just as much for reproductive rights (read: not at all). They just do all of it while waving a rainbow flag.

I really hope you meant the Greens or the CPUSA; which have their own issues but are certainly more left than either the Democrats or Republicans.

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

If you mean the Democrats (which you must to say ""viable"") you are too lost in the sauce.

"Come on guys, we should back the Strassers. They aren't perfect but come on!"

I really want to know what you said before the communist told you that you deserved the wall

Absolute potato brained worldview

The US has two right wing parties. Never mind nationally, I've had Democrat electeds oversee cops "sweeping" encampments just as brutally as any Republican would, what exactly is supposed to be the harm getting reduced here?

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There's a viable left leaning political party in the US? What is it?

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Left leaning? According to who or what? If you said socially progressive there might be a point here, but the democratic party is no where near left wing. And the social progressiveness only serves to take advantage of those being oppressed in order to win votes. It's hollow, and when people start losing rights (like women and abortion) the Democrats will make 500 excuses about why they can't do anything, instead of actually doing something. The democratic party serves as a ratchet to kill and absorb left wing movements and keep the acceptable discourse within the sphere of economic liberalism.

I'm begging Americans to read literally anything about their political system from a non American, non Eurocentrist perspective. Begging. I'll start by linking some here.

The specific combination of factors in the historical formation of U.S. society—dominant “biblical” religious ideology and absence of a workers’ party—has resulted in government by a de facto single party, the party of capital. The two segments that make up this single party share the same fundamental liberalism. Both focus their attention solely on the minority who “participate” in the truncated and powerless democratic life on offer. Each has its supporters in the middle classes, since the working classes seldom vote, and has adapted its language to them. Each encapsulates a conglomerate of segmentary capitalist interests (the “lobbies”) and supporters from various “communities.”

American democracy is today the advanced model of what I call “low-intensity democracy.” It operates on the basis of a complete separation between the management of political life, grounded on the practice of electoral democracy, and the management of economic life, governed by the laws of capital accumulation. Moreover, this separation is not questioned in any substantial way, but is, rather, part of what is called the general consensus. Yet that separation eliminates all the creative potential found in political democracy. It emasculates the representative institutions (parliaments and others), which are made powerless in the face of the “market” whose dictates must be accepted. Marx thought that the construction of a “pure” capitalism in the United States, without any pre-capitalist antecedent, was an advantage for the socialist struggle. I think, on the contrary, that the devastating effects of this “pure” capitalism are the most serious obstacles imaginable.

Samir Amin, Revolution From North To South

What’s the difference between a fascist and an “anarchist” who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Sorry which party is this? Dems are not even a remotely left-leaning party. Joe Biden literally criminalized the rail workers using their legal right to strike.

This is also like a children's picture book-level of understanding of fascism. As if the Dems' policy of 4 more years of the status quo could prevent fascism at all. That has literally never worked as a way to combat fascism.

You should look up who created lemmy.

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

we have one of those? what's the name of the party?

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

What party in the US is even left-adjacent? The dems still firmly support the police, Israel, massive corporations, prolonging the war in Ukraine. Their actions in Iraq alone should prevent them from ever being considered a party that serves the working class.

If the democrats truly are the only viable "left" option then the only reasonable course of action would be to burn the whole state apparatus down and start anew.

You won't advocate for that of course because the fact is you don't really care about things being better, you care about pretending to be on the moral high-ground, so vague platitudes about things getting better in the abstract you get from democrats is just enough for you, because you probably endure no economic hardship and politics is just an extension of sports to you.

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist"

This is

Is your issue with anarchists or authoritarians? I somehow doubt that anarchists are sending you death threats. Nor do I see anarchists kneecapping the Democrats. Anarchists don't want a state, though many do vote for the moderate right-wing (not "left leaning") Democrats simply because they think it's the right thing to do.

Your sweeping generalizations and attempts to paint all of us with the same brush betray your own lack of knowledge, but don't worry, I'm sure the planet will last long enough for the Democrats' slow incremental change, and I'm sure my family in border camps are very thankful to be in liberal concentration camps.

they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Are you talking about the party that doubled Trump's deportation numbers, expanded oil drilling and fracking and striped the rail unions of their right to strike? I know you're not talking about THAT party, you think we've all been at brunch and hadn't been paying attention like you jackasses?

Am I allowed to PPB this dogshit take yet?

An anarchist is fighting against military/police. A fascist belongs, or wants to, to military/police. An anarchist is fighting against people who hold some power. A fascist is fighting against people because of their religion or origins. An anarchist likes to vote and discuss. A fascist likes to follow orders. An anarchist tends towards decentralization. A fascist tends towards centralization.

This are only some differences but spoiler alert : anarchist and fascist are not the same. They do not act the same way, they do not think the same way.

I understand that you hate them both, it is your point of view, and it's okay. But please, follow my advice : avoid trying to justify it with sentences as universal and strong as "There is no practical difference", it makes the whole thing ridiculous.

In the end, saying there is only "one viable [...] party", and even believing in a party itself, are also part of the problem imo. If you truly believe in this sentence, no wonder why you dislike anarchists and why they probably dislike you. But does it imply that either you or them are fascistic ? And if yes, did you considered that it could be you, who are defending a single "viable" party as the only solution, hating on every other option ?

Don't lump anarchists with way too online MLs.

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

Mutual Aid: A Theory of Evolution is available on Gutenberg. Go learn something.

I will repeat this until the heat-death of the universe:

Personal liberty and self-determination are assailed by many threats: the theocrats, nihilists, corporatists, fascists, and so-called "collectivists". They all claim to be the true authoritative “voice of the people”. 

Extreme authoritarian "leftists", A.K.A. “tankies” (i.e., apologists for Lenin, Stalin, Mao, the CCP, the DPRK, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Xi Jingping, etc.), are threats to a free, egalitarian, and open society, are just as violently authoritarian as their religious, corporatist, and fascist competitors, and should be treated with the contempt, distrust, and ridicule they deserve.

They claim to speak and fight for the proletariat, promising a new utopia, never before seen, once their revolution executes the last “class-traitor”. In practice, once they’re finished with “seizing the means of production”, they’ll never relinquish control and become the new ruling class. Beware of their cults. Understand what they really are; power over everything and everyone, forever, is what they seek. They want you either as a true believer (a willing pawn) or dead, just like all of the other supposedly benevolent dictators who promised utopias throughout history.

They’ll assume the mantle of an enlightened elite post-revolutionary administration to guide the proletariat to their promised utopia of “each according to their ability, to each according to their need”. In practice, "the party leadership needs the most, because they’re obviously the most able” in reorganizing the economic and political structure of society. The utopia of the “dictatorship of the proletariat” will never exist, only the dictatorship of the “revolutionary party”. Repression and execution await those who question their claims and decisions. These supposed champions of labor are really harbingers of death - of the mind and the body politic.

They’re akin to the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, the loudest voices in the revolution, usurpers of a righteous cause, but a bit “more equal” than everyone else after the farmer is done away with. Fortunately, the pigs, like the farmer, got their comeuppance in the end of the story.

Make these pigs squeal.

What’s the difference between a fascist, a democrat, and a Republican? At least the fascist makes the trains run on time while he’s running concentration camps and murdering minorities in the streets.

Unfortunate and very true.

Left is literally the opposite of authoritarian. You seem to be conflating a whole lot of ideas and terminology here. You sound like an ideological leftist who has been confused by the right's deliberate language-muddying.

Left is egalitarian. That takes many different forms: socialism, communism, direct democracy, anarchism, etc.
Right is authoritarian. That also takes many different forms: monarchy, feudalism, oligarchy, corporatism, etc.

Authoritarianism (or vertical/hierarchical power structure) is THE defining characteristic of the right. "Auth-left" is Doublethink; an oxymoron meant to distract from the fact that wealth and power are one and the same.

What’s the difference between a fascist and an “anarchist” who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

what's the difference between a cuckold and someone who votes for racist, homophobic, classicist establishment politicians no matter what; there is no difference.

For me it's just the fact that people have delved so deep into their echo chambers that they've lost all sense of what regular people think. Like I'm fine with someone being an extreme communist, they can have that opinion, but it seems like a lot of people on here talk to other extreme communists so much that they think more nuanced communists are somehow right wing. It doesn't matter how much you try to concede to acknowledge their viewpoint, their personal Overton windows have shifted so far that they exclude everyone but people exactly like them, and it just makes conversations impossible.

I'm convinced everyone from h*xbear is a bot. (censored b/c I don't want any of those fuckers noticing).

We spell it X-treme communism

Biden doubled Trump's deportation numbers and gave record breaking funding to corrupt police departments all over the country, also striped one of the largest unions in the country of its right to strike, something Republicans haven't managed to do since the Traffic Controller firings in the 80s

Yeah keep telling me about the "bad guys"

https://mronline.org/2022/01/21/the-700000-club/

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/20/biden-haiti-deportations-texas-del-rio/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-17/biden-administration-appeals-judge-order-to-stop-expelling-migrants-under-public-health-law

So easy to find these sources, but as you can see below me, libs don't know how to read basic statistics

I swear to god the next time tells me that BS I am going to shit myself, vomit, and cry.

There is a literal anti-Trans genocide in the US. That's "The good" you're defending.

Democrats are right wingers. And they're worlds away from anything I'd call "good"

If you always vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the worst evil imaginable.

If you always vote for the lesser of two evils, you end up with the worst evil imaginable.

i accidentally deleted my comment ahhhhhhhhh sorry for double ping

hahaha thats great

This is why. Well, this is one of the reasons.

First, we have extremely few liberals in America. The Democratic party is mostly made up of people that would be best described as center-right anywhere else in the world. They don't actually want to fight to roll back changes that Republicans make, and actually try to internally sabotage the few members that do want to undo changes the republicans make. They actively prevent change, and then active work against those who do want change all while professing to want change and to do their best to fight for it. But they're lying, and people are catching on. People are even starting to realize that the whole "We'd do stuff for you if it wasn't for that bad bad manchin, and Sinema" thing is as much of a lie, too.

The second reason that is more for the communists is something along the lines of the old joke "Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds" Communists don't like liberals (And the use of the word liberal is pretty different from the usage in the first case) because they view them as people that profess to want these better for others, until it requires any, even minor, amounts of sacrifice from the liberal. The whole Moderate Rebels thing in Syria? It was always a lie for one simple reason. Fighting is an extreme action. Moderates don't fight, they just don't. That's one of the reasons they're moderates. Liberals are like communists that aren't willing to fight or do what is necessary to enact change.

In the United States, we refer to anyone in the Democratic party as "liberals". Many people refer to Bernie Sanders as "liberal". It's kinda dumb, but easy to get caught in when you live in it.