Critical support for the Lemmy world peeps in their fight against pro-intellectual property nerds
Critical support for the Lemmy world peeps in their fight against pro-intellectual property nerds
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Ayo I'm in the screenshot letsa fucking GOOOOOOOOOO-
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I've seen (all on different instances with the same username) and has spent his time on !memes@lemmy.ml continuously spamming heavily transphobic, homophobic, and objectifying sexist "memes". Just about every one of his alts is now banned but I'm sure more will pop up.
Now, why the fuck he cares so much about pirates at this point, I haven't a clue....
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- /u/Bungiefan_ak@lemmy.world (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@lemdro.id (modlog)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@lemmy.ca (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@reddthat.com (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@startrek.website (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@lemmy.dbzer0.com (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@lemm.ee (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@sopuli.xyz (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@geddit.social (modlog)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@sh.itjust.works (modlog, banned)
- /u/Bungiefan_ak@literature.cafe (modlog, was denied entry by chad admin @gabe@literature.cafe lmao)
There's likely going to be more
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Yeah we banned them on reddthat 2 days ago. I'm glad to see I'm not an outlier. Initially we should a 7 day ban should suffice. But then that user decided to message the admin directly and insult them.
Probably the fastest way to get your account banned.
Edit: The message in question. 👀 (Attempted spoiler open if you dare)
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Maybe he just likes to argue with people. I have 1 such classmate. His "opinions" are always just opposite to who he's talking with. But apparently outside of school he's normal.
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I love arguing with people, I'll even argue points I don't necessarily believe, but that's not the same as trolling. The difference is doing it in good faith
Trolls aren't trying to convince anyone or engage in debate, they're in it to russle jimmies, own the libs, or whatever. There's not really an intellectual aspect to it, it's arguing on emotion
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Probably because one of his alts was on dbzer0 and was banned for transphobia
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Oh. Oh that makes so much more sense. His sad little idea of vengeance is to now attack anything piracy related and get dbzero ostracized from LW just because pirates have more morals than he does lol
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Oh wow, he's an even bigger loser than I remember on Reddit, or maybe I just didn't trigger him at the time (maybe he would've reacted differently if I was trans or at least if it was clear to him).
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Out of curiosity, just someone not supporting trans people or lgbtq are getting banned or they are taking asshole behaviour and spewing hate speech?
Edit: good fucking world. I am not against lgbtq. I am supporting it. I am a bi curious guy. I am all in for their civil rights. I was asking a question about why that guy was banned. For asshole behaviour or just having a different opinion. I don't believe just for telling someone doesn't care about lgbtq is not a reason for ban.
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The troll doesn't care, at all. It got banned clearly or it would be trolling here directly, it's retaliation. Child psychology will tell you everything you'd need to know about that "user".
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These are the alts, counts, scores, and ban status my instance is aware of:
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name | domain | banned | posts | comments | post_score | comment_score --------------+------------------+--------+-------+----------+------------+--------------- Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.world | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.dbzer0.com | t | 0 | 2 | 0 | -14 Bungiefan_ak | startrek.website | t | 0 | 0 | -35 | -4 Bungiefan_ak | reddthat.com | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemm.ee | t | 0 | 7 | 0 | -119 Bungiefan_ak | lemdro.id | f | 0 | 0 | 0 | -22 Bungiefan_ak | geddit.social | f | 0 | 0 | 0 | -30 Bungiefan_ak | sopuli.xyz | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | lemmy.ca | t | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 Bungiefan_ak | sh.itjust.works | t | 0 | 7 | 0 | -287 -
For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I've seen (all on different instances with the same username)
Spending that much money and time stanning for fucking Bungie of all decaying and bloated and corrupt treat companies is really something.
and has spent his time on !memes@lemmy.ml continuously spamming heavily transphobic, homophobic, and objectifying sexist "memes".
OF FUCKING COURSE.
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For context, Bungiefan_ak has no fewer than 4 alts that I've seen (all on different instances with the same username)
I mean, this is one of the benefits of the lemmyverse - using the same username across different instances. It's not subversive.
That's not to lend a defence of this guy - just didn't want having Lemmy alts presented as a bad thing.
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that guy is the most succesfull troll in history. he single-handedly created havoc that big that russian trollfarm wouldn't have to be ashamed for and you continue to give him audience. just ban him and move on.
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That's so funny, I'm just waiting when lemmy .world will defederate .ml and beehaw because of them.
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I reported that mother fucker. Scum like him are easy to spot and clean up.
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As did I, multiple times.
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Corporations when some dude steals a copy of a 30 year old movie: 😡
Corporations when they steal billions from their workers salaries every year: 🤑
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Taking money for a 30-year-old movie is pretty much government-assisted stealing, if I'm honest. Copyright in the USA originally had a term of 14 years.
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Here's the thing: copyright term includes the life of the author plus a fixed period. So the works you and I nobodies produce will eventually become public domain after we die. HOWEVER, and this is just my underatanding of the laws and I'm definitely not a lawyer, not big name IPs because they are not registered under the human author, but a corporation that is both a person under the law and effectively immortal. So even if it's two thousand years after George Lucas dies, Star Wars will still be copyrighted as long as Disney exists, and even if Disney dies, part of the process of corporate "death" is liquidation where they sell their IPs to the next asshole corporation.
Am I wrong? Please correct me if I am.
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We also pay for their bailouts and subsidies. Piracy is ethical.
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See, this is the stuff I was talking about in my other comment. Too many arguments in favor of piracy are these little one off, no context one-liners that sound snappy/true, but lack nuance.
It’s not that you don’t have a point, but you need to actually tease this out a little more, and also addressed the fact that most people who are pirating are not doing it for that reason. There is always unwillingness by piracy advocates to acknowledge that some people do it just because they want free shit. It’s not a moral stance, it’s not a social movement, it’s not a financial necessity, they just don’t want to pay for it. 
I definitely don’t ever pirate. I would never use transmission or the pirate bay to acquire what I want. But if I did, which, of course I don’t, I would admit it’s because of a combination of 1) convenience, 2) the ability to deploy where I want it, more specifically 3) so I can put it on my server to stream on my network, and 4) because of fears of the programming being taken down, such as streaming services.
I would also be lying if I said I wouldn’t do it because I don’t want to spend money on it. That’s just me being honest.
My point being that whatever your reasoning, I just don’t like when people throw out bullshit excuses or examples that only apply to .001% of people engaging in piracy.
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Does anybody have the greentext that goes something like
Pirate game
Company loses $60 because it's theft
Company regains $60 after deleting game from hard drive
Pirate one million copies, company bankrupt from massive theft
Buy insolvent company for cheap
Delete all game copies, company profitable again
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I love that, it's almost like how banks make money with loans: create money out of thin air, lend it, profit.
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The companies don't need plebs to protect them. If anyone should be willing to lay their body for them it's their shareholders.
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yall, this dude tried signing up to my instance a few nights ago. yall wanna see why many communities have registration approvals? see below. warning for nsfw language
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Still laughing at the vast amount of people coming from reddit and expecting only chill people to be on lemmy. Like lemmy users are somehow immune to toxicity.
It's less toxic overall but we (or mostly the moderators) will have to fight them all the time.
At least it will improve the moderation tools which is always a good thing.
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Yet people complain when you use one of the few tools available to you, namely defederation lol
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Deny Reason: ok
lol
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this world is not ready for two based gabes existing at the same time
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What if we got a bunch of Josh's to fight?
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Registration approval should be on by default..
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That is legitimately one of the most disgusting things I've read, what is wrong with this person, why would he write that as an application.
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Lmao this is the guy that first lead to them banning the communities right?
Love that lemmy.world seems to be making their moderation strategy based off of a troll with at least 4 alts....
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Props to him for fooling an entire instance
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Made them show their true face and flaws. Who knows, maybe the troll is even someone from their staff on an alt.
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Honestly kinda legendary
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He didn't fool anyone, he just seems to have caught them acting like hypocrites and made them either put up or shut up. If you want to enforce rules, you need to actually enforce the rules. If discussions of illegal things is against the rules that you made, then clearly an entire community built around illegal piracy is against the rules. Him pointing that out is a big-brain move that you would hope the admins would have gone "ah you got us. We'll change that rule to not be so restrictive", but instead they went "well shit, we'll remove it instead of changing our stupid rules".
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What a fucking loser crying about intellectual property. Love live piracy and anarchy. Be gay do crime! 🏴 🏴☠️ 🏳️🌈 🏳️⚧️ yo ho ho 🦜
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its actually amazing how internet culture went from this anarcho-utopianism where information just wants to be free, maaan to reddit style races to the normie bottom. who gives a shit about intellectual property other than bowtie spinning economist dickheads and the beltway lanyard class?
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In fairness, I think it's because the tech barrier of entry went down, WAYYY down. "Free Data" is an easy sell to people who were dialing into usenet in the 90's, and us stupid ameteur hackers who would break into systems like they were puzzles because we thought it was cool and the maximum penalty was a fine and community service (the good old days, we all did it at least once and thought we were Zero Cool... unless we thought Zero Cool was lame, whatever). A lot of the people who think IP jives well with the internet were the ones who looked at me weird when I said I had online friends circa 2000, and who couldn't understand how I couldn't make some party because I "had to spend Saturday hanging out on IRC for my D&D campaign"
Even more technical folks now, they just never lived what made the internet beautiful when it was smaller. Back when "FOSS" was "Free as in Beer" and fuck that Richard Stallman with his "free as in speech" bullshit. They don't remember how this dark storm of people's hobbies turning into other people's IP, people like Bill Gates stealing the foundations of technology to build his empire (for all the good he does now, he was truly evil to his core).
Ok, old-fart rant over.
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for real! I just noticed a show I wanted to watch Star Trek: Prodigy has been removed from Paramount+ for no fucking reason. The only reason I have that shit is because i'm a huge trekkie and I want them to make more and I think that Paramount+ is the only way they make any money for Trek and my roommate pays for it. Thank for for torrents. The show isn't even watchable from any streaming service atm so I HAVE to pirate it. Normally I don't for Star Trek simply because of how many episodes all the shows are combined but fuck it.
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Piracy of software is always moral in the face of proprietary software.
They have stolen so much from us that we have all right to revolt.
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Intellectual property is denial of media rights to the public.
Theft is justified in the face of capitalism.
Those who live in precarity, poverty, homlessness or hunger are justified to do whatever violence is required to survive.
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I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions. However, most of the arguments are pretty sound, and I can’t imagine working that hard making new accounts just to argue in favor of movie/record studios that have exploited artists for as long as they have existed.
The “filthy” line was just funny to me lol
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I think people who are pro-piracy tend to be a little dogmatic in the wrong direction, refusing to exercise their imagination or contemplate situations where people can be legitimately hurt financially or otherwise by their actions.
That's not been my experience. I always see people advocating for paying for games/media when it comes from indie devs etc. And there is a difference between piracy and outright theft of artwork which is then profited from, I.e. a company steals small artists work and puts it on t-shirts - very few "pro-piracy" people, if any at all, are advocating for that.
At the end of the day, pirates do it because they either have very little money or they're smart and want to retain the money they have. Then there are anti-copyright people, which is cool too.
Then there are the people who don't really know what's going on but claim some moral standing surrounding piracy. I can actually feel them coming, fuck...
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 Well that has often been my experience, but I’m not going to pretend that my experience as everyone is.
For instance, I see a lot of really ridiculous arguments claiming it’s for archiving.” First of all, they do not follow archival procedures. Second, they are not working with any known archiving organizations. Thirdly, they are not using what they have “archived” in any manner that could be considered “for the public good.“ Unless you want to count seeding it back out, but that argument can become pretty recursive pretty quickly. 
It also just so happens they are archiving mostly - if not entirely - the games they want to play, the shows they want to watch, and the movies they want to watch. It’s awfully curious how much the venn diagram of “archiving for the public good” and “what I want to enjoy” resembles a circle lol.
My point being, there are arguments in favor of piracy, most of which i agree with. But I see a lot of disingenuous ones from people who are clearly just doing it because they feel entitled to the media. I would rather they were just honest about their intentions instead of feeding me nonsense talking points that even they don’t believe. Otherwise it just reeks of justifying their actions (poorly) instead of just saying “I have nothing to justify.”
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When it comes to art, there’s always somebody who doesn’t make it financially. Too few sold albums, too few downloads, too little merch sold. Some artists are always going to struggle and barely stay afloat making art, while the ones doing marinally worse are gonna quit and do something else.
The number of these people for whom piracy - or any other small loss of revenue for that matter - tips the scale doesn’t depend on how many people pirate stuff.
The actual difference piracy makes is the 0.2% (or whatever) dent in revenue which then means ~ 0.2% of potential artists end up working in other industries.
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When deciding whether or not use someone's art without their permission, it behooves one to consider the ethics. Whether you come to a different conclusion than I do is whatever, but not every case is exactly the same, and to dismiss the people on the other side of the equation with made-up numbers pulled from thin air is not the proper way to go about it.
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They never think on the people they affect. They just want free things all the time claiming imaginary problems like the government and companies steal from them, like bro, that's just how capitalism works if you don't like it go to rusia, Venezuela and see how they're doing
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My feelings are far more nuanced than this. Suffice to say I do not agree with you when you paint with such broad strokes.
Yes some people just want free shit, I think most people would acknowledge that. But when you get too boilerplate about piracy and don't explore the topic, you're no better than those who make up disingenuous reasons for why they never need to consider what they are pirating and who it may impact.
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Ah, reading these comments make me feel like I'm back on Reddit.
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Yup. Folks looking for stuff to be salty about. Those admins were protecting their hides and had every right to do so. Hosting carries risks. What could have been handled better was communicating this (a day or three beforehand + not on Discord lmao). The people acting like this is some sort of unforgivable problem are just being dorks. Don't like it? Pop onto a new instance. It's easy and is a perfect example as to why Lemmy is great.
Edit: Worth mentioning that the piracy community is among the most active groups on the entire platform. As a viable alternative to reddit, I don't think piracy being the face of Lemmy is a great look. Newcomers may start on LW and never need or want this community. Those who want it WILL find it.
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Huh, wow, someone talking sense on the subject and not getting downvoted to oblivion.
Some instances will be more averse to legal risk than others. Some will also lean more towards "censorship" (showing bigots the door) whilst others will be "free speech encouraged" (full of them). That's the beauty of the fediverse. Pick your poison. Why go all pitchforks and DDOS attacks etc against an instance that doesn't share your values when it's piss easy to just switch to one that does?
(I'm somewhere down the middle on the piracy subject. I believe in supporting small individual developers trying to feed their kids. But Adobe and the like can go fuck themselves)
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I've even been seeing the old "could you kindly (deliberately obtuse bad-faith request to "prove" something "objectively" where any evidence given is a "biased" source or "has a narrative")" sea lioning tactic. They even do the smug "I'll wait" follow-up line.
One even asked me to objectively prove that they were sea lioning and threw a slang dictionary at me (that for some reason only included a weird and obscure "stalker" definition and not the bad faith evidence demands) in a way that was sea lioning the idea of sea lioning.
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We're home bois
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I buy most of my content, steam mostly for games, have spotify, buy music from bandcamp for DJ sets, at least my favorites, have family netflix, HBO, disney +, although I don't use those as much since they are mostly full of crap. Sometimes I even buy/rent a movie if it is not available in those and I can't find any torrent, or just out of convenience. I produce music and buy all my audio software (ableton and fuckton of plugins) because I don't want to deal with the hassle of using pirated versions. I buy ebooks every now and then too, although with that I also admittely pirate some, especially when the author is dead, in which case I really don't feel any guilt for pirating it. I also use patreon often and support creators that way.
I still think piracy needs to be an option, so streaming services can't have their way and we are just forced to use their enshittified platforms. I avoid it, because I understand not everything can be open source, and nothing get's done without revenue. I don't pirate from small authors/creators.
All the while musicians get basically fucking nothing from huge streaming services profiting from their labor. Series get cancelled left and right despite good reception because they were not profitable enough, although still profitable, because netflix is only interested making next big hit. Games are filled with microtransactions and kernel level tracking (anti cheat), forced online features in single player game and sometimes games one bought are just made unavailable, like with old mobile games (case in point, dead space mobile). Professional software is often moved to predatory subscription models and paywalled updates to the software, like Avid, Waves.
And people still cirlejerk about piracy being the worst thing to intellectual property ever. Problem isn't piracy, problem is small creators are payed so little from listens/views/whatever that the can barely get by, and have to make alternate source of income via patreon or some other stuff. Piracy won't even make a dent in that.
Luckily in every category some people/companies are pushing back but all of this is just case in point why we need piracy. When I get around releasing music/games, I don't mind piracy at all, might even put my own tunes on pirate sites out of spite. Current intellectual property laws are fucking joke and only benefit the largest creators in their respective fields.
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After Adobe fucking me out of thousands, I swore I'd make sure I never gave them another cent. if there weren't greedy scumbags I would've paid for upgrades (hundreds of bucks) to the master collection every 5-10 years. Now, because that wasn't enough for them, they'll never EVER get another dime from me. I encourage pirating their shit because fuck them. What they did to their customers was unconscionable. When I called to ask them to make this right, after essentially breaking their promise to me that this enormous purchase was an investment, their best offer? 25% of my first year of cloud. Lol... Would've still felt like the shaft of they gave it to me free for 5 years.
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Same. I make good money today and I can pay for the stuff I use, but when I get some nostalgia and feel like playing a game from my childhood like The Little Samson, my only option is to go cry on a corner because the game isn't available anywhere and is worth 3 thousand dollars minimum - which even if I paid would never go to the folks who made the game anyway.
When I was a teenager I couldn't afford anything. I didn't even had a computer or a video-game of my own, I started working at a Lan house when I was 14 just to be able to afford an occasional snack. I played a bunch of SNES games at that time thanks to emulators - if piracy wasn't an option I would never have played them and probably wouldn't have gotten into videogames that much. 6 years later I managed to buy a DS and a couple games. Since then I've bought several consoles and a ton of games for each of them. Nintendo made several thousand dollars from me over the years and that would never have happened if I didn't have access to SNES pirated games 20 years ago.
I even got to make a game of my own now, which directly benefitted from piracy as well, as I noticed a bunch of people playing pirated versions on YouTube, with comments on those videos mentioning they liked it and bought it. My main concern related to piracy at that time was that those players were not getting bug fixes and new stuff I added to the game.
In truth, there is no downside to piracy - it's a net gain for everyone involved as long as the paying customers get to have a better, more comfortable experience with not having to deal with any hassle to consume your content. But if you make it harder for me to consume your content than the high seas does, well that's on you.
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You can summarize that in just simply saying: capitalism is the problem. Just with anything else, capitalism doesn't care to give us the best entertainment, it simply will benefit the ones with the most profit. So long we live under capitalism, this will be the underlying problem. Capitalism doesn't care about what people want or need.
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Amine
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It just looks like some Lemmy users are falling for an obvious troll.
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Best part is when they start pretending to be stupid, after already having demonstrated they aren't. Which then paradoxically proves that they are.
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the lemmy.world admins specifically fell for it, since they did block this community.
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It’s such an obvious over the top troll too guys, come on
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Still, one of the key aspects of piracy is discreteness and these debates and notoriety don't help with that. Piracy does not look for you, you look for it, if you know how to find out how. The last thing I want is for every single Lemmy thread about netflix to have a top comment saying piracy is better than streaming.
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piracy is better than streaming
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You're telling me, buddy :D and not just for the obvious reasons that bring us to this community, some stuff on hard disks is also better than the "cloud".
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Sounds a like a fucking corpo plant.
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Neat! Deeply ineffective communication! Starting to feel more like reddit by the day!
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There was a short time at the beginning of the user influx on Lemmy were it actually felt friendly. Now everyone starts getting mad again. I think it’s in part because the critical mass of edgelords and otherwise hateful people has been reached. And it’s contagious or something.
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It's honestly hilarious every time someone tells me to go back to Reddit
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Fuck intellectual property, all my friends hate the intellectual property
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"Intellectual property" is a corpo term, and using it accepts their framing. They're trying to conflate copyright, trademark, and patent law with property law.
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Bungiefan
These days, a more obscure toxic fandom, but still one with quite a history of Disney-tier "anything the treat maker does is objectively justified and any criticism threatens the flow of additional treats and must be raged at" takes.
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They look like they are having fun on line:
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He either got bullied to much or not enough while in school. 😂
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this person seems to hate piracy just because it's illegal...
(reminder about homosexuality being illegal in most countries in the middle east)
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Most pirates doesn't use the product if pirated version isn't avaliable, they aren't a costumer, blocking piracy is actually a bad marketing decision, people can build hype even if they aren't paying. No significant revenue is actually lost for piracy
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people can build hype even if they aren’t paying
Historical examples: Windows and Photoshop, especially in countries outside G7. XP was probably the most pirated version of Windows and I wouldn't be surprised if Photoshop was also the number 1 most pirated program during the mid-late 2000's
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Obvious troll is obvious
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Them defederating piracy communities was the nail in the coffin for me, just deleted account.
First was some weird shit about a porn community with petite girls and how it invites pedophiles. Even though that one doesn't affect me, it's still like uhhhhh, petite women exist......
Now this piracy shit. It's like they're pushing their morals and "concerns" onto every member without consent. Reddit still has piracy and petite subreddits, which paints somewhat of a picture of how non issue they are.
Hopefully shitjustworks is fast, stable, and doesn't pull that shit.
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To be fair, the petite girl controversy thing was the lemmy.blahaj.zone admin being a weird tyrant, not lemmy.world. Unless they did the same thing at LW lol. Thus far shitjustworks has been reliable and unobtrusive for me.
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They certainly picked a weird hill to choose for defederating, lots of communities defederate lemmynsfw just because they don't want porn in users feeds (which is totally fair). The specific post they were angry at was a verified OF model and also had been verified for the community they were posted in. Like if you just don't want a porn instance just say that's the reason, dont make it look bad
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Hopefully shitjustworks is stable
Double irony both from their name and this hope considering they've been down for a while now.
EDIT: and they're back up now. Maybe they didn't want Lemmy.world hogging all the downtime.
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There was also the pre-emptive de-federating from another instance because the admin didn't agree with that instance's admins political ideologies, even though on that instance the admin was telling people to obey other instance rules and not brigade etc.
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What is the petite community you say?
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Adorableporn. The girl in question wasn't even naked if the post people said sparked it was the one I saw. Braces = cp apparently.
There's even a fauxbait.
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Bro I'm still jittery from hating on spez.. all I had to see were some of the comments lemmy.world mods and admin made and it was fucking easy as piss to move instances.
Not getting rid of my old account tho, they can continue to host everything I posted.
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It's a bit more nuanced than that. Their servers are based in the EU and therefore a rather easy target for copyright lawsuits, and they have neither unlimited funds nor the manpower to fight them off (even if the allegations are completely unfounded, you need a lawyer to refute them, and lawyers charge actual money).
Sometimes it's easier to focus on your strengths than fighting the good fight on all fronts and go down swinging.
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I've migrated to another instance because of this and their uptime
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cant use lemmy.world to talk about pirate shit if the instance is constantly down
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I genuinely do understand concerns about legal issues and the risk of facilitating illegal activities- but its not even hosted on their instance, why would it mater that the communities EXIST. They're literally hosted by someone else...?
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But it is hosted on your home server.
When you subscribe to a community, your home server downloads the content and passes it on to you.
This is not like when The Pirate Bay was allowed to live because it only hosted torrent files and not copyrighted content, in the fediverse, you copy the content to your own server, and pass it on to the client/user, which means hosting the content.
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That's a very fair argument and I appreciate you explaining that, though I don't think it changes my stance on whether I agree with their decision. I feel there's still a difference between hosting it directly vs the federated nature of the platform meaning that the content is copied so it can be served to an end user. Banning the communities feels a bit knee jerk to me, and it doesn't help that the person pushing for the changes is clearly not interested in reasonable discussions about how the platform we're on should or shouldn't dictate ethical choices for their users (and is also a raging homophobe).
Issues with the person pushing mods to make this change aside (since thats essentially irrelevant to whether it was the right call in a vacuum. Doesn't matter that the guy sucks), the decision doesn't sit right with me, even if I can empathize with the provided rationale.
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And that's an issue, and suggests some flaws with Lemmy's architecture. Lemmy UI's should be indexers, no more. This is probably why we keep seeing the push-and-pull of "we must create a giant web" vs" fuck that, small is better". Each lemmy instance is a full-fledged forum solution, storing a copy of the entire network of all other forum solutions we're interested in. Of course it'll never succeed at either.
And now that Lemmy's reached a more critical mass, I'm not sure it could pivot to a better design. Which is a shame. Because it's still better than reddit, but it'll never be what many people loved about what reddit (and digg) used to be.
EDIT: It's not all doom and gloom. I think there's a space for self-hosted apps or clients to make up for that gap, and we already have search indexers to find communities cross-web. I think when we have better multi-user integration, we'll have a lot of opportunity. Like if I had a lemmy.world user primary, and it had a authorizing key, I could maybe have a user on dbzer0.com that has the public key for my lemmy.world and still effectively sign that account in a defederated instance. Enough people have been demanding something like that, I'm sure it'll drop eventually.
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I wish them luck in their quixotic quest to police the entire lemmyverse
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Isn't that hard. It's not that big
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There's a story about trying to suppress an insurrection. You have ten insurgents. You kill five. The next day you have fifteen insurgents...
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Isn't that hard. It's not that big
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that’s just a troll, downvote and move on
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downvote, block, and move on. Makes the moving on part more efficient.
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no, don't block. blocking only makes it so that you don't see that bs behaviour, but it's still there. instead, report or if you are mod/admin, ban outright. if you want to block anyway, at least report beforehand
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And Report.
Get the instance admins and mods aware, and get the troll booted out.
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I claim user name of Bungiefan. I came up with it, so it's mine. All posts made under that user name are now my intellectual property.
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What’s this drama now? The “anti-piracy” person sounds like a troll. Especially if they’re shit posting like this on a piracy-focused community. 🤦🏻♂️
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He is LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
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Nintendo after removing Mario: Mega Cum (1995) for purchase and it’s gets pirated by 30 people
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Im just here to try federation stuff. Dont mind me
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Ironic, since companies would like to consider homebrew at the same level as piracy.
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Meanwhile me on Beehaw where the sun is shining 🌈🌈🌈 and the folks are super nice 😊
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Beehaw is pretty cool
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Jesus that is beyond cringe. World fanbois simping for their domains and admins lmao.
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I'm all for letting servers choose what they want to ban and allow. Its easy enough to just create a new account on a different server if you do not agree with the server admins decisions.
That's the beauty of federation. The user can also setup his own instance to access the content if he wishes. He might have to learn how to do it, but its totally doable.
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I just created a lemmy.ca account because LW down time guess I use this account as my main and the other one is to collecting dust
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Didnt lemmy.world defederate to not get into any legal trouble?
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They're just normal people running the instance, not a major corporation with a legal team. While it's unfortunate they defederated, it's understandable that they'd rather be overly cautious when it comes to stuff they can be sued for
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Yep I love piracy but I have a real life and I’d think twice about what I hosted if i ran an instance…no matter what I believe and the low likelihood of legal consequences. Hosting an instance is a hobby. I have to click two buttons in the app I use to access this place on another account. Who cares.
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No one has been able to correctly enumerate what "legal trouble" there was. It was proactive with nothing leveraged against them.
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Do not feed the trolls. Happiness doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
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You wouldn't download a [grain bill]
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That is fuckin bonkers!
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Wow, so much butthurt energy...
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Klyde seems like they know what they're talking about
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Ha, what a loser. Artists don't deserve to be paid for their work.
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Pretty sure the artists get paid whether consumers pirate the final product or not? The Bungie devs don't get paid less money for every game that is pirated 🤡
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Actually they might. Game developers get bonuses based on how well the game sold. Well a lot at least. It's not just games though.
I still pirate things. It's just way more convenient than having 30 subscriptions
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Artists don't deserve to be paid for their work.
That's the take of the suits and investors that receive the staggering majority of the revenue from the companies you're stanning for.
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I know they have "arts" in their name, but Electronic Arts doesn't make art.
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So just pirate indie releases right? As artist for manor companies already don’t get paid
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Most rappers are legitimate criminals some even murderers. They don't deserve shit.
People act like "normal" people aren't criminals. The world is really dark. Oh yeah not to mention ruining lives and families by selling them crack or pimping out women and kids.
Snoop drove for a hitter.
Source: seent it irl.
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To be fair, you pirates always look like starving entitled whiny bastards. You want everything free in life and feel like you have the right and duty to take it from others. You can't pay even $5 for a fucking game? Lmao you obviously can but choose to be a parasite and not to.
And before you come here telling me that it's not stealing and these aren't physical items, what I mean is that you're actively hurting honest businesses and small artist. You're taking thier products, making exact copies of it and then distributing them freely. You're not competing economically making your own product, you're just leeching off from someone else's hard work and then killing any opportunity they could have of profiting from it.
Y all act like selling is something bad, but I have news for you: That's how the world works! People need to buy food, pay rent and pay bills, and they're not doing it by just making things free
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Imagine being this much of a fucking square.
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I haven't heard someone call a person a square in a long time.
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Found bungiefan's new alt name
Get a life dude
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Marathon was really unique and I know Halo has a lot of fans, but the far end of the Bungie fandom licks a lot of boots.
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Joined 6 hours ago, I'd be willing to bet money that they're the same person.
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you're just leeching off from someone else's hard work
so are the people profiting from said work. the owners of the business keep the revenue, they don't give it to the people who did the hard work.
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Paypigs are pathetic. Imagine forking over money to some corporate publisher to "support the artist" . Want to support independent artists/creators? It's called commissions and donations(patreon, kofi, etc.)
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And I have news for YOU. I WILL keep on supporting the piracy of unoptimised, incomplete garbage games, that use the preorders as beta testers, famous examples being Gollum and Cyberpunk 77. In comparison, I see no problem paying for quality games like Skyrim, or games that have fixed their issues, like Shadow of War removing the microtransactions and fixing most of the bugs. But crap like Gollum (the game, I have a sort of respect and pity for the character) has no place on my system, even if I had Duck Tales money, even if I had a 2 TB RAM, multiple 4090s or whatever the latest overpriced Nvidia crap is, and the latest, most powerful, server level CPUs, with like 128 cores or something, I still wouldn't buy and play this garbage. Alright?
I velieve rhis shpuld be done to teach the lazy bastards in management in those game companies, that if you want good sales, you have to take things a bit slower and poliah the product out. Unfortunately, it seems that they don't give a fuck, because Denuvo protects their games during the first few months of sales, when they make a profit on the garbage they've made. Then they do some bug fixing and move on to the next cash cow. That's how the gaming industry works. And I don't know about you, but I do NOT want to support this mess.
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You're not making any sense dude, are you a masochist or what? You so vehemently say how bad, unfinished, unpolished and garbage these games are and yet you go out of your way to pirate them and play them, even if you hate it and rant about how you wouldn't install them even if you had a quantum pc.
Also, you pirates argue that pirating doesn't really affect companies, that once you decide not to buy thier stuff pirating doesn't make any difference, so how that would "teach them"?. To me, seems like a childish way to get back at them then, you know you're doing nothing and yet you choose to do so. So irrational and ridiculous.
That's what I hate about you pirates, you HAVE to consume no matter what, even if it's crap you don't even like, who is the greedy one, companies or you that steal just to munch on trash?
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I don't care.
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And you'd do the same, if you could.
Your boss steals every day from you. Corporations steal every day from us. Why are we supposed to act like docile sheep?
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To be fair
Already a
opener, right up there with "um," and "hate to break it to you, but"entitled
Some day sucking all that shoe polish off of corporate footwear will pay off and you will wear the boot! Keep at it, treat defender!
but I have news for you
Your refractory period must have passed because you're doing the
thing again in the same post.That's how the world works!
You may need to hydrate, have more Vitamin E, and possibly have a burn clinic on speed dial with all that mental masturbation you're doing here.
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Stealing rules hope this helps
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When I am able to pay content creators directly, I do. I am not a pirate, myself, though I have pirated in the past. I think some of the rationale behind pirating derives from intolerance of anti-consumer practices. If I'm paying for a streaming service, I shouldn't be forced to watch ads. If I'm paying for a game, there shouldn't be day one DLC-gated content, especially if that content is already part of the game and the DLC does little more than unlock it (I'm looking at you Bioware).
Pirating isn't always about stealing for the sake of using or watching something for free. It can be about that, sure, but it isn't always. Often, it's about punishing entities for bad practices---for treating customers unfairly, for instance, or for restricting access to content.
And usually the people who make decisions that negatively affect customers are removed from the creation of the content itself. It's kind of sad, really.
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Voting with your wallet is valid and understandable, I have no issues when someone refuse to buy products from a brand they don't like for any reason.
But, for pirates isn't enough to just not buy, they have to consume the product either way even if, by their words, is a garbage mess, bad service or whatever. They like to trash talk about games or shows or anything and yet they go out of thier way to pirate.
Also, according to them, when you pirate a game you're not hurting the company, because you already make the decision to not buy the product, so pirating it doesn't make any difference. So how that would that punish any entity then? It's so incoherent
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Nobody's pirating $5 games. People pirate price-gouge-tastic games from billion-dollar corporations that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars in total, and are designed to exploit players' psychological weaknesses (like gambling addiction or childhood naïveté) to extract far more money from them than a reasonable adult would be willing to pay. They also ruin the experience of their own products with high-overhead DRM like Denuvo, which pirates remove. These are not honest businesses, they are extremely profitable despite widespread piracy, and they do not require or deserve your sympathy.
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Lol I hardly think that companies like EA or Microsoft are "honest businesses" or "small artist[s]", fuckers have made billions of dollars through their anticompetitive monopolistic bullshit.
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