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People only say summer is good because we used to get 2 months off during it
- This absolutely. Also summer didn't use to feel like an inner circle of hell 30 years ago.
- I prefer fall, it is cloudy, dreary, cold, damp, no pollen, just overall my vibe.

Winter too cold: Oh no, I guess I’ll put on some fuzzy socks and drink some chamomile tea
Summer too hot: Guess I’ll go to the fuckin ER for heat stroke
- So very true. Dressing for cold is so much easier than heat it's mindboggling to read some of these summer fan comments. Like, do you guys actually live on the same planet as I do? Cause this one sucks the minute temperatures go past 20c.
  
  Some folks just tolerate extreme temps differently. I am nearly impervious to heat, but begin hating life below 10C.
- You ever looked at a stock image search of "Arab guy in desert" and wondered why they are wearing all that clothing?
  
  It’s pretty easily explained and you can find reasons and anecdotes on YouTube, etc! Garments can do an effective job of keeping solar radiation off of you and regulate temperature! Obviously, culture and religion play a part as well

Depends on where you are. Miserable in hotter places I'm sure, but in Sweden it's quite honestly glorious. Sun up from 03:30 to 22 in Stockholm, and it never quite gets dark. Does wonders for your mood.
Winter, however, is a cold, dark and wet mess. Truly depressive.
Spring and autumn are alright, but suffer from just a little bit too much rain.
Naturally, the climate crisis is making things slightly too warm for comfort now, and we're going to have to retrofit all homes to withstand heat better before too long.
- Winter, however, is a cold, dark and wet mess. Truly depressive.
  Anyone saying summer 'only has good pr' doesn't have winters like that.
  
  We’re winters do suck. Snowy winters are my jam though, even with the lack of day light, the snow and quiet make up for it.
  Hot humid summers, and especially mosquitoes, can fuck right off. The extra daylight is nice though
  
  Yeah, exactly. Winters in LA or LA might be different. But, winters in places with months and months of snow are awful. You can't do much outside because it's too cold. You can't have your windows open to get some fresh air because it's too cold. You can dress properly to do outdoor activities, but it often requires so many layers that it's really uncomfortable. Plus, you can't have any gaps. Your neck, wrists, ankles are often places where the cold can get in, or worse they can get wet and being cold and wet is awful.
  In addition, the world is just miserable in winter. There's almost nothing alive outside other than other humans. No grass, many trees lose all their leaves, birds migrate away, everything is shades of grey or brown. Christmas can be fun, and it's no coincidence that it's celebrated almost exactly on the darkest day of the year. That's when we need a lot of pretty lights and cheer. But, Christmas is just the beginning of winter. What follows is months of gloomy grey cold.
  And, while there are outdoor winter sports, you need special footwear for all of them because of the snow and ice. You can't even walk across a field or a park without extra effort because of all the snow. Even key winter sports like skating or hockey, if played outside, require that you at a minimum spend a lot of time shovelling all the snow off the ice surface. For a good experience you also have to flood and smooth the ice periodically. So, it's a lot of work.
  Having said all that, if I had to choose between -30 and +40, I'd probably choose -30, because at least you can put on appropriate gear for that and spend some time outside doing something fun. It may be dark and it may be grey, but it's possible to dress for the weather. When it's too hot, you really can't spend any time outside, without risking your life, and it certainly isn't possible to do anything active. But if the choice is between -30 and +30, give me the +30 any day.
  
  I see summer as a nice relief from the depressing winter
  
  Counterpoint: I lived in Sweden and I miss that winter's gloom. Sure, it's dark before the snow falls but it gives you something to look forward to.
- I honestly love the solitude that harsh winters bring. And all the heavy clothing I get to wear, the much longer nights, going through my stockpile of canned and preserved goods. There have been winters where I was snowed in for weeks, and they were glorious
  It's true, the brain and body need extra care to prevent depression during winter, but I'm much more depressed during the long, blistering hot summer months
  
  Yeah that winter sounds fun.
  Try 7 months of dark at 3pm and grey overcast and mild drizzle everyday.
  
  Winter is quite nice when there is snow. We don't get that in Stockholm, for the most part.
- Yep summer in Scotland just means it rains slightly less and doesn’t get dark at 3pm
  
  I've been told it's positively Mediterranean this year though, is that right?
- "Climate crisis is making things slightly too warm for comfort"
  Oh my. How bothersome.
  I know you didn't mean it that way, just the understatement had me cackling.
  
  Well, it begins with too warm for comfort here, and then it gets progressively worse.
- I know there’s been a campaign for years about seasonal depression, but lack of sleep causes depression too and if it’s only dark for 5.5 hours I’m probably getting about that much sleep and I’m probably waking a few times during it to sigh and turn over. Unless there’s AC and the light is 100% blacked out (not a speck peeking over or around the curtain).
  
  Blackout curtains are mandatory equipment for any Swedish bedroom, in my opinion. There's no way to get enough sleep without them. Sleep masks also help if you're particularly sensitive to light.
  AC is generally speaking not required, as nights are cool and letting in air can provide adequate cooling for all but the hottest days of the year. This is of course a problem for people like me who are allergic to grass pollen, which is active during summer, but I've been able to get by mostly with a fan these days.
- Exactly. In Seattle, summer is the best. High of 75 most days and because of the water surround the city, it only gets down to high 50’s at night. And our winters aren’t too bad. 45F/40F averages, just wet with the light rain.
  But don’t tell anyone because we don’t want more people moving here!
  
  But don’t tell anyone because we don’t want more people moving here!
  You need to build more housing so that more people can enjoy it, but more significantly so that the people already there can afford it.
- In Alaska all of the seasons have their charm, except Spring. Spring is a bad time.
  The thick ice on the roads starts to melt and you have wet ice for an unacceptably long time. All of the soft fluffy white snow on the sides of the road hardens and gets covered in dirt being spread to make roads drivable. Every time you leave the house it’s a harrowing experience, and everyone’s so used to the danger of driving they just shrug and go ”yeah, it’s bad out there huh?” Randomly you get a cold snap without snow just to make you suffer a bit before it goes back to thawing.

It didn't used to be as bad as it is today a short while ago. It will continue to be worser for the rest of our lives.

I hate bugs. I hate everything being full of bugs and flies and the trash cans outside stink like poop in the heat. I hate having bug babies everywhere. I hate having a deadly lazer above me so that I can only choose between burning myself alive, wearing disgusting cream, or covering up like crazy and sweating even more. All the food goes bad instantly. The food in the supermarket is infested with flies. I wake up at 4 am because stupid Altbau doesn't allow for proper outside blinds. I hate that it's either fucking up the environment even more by using AC or heat stroke. I also hate overdone AC in buildings that gives me a cold. Have you ever had a feverish cold during summertime? It's awful. And makeup, you cannot do makeup in the heat without it becoming a smudge of sunscreen, color, oil and sweat. Have I mentioned the bugs and caterpillars and maggots and larvae and everything, everything is alive? And then, when it rains and everything cools down for a bit, you get earthworms.
You know what's amazing? Cold ass dry snowy winter days. Bug free heaven.
- You know what’s amazing? Cold ass dry snowy winter days. Bug free heaven.
  I love the cold, clear, still winter nights when there's so many stars you think you're seeing things, and it's so quiet you can hear the owls fly by.
- Thank you for perfectly describing just about all the reasons I would skip summer altogether if I could.
  The one missing complaint from my end is that you can't do anything outside or in a non-AC building without instantly sweating like you took a shower with your clothes on.
  And don't get me started on everything being on fire. The only thing worse than regular summer is a summer where you can't see the skies for several month's due to the smoke and you have to worry about your house burning down all the damn time.
  Couldn't agree more with the OOP.

Got AC? Cool. No? Not cool.
- This. Heat can be nice when you can cool off in the pool and can easily escape it indoors. Not so fun if there is no escape for weeks or months.
  I love the winter, but it obviously sucks if you freeze to death.

Winter you can add layers.
Summer, there's only so many layers you can remove before somebody calls the cops
- Wym? That's the best part!
- It's always fun and games until somebody calls the cops.
  
  It's only illegal if you get caught

Hot weather is a lot more comfortable than cold weather to me tbh
- Same. I'll take 110F/43C any day over 10F/-10C. 85/35 is my happy place.
  
  You're mad.
  20c or lower.
  If it's warmer I am not liable for dripping sweat all over things.
  
  Naw, 75F+ is gross. 60F is the sweet spot.
  
  Grew up in San Diego. Twas 75F year round

I agree, but at the same time, I wouldn't give up having the contrast between seasons for anything. You need that 92 degrees with 80% humidity to really appreciate the cool down after a thunderstorm. And my absolute favorite time of year is that first chilly week in September that let's you know the heat is behind you--but the frigid cold is on the way.
All things in balance and moderation...
- 80% humidity
  As a Houstonian, sincerely,
  
  Laugh all you want, at least we don't live in Texas.
- Yeah, I'd argue the real problem is that each season is too damn long. Cut them in half and I won't have time to get bored with them.

It depends on where you are. Seattle summers are amazing (shhhh, don't tell anyone).
- Me in Seattle right now: it's too hot, it's too bright, there are too many tourists, I want the cold and rain back
  
  Today or this week?
  
  I'm in Seattle too. Bite your tongue, today is perfect!
- I was gonna say no way to OP but you're right. If you're somewhere where it's mostly like around 100 F or higher then fuck that.
- Same. I’m in the Seattle area and summer is incredible…skies are clear temps are mostly super comfortable except for like 2 weeks when I need a fan.

Completely disagree. Summer is my favorite season and would remain so in the complete absence of PR.
This post reminds me of a friend in the ad business who told me people only think iced drinks taste better because in the early 1900s some advertising genius created a campaign to convince people of that. No, sorry, cold drinks are more refreshing. The ancient Romans thought so too, and used to haul ice down from the Alps, centuries before the advertising industry even existed.
- You don't need refreshing if you're not already overheated.
- There's a difference between refreshing and better tasting though. Hell, all the beer companies in america know that, which is why you get things like the coors campaign of the mountains changing color if the beer can is cold enough, because cold suppresses your ability to taste. They know they taste like shit but because they're so cold they are 'refreshing.'

No one is talking about autumn? We have splash of color everywhere, Less bugs, comfy clothes, moderate temp and moderate lighting.
- I usually just have allergies throughout.

I mean, summer is different than it was 50 years ago. It's hotter, longer, and dryer.
- And I don't get to stop going to work every day.
- Less rain but more humidity
  
  Not in my area (Utah), we don't know anything about this "humidity" thing you speak of. Even our snow is dry.

I heard there's 104 days of summer vacation, til school comes along just to end it.
- more like 104° days until summer ends
- That's a lot of days. It's hard for us all to find a good way to spend it.
  
  I don't understand this, if I didn't have to work for >100 days, I'd have a blast! Our summer break starts a bit earlier than most places (end of May) and school starts a bit earlier than many places (middle of August), and we have already visited the pool multiple times, visited family across the country, done some hikes, and done some bike rides. The rest of the summer is busy as well, with visiting the other side of the family next month, celebrating Independence Day (I'm in the US), and doing some camping trips.
  If you can't fill 3-ish months of free time, that's on you. I, for one, am going to make sure I and my kids enjoy it.

Winter fans be like: i love winter but I'm never going to go outside and I'll stay inside in my conditioned home
- The last time we had a really solid snow here, which was years ago, I went outside and made a pile of snow and laid on it for about an hour while it was actively snowing. I loved every second of it. Meanwhile all of my summer loving relatives stayed inside and complained for the 4 days that the snow lasted. They couldn't even handle 4 days of weather they didn't like. I live with it year round most years.

It’s all situational. If it’s hot and humid but I’m near a beach, fuck yes, summer rules. If it’s hot and humid and I’m in a big city, dear lord help me, summer sucks.
- Also, I live in the north, so my options are:
  winter - frigid weather where the roads are an ice rink
  spring - fluctuates between cold (random snow storm) and hot, like a woman going through menopause (i.e. one day nearly 100F, the next day there's snow)
  summer - pretty consistently hot
  fall - random storms, school starting (I have kids), and an intro to the aforementioned ice-rink
  So yeah, summer is pretty decent, given the other options.

For a certain definition of PR, this is true. Most of the cultural associations of the seasons come from 'classic' literature, most of which, in the English-speaking world, came from England and New England. How many places in the Southern US actually get a leaf colour change in fall? The cultural touchstones defining the associations of seasons were written in places where the winters are dreary and cold and summers are a bit hot sometimes but not usually too horrible, and certainly not likely to kill you. Try telling someone living in the South of the US that summer is the best season, see how many warning shots they fire past your nose.
- I've lived in the south. I'll take the 100+F days with high humidity. You know why? Because the heat doesn't hurt. It will make you uncomfortable as fuck because of sweat and lethargy, you might get a sunburn, which hurts later, and it can kill you over time, but it doesn't hurt. Cold fucking hurts like a removed. In the summer, I can finish mucking the horse stalls and herding the cows, then head inside and take a shower. Instantly all the uncomfortable heat and its byproduct of sweat/grime is gone. The AC and a little air movement make the heat dissipate in moments. In the winter, I have to head inside and sit by the fireplace or in the shower/bath until the warmth actually makes it down to my bones, because they are aching from the cold, and that can take bloody hours.
  Spring is obviously still the best season, but summer is far from the worst.

Honesty there's so many adverts about sunny holidays via plane that I honestly wouldn't be shocked when oil corps turn out to pay for lots of them. Makes the heatwaves more appealing
- I wouldn't be surprised if you're right

“The Coldest Winter I Ever Spent Was a Summer in San Francisco”
- This quote is often attributed to Mark Twain, but he isn't known to have said it. Could be based on a similar statement about Paris by an English actor named James Quin in the 1700s.

I fucking hate summer. It’s terrible in Florida. Not as intolerable on the west coast.
- Not as intolerable on the west coast.
  On the actual coast, sure. Come to the Central Valley of California, tho. Shit's basically the same as Florida except that it's not guaranteed to rain every day around 5pm. 90-100+ heat with 90-100% humidity. 😵‍💫
  
  And then there's the very visible smog layer you can see from the Sierra Nevadas. You can actually taste the air after stepping out of the Fresno Yosemite airport in August after having been elsewhere with cleaner air. I remember it being a very dry heat most of the time.

As someone who loves hotter days, hard disagree.

False
All 4 seasons are the worst season
- 4 seasons
  Lol, what year is it, 2005?
  You will have two seasons and you will like it!
  
  Hey, we have four:
  winter - random snow storms
  spring - mixed snow and 100F weather
  summer - 100F all summer long
  fall - crazy wind storms, w/ occasional snow storms
  They're all more extreme versions of what we had in 2005.

As someone from the south I was 100% for this, but now I live in the north and I can kinda see it. But I'll never forgive summer for being a hot and humid bastard for most of my life.

Yesssss hard agreeeee

Really depends on location. Summer in my area is brutal and the heat lasts close to 5 months, so yes I agree it’s the worst season. Spring is next simply because of all the hailstorms. Fall is ok but still too warm for actual fall standards. The upside is our winters are mild, so it’s the best season.

Idk, I like summer here in Poland.

Winter can get in the fucking sea because it's so dark all the time. Mid to late spring is definitely best though.

I suffer in these summers, but I still prefer this suffering to the winter. Winter is too depressing. Christmas is about all that is nice about Winter.

I only liked it because I was off. Otherwise, I've always hated summer. I used to dream of having a fall or winter vacation instead. I didn't have AC at home or at school growing up, so if I was going to be uncomfortable, just let me go back. I want to go to the zoo on a nice fall afternoon, not the second coming of Satan's asshole.

Very much agree.

❌hot girl summer
✅cold removed winter

When I was younger I preferred being cool over being hot, but nowadays I almost never think that it's actually too hot. You just gotta adjust your mental, idk how but it being hot is just nice in a way

Poland. It's not that summer is amazing - it just sucks the least.
It's hot and everything wants to eat you, but it's colorful and sunny and summer nights are ahhhhhh...
Autumns tend to be pretty. And rainy as hell. Meh.
Winter was pretty when I was a kid. Nowadays it's autumn, minus pretty and plus balls freezin off. No snow, fuck you.
Spring is wet and green, but also cold. Good contender against summer, barely loses IMO.
Edit: Additional context - when it gets cloudy and grey in Poland, it gets fucking uber depressing. I dunno what it is, but almost can feel thr grey communist past creepin up...

It'll only get hotter and more days in the year will reach these temperature so get used to it

I like summer. Not when it's high heat and humidity, but I do like it being light outside after 3:30 PM.
- I can’t stand it. I can’t sleep well with the sun up. My kids don’t sleep well with the sun up. Who to I have to sacrifice to the sun to get darkness between at least 10pm and 6am? (Though preferably 9pm and 6:30, if the sun is up for negotiations.)

What does PR stand for in this instance?
- Public relations.
- Portia de Rossi

The fame came from a time where the winters were harsh and summers more bland. We are at the tail end of a mini ice age, now the tendency is to winters been suave and summers become hotter. And, with global warming, things are accelerated.
- You'd have to go back to the 19th century for those non-fossil carbon dioxide variations to matter.
  https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11645-climate-myths-we-are-simply-recovering-from-the-little-ice-age/
  
  The notion of nice summers is way older than that, probably.

Fully agree

The forest is beautiful this time of year if you can avoid getting eaten alive by mosquitos and ticks.

Eh, depends on location. Summer at the beach is awesome. Summer in a desert, not so much.
- Nah. I Live in the Great Basin. Anyone who thinks it's a desolate, insufferable landscape can kindly stay away in their coddled temperate baby cribs.
  
  I was more thinking sand dune deserts, Lawernce of Arabia style. I'm sure you can see the differnce of temp between that and a beach. My point was just to say you can't just blanket statement summer without considering locatipn.