PewDiePie's tierlist of browsers

Brave is a series scam company.
- Exactly I'd even use Chrome before I'd ever touch Brave.
- Would you mind giving some context? Ive never used Brave, but my dad does. In which sense is it a "scam"? Would want him to switch if its terrible
  
  People care more about CEO's opinion on politics and hate Web3 crypto more than they understand technical browser stuff.
  Brave is far from perfect and the company had their contreveries but honestly if you disable all the cryptocrap and tweak it a tiny bit so it does not show you ads and feature you don't use it is the best chromium browser in regards to security and privacy.
  Ungoogled chromium by default can't even compare, it's not crap but brave does so much more than it's better for the vast majority of users.
- And yet it uses less RAM in Android phones compared to my goat, Firefox... Man FF needs a lot of improvements, all my complaints come from Android, the browser is perfect even on macOS!
  
  Firefox still doesn't support tab groups on mobile. That's a non-starter for me. Hopfully Ladybird has their shit better put together than mozilla when they finally release their browser
- brave search otoh is pretty gud. I believe they even do their own indexing.
- Ive used Brave for about 2 years. Its great. I have everything turned off, and all shields up, plus deactivated 'Leo' AI. Whats not to like?
- Firefox is a monopoly's pet
  
  all hail lynx

Just because PewDiePie switched to Linux doesn't mean we should listen to his browser recommendations
- True but he's sparking more interest in FOSS so that's still a good thing. I doubt his advice is perfect but if it gets more people started onto their own journey it's a win.
  
  You're right about that, I was moreso saying that his crappy browser tier list isn't worth sharing
- Very true, I feel like people miss the point of his own experience and/or opinion
- not his recommendations

I know it's been said, but Brave is a hard no. Replace it with Ungoogled Chromium. I haven't seen the video so I don't understand why it's in the "not ideal for a normal human" list, and I am biased since I use plenty of "not for normal" tools.
- I believe its this: https://lemmy.world/post/32106925/17916457

What exactly has he done to warrant considering this? He's a yt star, not a privacy expert.
- tits no his list
  
  So somehow even less useful, since the source can't even be verified.
- He's been getting into FOSS and privacy lately
  
  So explicitly not an expert.

Brave 🤮

This is a random screenshot he used in hos video for roughly 2 seconds. This is not his tierlist.

that is not his list, just a random screenshot.
- Yeah i just checked the video and it appeared for like 2 seconds as a side note. He never even tried Brave apparently.
  
  probably just his editor put it for the video

... I don't think listening to random big influencers is a good way forward (in anything).
(As to the list - others already pointed out everything, y'all nerds know shit! <3)

It's vitally important to know which browser is preferred by the guy who says slurs to an audience of children
- B-b-but he has a FAMILY now! Isn't that so WHOLESOME!
- Who hurt you?

Brave? Hard no. Vivaldi? Also no.
Also, where are qutebrowser and Zen?
qutebrowser and IceCat are real top of the game when it comes to privacy. But then, they break some of the sites functionality, especially IceCat who seems to be going under the "if your site doesn't work, it's your site's problem" motto.
- Which is honestly fair? Like, i would enjoy a "unsafe site, access anyways?" button, but if privacy settings break a page that literally is the pages fault for not respecting privacy.
  Edit: typo
  
  Kinda, but I would like to tailor my experience a bit more than "all or nothing".
  IceCat is directly a GNU project, so it's highly ideological - which is important and respectable in a way, but then it gets adoption to near-zero because most sites just don't work out of the box, and to make it work properly means completely removing all safeguards that make IceCat make sense. There's little in between.
  I'd rather have something like LibreWolf, but without phone-home functionality, or at least a switch to turn it off. Out of all Firefox forks I know, only IceCat respects user privacy in this way - 0 connections on startup, and then only connection to actual site and whatever it requires.
  Opt-in telemetry (ideally - leveled) and manual bug information sending are totally fine, though.
- What's bad about Vivaldi?
  
  It’s proprietary

Not of his. This is a known widespread tierlist made by other person (I do not remember if this came from Reddit, a YT video or what, but it is well known)

LibreWolf W. Missing my boy Zen Browser on there tho
Edit: also RIP Mull 😔✊
- What happened to mull ? :o
  
  The DivestOS project mostly discontinued. There is a Fork called IronFox

Ppl focusing on the negative. It's just his subjective list. He doesn't claim to be an expert. Lemmy autism peaking here. More exposure to foss is good guys

Wait. He hasn't crumbled into dust or whatever these "Offputting guy with shit politics who has an inexplicable army of irritating tween fans" youtubers do when they're past their shelf life? I thought he was irritating when I was in high school. That was...what, thirteen years ago now?

I've looked into it and it's not even his tier list, just one he found online.

The only problem with Ungoogled that makes it "not ideal for a normal human" is that fact that it is still cumbersome af to download it. Regular people don't know github and how to click on "show all assets" and pick the right build.
- Isn't installing extensions in it also a pain, since the Google webstore doesn't let you install from it?
  I guess to answer my own question, I looked it up - there's an extension to let you do that alongside some flag changes, so I guess not too bad... But it's another step on the list of things you'd want to do as a user
  
  Yeah that extension should be shipped with the browser to make things easier.
- Is https://download-chromium.appspot.com/ not good enough?
  I don't use this as a my main browser though, just for testing. I don't recommend Chromium backends due to Google control over it.
  
  That's not Ungoogled Chromium, at all. Not even close.
  
  Do you not realize that regular users may struggle to install extensions without the extension store? This is because ungoogled Chromium lacks that feature.

Ngl, feel like his tier list is based on usability while avoiding big tech.
Tbh even if this tierlist is not the best or great, it still is "good enough". Plus the most important thing is to get tons of people interested.
I rather have "good enough" tier list that reaches to millions of people, then have a perfect tierlist that only reaches out to less than a dozen people.
Because amongst the millions of people who are interested, thousands of them will do their own research into privacy and dig deeper into it.
Plus right now, the biggest weakness of privacy is the fact that our community is too small to make an impact.
Having someone give this much outreach and influence to attract attention towards privacy is a good thing. (well, as long as their advice are on the positive end of the spectrum, and pewdiepie's advise surely is, even if its not perfect)
- Sir, this is 2025, we don't do nuanced opinions here anymore.

Brb, double clicking 'Netscape Navigator' to go on 'Ask Jeeves' to look up what this "PewDiePie" is

Never seen anoyone rank brave alongside or even above standard firefox.
No Mull?

I kinda think Floorp is better than waterfox
- Floorp is amazing
- I'm considering switching to Floorp, I'll need to check of Pewdiepie has his reasons and what those are.
  
  He barely touches on the topic of browsers, it's like 40 second segment, i don't think he even made the tier list.
  
  Vivaldi is somehow on top of Floorp so I'd say his reasons are laughable at best.

Superiority complex in the comments.

Still can't believe that Pewdiepie became one of those Linux youtubers, only thing missing is linux distro reviews and why he can't use X software xD

Where's ladybird
Edit - I didn't know about the Transphobia going on there. that is unjustifiable.
- In the trash with the rest of the transphobes
  
  Wait, something happened with ladybird? Or is just a joke?
- gimmie a download link
- Still in development
- Ladybird Trattoria? About 10 minutes away from Linus Media Group.
  Not sure why you asked but you now have an answer, hope it helps
- I mean ladybird certainly would be lowest tier, considering you first have to compile yourself 😂 also it's pre alpha state...
  But it'll be interesting to see how far they've come on 1 year

Kim Kardashian's face care routine.

I like my browser hard AF

Putting Cromite at the bottom most tier makes me discard the entire thing.
- And Brave at the top lmao.
  This dude poopoopie has always been garbage.
  
  Your comment made me look at the list again. I didn’t even realise Brave is located at the very top.
  Also, why is “not ideal for a normal human” at the middle of the list?
  Garbage, indeed.

Why is the open source Chromium ranked worse than Google Chrome?

That's a good find that famous people are getting into FOSS (should be free as in freedom too). But it's really not a good thing that they spread a non expert speaking to the crowd.
Tier lists are meant to be mainly subjective and pretty relative to the person that made it. In that way Pewdipie could quote experts but in no case should make a tier list based on what he found the last weeks (I didn't fully watched the video so maybe I'm wrong and he made a big disclaimer)
- If you watch the video, Felix tells you twice in the same sentence that he uses Arch.
  Lemmy had taught me that this means Felix IS an expert on FOSS
  
  How sorry didn't know, so that make him really one of the biggest expert in FOSS 100%

Stop sharing and platforming the nazi
Also, this tierlist sucks fucking balls
- Oh god how are there so many of you freaks
  
  .ml is full of freaks, and so many instances do not defederate for some ungodly reason... I say make the freaks have to leave their comfort zone if they want to engage with real people.
- Says the banned user.

I couldn't care less about what this character says.

Hey, Cromite is great. Take it under "solid".

Seeing a lot of criticisms. Is there a better tier list then?
- No, just uninformed hate of a youtuber who openly says he's not an expert. Bunch of crusty autistic assholes in this thread for sure.

- He did not promote it though. He said he uses firefox.

It's a youtuber, who made this, and people feel hurt, because he doesn't put their browser at the top. That's just sad. He puts Firefox at the top - I use Firefox, and I still don't care what he thinks about it. I make informed choices, it's not religion for me...
- He didn't even made this, is a screenshot of a bunch of browsers that appears for 2 seconds on a video.
  
  Then it's evwn dumber of people to judge pewdiepie over where browsers are on the list...

No Zen-Browser (though I am not sure when this vid was made), and Pale Moon should be in the "Not ideal for a normal human" at best.

What's with Mull being at the very bottom? It was the best Firefox app
- It is no longer maintained
  
  With this, Vivaldi remains as the only usefull browser from Europe. Konqueror is usefull only for certain tech collectives.
  List of alternatives
  Gecko browsers, nice and valid, but if you need a sync function, if you don't have an own third party or selfhosted one, you need an account with Mozilla, which itself has turned in an advertising company and your account data is shared with Alphabet. They only exist because of the support from Google. Without sync, maybe Zen or Floorp.
  Blink (Chromium) browser Brave, but ads and some shady relations with crypto companies and supported by Facebook. Opera is as private as Chrome or EDGE itself, even less
  Otter Browser (Qt5), nice one, but with difficults to survive.
  SSuite Netsurf (WebView), nice and fast, also reasonable private, but apart the inclusion of the SSuite online Tools, not much possibility to customize (Windows only) The last 2 maybe usefull in old PC with few resources.
  There are also some other marginal forks, but mostly without warranty to be further attended and updated. This is the current panorama, anybody to their like.

Why would you even follow his advice, he's found a new way to generate clicks just ignore his advice.
He doesn't even know mull?

Why is this guy popping up so much lately on Lemmy? I remember thinking this guy was a piece of shit about a decade ago...
I haven't kept up with the times. Was I right? Or did I become an angry old man 20 years to early?
- You could just watch the video
  
  Watching the video is unlikely to answer my question.

Crazy to see how much people on here hate this guy
- yeah, super weird how people hate a fascist
  
  I don't mean this in a mean way, honestly curious -- fascist how? As far as I know he made a couple of distasteful jokes a decade ago and apologized for it. Not great but we should stop using words like fascist and Nazi unless we can back it up.

Librewolf is cancer for regular use
- What issues did you encounter?