Reddit mods are calling for an ‘affordable return’ for third-party apps
They want Reddit to respond by June 29th.
Idk I'm happy I'm off reddit. I use kbin, but significantly less. Less mindless scrolling
dang same I'm way more engaged here and I spend less time it's a huge win win and it just feels healthier
I love reading and writing, replying and interacting. The quality of discourse around here has been excellent so far, the right kind of people have migrated here.
Fully granted that there are many topics in which I'd love to see more activity, but the space is young. Neither Rome nor Reddit were built in a day.
Also, a way to keep track of conversations, an unobtrusive notification and a direct link to the spot in any given thread.
This platform is infinitely more healthy and feels much more like old reddit to me. New reddit is like anonymous Facebook and I have no use for that.
I agree. I check it out to kill a few minutes, feels much healthier.
Right? I think I've downvoted a grand total of a half-dozen comments here in the last month. On Reddit, I'd be handing those things out like candy.
I actually deleted my main account on Reddit a few months back because the toxicity in any comment I posted started to weigh me down (even in the r/Australia sub, it became clear that a lot of people there likely weren't Australian).
I've noticed things have degraded even more there in the past week, and in the Aussie subs, most of them have gone fully toxic.
Yeah much happier here, feels like a new home
Frankly I don’t see how anyone could trust Reddit as the steward of decentralized communities like they claimed to be.
They’re in it for the money, that’s it.
I think it's just changed over time. Reddit was really different ten years ago. Posts by the admins about changes or their actions regarding drama were more common for example.
Ever since Reddit threw Ellen Pao under the bus to make all those controversial changes in 2014, Reddit has never returned to that same level of quality. I remember when they changed the algorithm around that time to some trash version of what it used to be. I used to see world events before anyone else heard about them. After that change it took days for anything relevant to show up in my front page.
Agreed. Reddit mods need to see a sinking ship for what it is and work to migrate their communities to software that actually appreciates what they do. Reddit wants to capitalize on labor of love the mods perform.
Screw Reddit, I've already posted more on kbin/the fediverse than I have since the algorithm changes years ago
Honestly, at this point I don't see any coming back from this. It's been a damned good effort, but Reddit isn't going to back down at this point. The mods are going to have to put up with it or leave. I'd hope they'd leave, but honestly I don't think there's going to be a mass exodus of moderators.
But maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised
Yeah to say that these requests will fall on deaf ears would be an understatement. If Reddit has shown us anything throughout this debacle it’s that they will always do the wrong thing.
That ship has sailed, both ways I'm afraid.
Not only reddit made it exceedingly clear that they aren't backtracking, 3rd party developers equally clearly stated they are out.
I don't see this situation reversing.
Well, the Apollo dev sounded, from the second-hand stuff I've read, to be out. I'm not sure that all of them necessarily are out.
I don't have really high hopes for a reversal, though, agree with you there.
I know rif is shutting down after June 30, and Sync will be redirecting people to Sync for Lemmy. A few others are going subscription-only, though none I used, so I'm not sure offhand which/how many.
Either way, it's a lot of changes all around.
Good to see that 'we'll be in touch' quote being printed at the end of every article.
I know, it was deliciously scathing. This kind of integrity is how you get new readers, I think. Wonder what things would have been like had spez attended that day of kindergarten
Yeah, nah, bro. Why would I get back into an abusive relationship?
Nope.. Spaz isn't going to get my money.
He blatantly treated us all like crap:
I actually deleted my main 7+ year old account (no idea exactly how old) a few months ago on Reddit, because it had grown too toxic there. Really happy with Beehaw, and really excited to see where Lemmy / KBin ends up in a few years time. Already donated to Beehaw
The toxicity from FatPeopleHate, TheDonald and femaleDatingStategy ended up spilling over into all of the other communities over time, as they allowed those communities to flourish
Ironically, 3rd party apps like Sync allowed you to block entire subreddits from appearing on your r/all feed. I used that feature a lot to block out junk subreddits that I have zero interest in.
Yeah.. I was a relay user (removed it yesterday finally).
But, what I mean is that these people who acted that way on those subs, basically got the OK from Reddit to act the same way on every other sub. Reddit never took the hard approach against them. They just pretended to.
Glad to see it, sad to say I still won't go back to enjoy it if it ever happens.
That bridge was Napalm'd, bombed and bulldozed.
Must have been one of those amphibious bulldozers.
The fact that I'm commenting on a post is something I would never of done on reddit means kbin is my new home. I've nuked my 15yr old account and there's no reason to go back.
No thanks. Me don't need no reddit, that's for damn sure.
One does not simply unjump the shark
Good luck getting anything useful out of Lemur-Boy.
So what happens if Reddit doesn't comply to their requests?
Last time mods did a protest by making subreddits private, Reddit threatened to kick them out of moderation at that made most mods just shut up and comply.
Now mods have absolutely no leverage against the admins. I don't sympathize with Reddit, but I lost all sympathy for mods too. They should simply do what we all did, and hop off Reddit for once. Sadly, they care more about their "mod powers" than anything else.
I think some just take a bit longer to leave the communities b they build behind and still try to fix reddit. there will probably be a longer exodus of mods when they realise after July 1st that their communities aren't the same they used to.
of course there will always be bootlickers as well.
Too late for me. It’s just one other social media company subject to the whims of an irrational rich tech bro. Not interested in that whole scene anymore. Reddit is forever tarnished.
After Reddit's response to the blackout protests, what made those moderators think Reddit is going to act nice? The mask has already been dropped, Reddit, represented by Steve Huffman, has already shown their true colors. Anyone who'd willingly trust them after what they've done is just flat out asking for pain.
Having said that, maybe those mods are trying their best to keep whatever semblance of "the old status quo" that might still be left. I also am guessing there's some kind of a psychological trauma thing at play here with them choosing to stay with an entity that has shown its willingness to use and abuse them, even painting them as villains. Sure, it's not a simple thing to just leave--after all of the effort they've exerted taking care of their subreddits. But they've got to realize sometimes, the best move is to just leave, even at the cost of everything they've got left.
Best of luck to them.
One thing about open letters is they almost never accomplish anything. It seems Reddit is digging hooves into the turf on this thing. If they were going to budge, I think they'd be doing it about now. There's only a few days left before the lights go out.
I agree and even if they revert the changes some people just won't go back. They did so much more damage to their reputation since the original issue of API changes.
Reddit won't die as some ignorant people hoped for, but enough people migrated to create something new.
Spez:
I highly doubt Reddit is going to bend on this. They want those third-party apps gone, and that ridiculous pricing is how they’re doing it. They also think that they’ve won. They don’t have any incentive to change.
Nice to see this getting the press coverage that it deserves.
Jay Peters was very objective on this, so much so that Reddit started to refuse to answer his questions when asked for comment.
This is the worst idea
No thanks. I'm good.
Get fucked Reddit
Why would any third party dev want to return after Reddit so thoroughly killed any trust they have?
I think they're trying to compromise something un-compromising.
3rd party apps are out, mods were replaced by force, Reddit hid behind their users like they were a human shield saying "oh, but remember your users and community!"
Reddit has clearly opened the floodgates on what they're willing to do in order to keep the site under control, and every subreddit and user suffers because of it.
Lemmy is at least a way out of that oppression.
I suspect they might end up creating their own brand of astroturfed influencers, at a price.
For example, PR men or sellers of car accessories modding r/carmods or whatever.