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  • Based on the information provided ITT and the OP, YDI; potentially YDM.

    You went overboard with "that doesn't make you look ignorant" because most people will interpret it as insulting, regardless of being true or false. On itself, that wouldn't warrant a ban, only a mod warning; and that's exactly what the mod did.

    Then you kept going. Even after the mod warning. You deserved that 1d ban, and probably more. (To be frank I don't even see a 1d ban as a punishment, it's more like giving time for everyone to chill their heads.)

    Don't get me wrong; I'm no saint, and I've probably said the same shit you said a thousand times. But in those situations you need to learn when to back off.

    EDIT: based on this message, YDM for sure. Yes, the mod is also behaving a bit like an arsehole, but you're going full pass-aggro there.

    • edit: hijacking a comment near the top to say that the PTB here has stepped down as mod after their co-mods called them out in response to DMs from multiple different users complaining about the PTB's actions. Huge thank you to the other mods.

      I just want to point out the comment I made that's visible in the part of the thread you linked there. I got banned for that comment, before I could reply with the evidence (of comments that I had reported, and which are still standing) that prove Wren is a liar when they claim not to have insulted anyone:

      And that's before you get into the fact that they started the whole argument. With some exceptionally bad-faith idiotic whataboutism. Whether OP deserves it or not, that mod is clearly abusing their powers by provoking a reaction and then jumping on the provocation as an excuse to ban dissenting views.

      • I mentioned it in another comment chain, but IMO both Nay and Wren (as a user) were at fault; so while the way Wren as a mod handled Nay was correct, his behaviour as a user was really bad, and part of the reason Nay was rude - this sort of escalation takes two users. So yes, I'm aware Wren is no voice of justice here.

        About your ban, the modlog claims it to be due to "report harassment". It might be bullshit, it might be accurate, dunno; I'd need to see the reports to take any meaningful conclusion. At least your messages (here and here) look fine for me; they're a bit on the rougher side, but both were still within the acceptable IMO.

        before someone calls me out on my own behaviour: yes, I'm aware I do the same sometimes. It's also bad - I'm not pretending to be a saint either.

    • I can respect that. Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.

      Help me with the initialisms, though?

      YDI: You deserved It? What's YDM?

      • YDI: you deserved it. YDM: you deserved more.

        Given the whole content of the thread I feel like 5d for each would be fair - it's long enough to not make it look like a slap on the wrist, but short enough to acknowledge "once the ban is over you're welcome here, but please behave better".

        Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.

        100% agree on that. It's the mod's responsibility to set up the civility standards in a community, and Wren themself set the bar really low. You need to be way more cool-headed in a comm you mod than one you don't.

  • Looks like someone is ignorant of the difference between "stupid" and "ignorant."

    • Ignorant is insulting other users in a community that explicitly forbids it.

      Stupid is failing to take the hint, doubling down and earning a temp ban, and then going after the mod in PMs.

      Let me ask you a question... You've seen sports, right? I mean, maybe not as a fan or anything, but you've seen basketball, football, baseball, games, right? Even a tennis match?

      You ever, once, see someone yell and scream at a ref and have the ref go "You know, you make a salient point, I changed my mind."? No. You know why? Because then EVERYONE will do it.

      • You are the one who started off the stupid argument in a pointlessly combative way, based on trite caricatures of complex and controversial topics, then used your mod powers to delete the responses of the guy you picked a fight with for no better reason than that they said something "unhelpful." It's not what I would call ideal behaviour for a community moderator.

      • As a user you were also behaving poorly there; in fact your interaction with the OP sounds like two children "waaaaah, I asked you first!!11one" at each other. I'm not also blind to the blatant straw man you set up right off the bat, and that Nay was actually spot on when they asked "What -is- communism to you?". I might agree with the way you handled Nay as a mod, but frankly? If I saw both in one of my comms I'd be giving both the same short end of the stick.

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