lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy
lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy
cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/2881638
The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy@lemmy.ml.
If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it (such as lemm.ee).
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
Might be worth remembering here that Lemmy instances, including .world are hosted by regular people. Not massive multinational companies worth billions who can engage the best legal talent around.
If Hollywood comes after a Lemmy instance, Holywood have a huge legal team and endless money. The Lemmy instance has some guy. They could quite literally destroy a persons life. With that in mind, I don't blame any instance owners for erring on the side of taking a stance that won't put them in the legal firing line.
I’m confused, Are they actually hosting anything illegal?
No. .world is just afraid of everything. Better they shut down their instance.
Not sa far as I know.
No, but that hasn't stopped IP holders from bad faith litigations in the past.
Why would Hollywood come after them? It is not like people are sharing movies there. Posts there are etremely mild.
Sony Music is currently coming after DNS provider Quad9 for resolving a piracy related domain, and they've succeeded in two courts so far. At this point I don't think any copyright lawsuit is too stupid to happen.
I'm not saying they are or aren't. I'm simply saying that we all know the big media companies go after people at the drop of a hat. They recently tried to get reddit to expose the identities of people discussing piracy over there. To their credit reddit told them no and defended themselves legally. And that's the issue. The media companies can accuse anyone of anything if it even slightly smells like piracy and the target has to legally defend themselves. This is fine if you're a multibillion valued company. Not so fine if you're just some guy who just wanted to run a Lemmy instance out of his own pocket.
For me, it looks like people are mad at the US defaultism of the decision.
I understand why. It makes for part of the users no sense as they are protected by the law. It looks like a US "shitshow". Countries are protecting the IP of the person, making it nearly impossible to pursue someone. Others have law allowing the use and the copy of copyrighted material for educational purposes. Some allow the download of copyrighted material.
It's the same with GDPR. Meta must comply. There is no exception because US defaultism.
And we can understand this point of view too. It's not binary as the US people think it is. It's more mixed depending of the country.
Generally, outside of this drama, on the internet, people are reclaiming they right and don't want the US "example" anymore. They want the internet following their local laws like the GDPR for Europeans. They have the right to claim it. Thanks to GDPR, mandatory usb-c, battery replacement and others laws in Europe and outside, the consciences of are awakened that the US is not the model to follow in terms of law on the internet and technologies.
lemmy.world is hosted in Finland hence they don't probably live in us
This is a well reasoned answer. If this were my instance I would also ban communities linking to pirated software. A single lawsuit and lawyer bill for a regular guy, and that can fuck your life up all because you tried to run a decent community. I have a username I use for browsing lemmynsfw, I'll make one for browsing piracy related things too.
Some of the comments in here are a fucking disgrace and a disappointment.
I just shut down my own self-hosted instance the other week because of legal concerns. Caching anything and everything that gets pushed to my server and basically having to put all my faith in other admins taking care of illegal stuff in a timely manner was stressful and not worth the risk. And that was a solo instance!
It’s only a matter of time until lawyers backed by millions of dollar come knocking on the door of lemmy admins and I can’t fault lw for being pro-active. Whether or not it’s legal in your jurisdiction to host communities like this doesn’t matter at all if you’re not the one with a name attached to the server. Even wrongful legal claims by copyright holders are costly and time intensive to fight back against.
Why should a private person who hosts an instance for thousands of users for free subject themselves to such a risk?
The entitlement is ridiculous, especially when you can easily switch to another instance and the "problem" is solved. If this was a corporate site, that would be impossible to do.
But obviously that's too much work and it's easier to just be a crybaby.
It's unfortunate, but it's kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.
I guess I'll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.
Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Edit: Didn't mean to ridicule any of you all. I based my comment on my experience when I signed up. At that time there were plenty of instances to pick from and getting approved at my instance of choice was very quick. My bad.
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Maybe I didn't have my crystal ball nearby when I was creating my Lemmy account.
Maybe many users will have an account on the largest server, because by definition it's the largest server, with the most users. 🙄
It’s so easy to change instances, and there are extensions and things to export/import your subscriptions, etc. Just head over to one ones that’s hosting the content, or check out others to see if they will keep federated with the pirate communities. Make the same username, and most won’t even know that you’re posting from a different instance. You can still see everything you did before, just also possibly some other stuff. You might also get beehaw and hexbear (for better or for worse is up to you)! I feel like I might hop instances a few more times before I settle.
because by definition it's the largest server, with the most users. 🙄
Which generally means it'll be the slowest and most overloaded. With federated systems, it's best to avoid large instances.
Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
Some of us made our accounts on lemmy.world within a week(?) of its creation when it was tiny (June 5 for me). Doesn't stop it from belonging on mildly infuriating
Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
no
the only thing that exists is LASIM which will allow to transfert your communities, blocks and profile settings from one account to an other (but you need to create the new account first)
You can use lasim.
No but I believe there is something on GitHub to help subscribe to the same communities once you create a new account.
What a snarky thing to say
Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?
To give credit where it's due, when the big Reddit migration happened many instances could not handle the influx of migrating users. Some people might have only had .world as an option.
Situation still sucks tho. Hope upcoming Lemmy updates make moving accounts between instances easier.
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim is already a pretty easy option
It was the only server that was accepting when I joined. I still have applications at a few, but never got approved. Signed up on startrek.website yesterday. I was motivated by the ddos more than any thing else.
Honestly, I just found this place first, and I don't remember what I came here for. I didn't make an account, then I did recently and now get approved. Lets goo. Options are great the advantage of the Fediverse is that you can always create a new server instance every time. Probably always changing your IP every time the server gets taken down and have none of the names associated with it are the same.
Maybe literally any other instance at all could have not completely glitched out when I tried to sign up back in June.
You are completely right, but account migration also needs to become available for situations like this.
A strength and a weakness. The strength, as you say, is being able to move to a different instance. However, the weakness is that Lemmy (the software) requires each instance to keep a copy of every federated post for its users to interact with. This means they have to host (and be legally liable for) data that they can't police beyond blocking the community / instance.
I made my account here while waiting for the instance I actually wanted to come online
I went with lemmy world so i could catch the widest net in content. And up till now i agreed with the reasoning of the other defederating.s But it seems like it won’t take much to provoke more restrictions. Guess i will have to lurk in other shores.
This is basically what I did not that long ago.
Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.
its not a bug, its a feature! the faceless admins get to tell you watch content you can get now, not a faceless corporations! its so good that all the instances are starting a war with each other over the content they host because it means we have the choice of who gets to decide what content we like to see!.
I can sense the sarcasm of your post, yet the words you've written are actually true. This is exactly what decentralisation is all about. on some other websites you might lose access to the content entirely, on the fediverse you can just go there direct and still get all of the content, nobody can ever take that away from you except for the people who manage that content.
That's literally the main selling point of this kind of setup. Nobody, faceless or otherwise, can stop you accessing any of the content.
This is probably the best option for Lemmy.world. It’s not being run by a big company, after all. Normal people often get screwed when their servers have anything related to piracy on them.
Yeah. It objectively makes little sense that you can google/bing for pirated media and not from other indexes but companies like Google and Microsoft are basically untouchable. I think LW admins have little choice. If you look at the dude who shared Nintendo ROMs you can see that the court was out to set an example and left the services that made people find those ROMs completely alone.
I think people greatly underestimate the expense of legal disputes, in terms of money, time and energy required. When you're going up against industry legal professionals who are backed by large companies with government influence, it's an unfair battle from the start.
I can't blame anyone for giving the possibility a wide berth, and it speaks to the need of more fediverse instances in places with better legal protections. There's a good reason why some services are based in the Caribbean - it's protection from the litigious easily fucking with your entire life with scattershot automated subpoenas.
They never even got a DMCA takedown notice or any sort of copyright claims. Just because one user asked. Wtf
Not only that, it was a brand new account on a totally different Lemmy instance that demanded lemmy.world admins remove piracy related communities.
Honestly it seems like lemmy.world admins were trolled by some random throwaway account and took the bait.
EDIT: The post in question in case others haven't seen it https://lemmy.world/post/3175920, a new account from lemm.ee makes their first & only post in lemmy.world demanding that they defederate & remove anything piracy related.
Lmao. What a shitshow
And now the account that redirected all of lemmy.world has been banned from lemmy.world for ban evasion.
This whole thing is weird
https://lemm.ee/post/4235833 yours got a bad gateway
They should have asked them to change their rules instead. Sharing DL links can get the admin in trouble. LueLinks had to do away with it at one point too, and they were primo pirate site back in the day. I think reddit had r/piracy and other subs change their rules - the one that had links to mushroom spore sellers (forgot the name) had to stop sharing links to sellers that sold magic mushroom spores (not an illegal thing to do). It’s tough, but admin made guiding rules, and that breaks one of them. Plus, if it’s on their server, it could be admins head on the chopping block.
True but it hosted in Germany. That country does not take it easy on piracy...
Even the German specific Lemmy instances like https://feddit.de do not block the piracy discussion communities.
The piracy blocking stuff seems like something lemmy.world admins decided to do based on a troll from another instance demanding it.
That user can sue if they don't obey, in most jurisdictions. If it comes that far, it's too late.
Why would the user be able to sue? Unless they thought their work was being infringed (in which case why they wouldn't send a dmca?) I don't see what possible standing they'd have.
I'm late to comment, so I may be typing into the void.
I understand the admin's decision to limit their exposure to legal risk. I had similar experiences as a small business owner and you would be surprised how quickly most people's idealism is tempered by the risk of potential legal action. It's totally possible to believe strongly in the legality of something and its benefit to society (in this case piracy) and still choose to limit your own legal exposure. As far as I know, none of us paid to be here, so the polite thing to do is say "thank you for hosting us" and move on if it's not your thing (or just make a second account).
I believe our current copyright/intellectual property scheme is broken at best, and designed to fuck us out of every bit of culture that has ever existed, at worst. Piracy exists because the system is broken and the industry is entrenched and refuses to adapt to customer demands. It screws music fans, artists, and probably the individual low-level employees of many music industry companies and organizations.
This is not difficult to deal with, setup an account on another server and stop using lemmy.world
I love these comments. It shows the federation is working. If reddit did this it was "oh no what now" but with lemmy it's just "time to move to another instance"
I just don't like the idea of having 500 accounts after it's all said and done, especially if most of them wind up being unused... unless I'm fundamentally doing something wrong by creating a new account on every instance I want to use?
I mean saying 500 is a little hyperbolic but this is exactly why federation exists and isn’t just another Reddit.
You find what you like and go there. It’s really no different than the old forums. Reddit centralized everything, lemmy is that but also the old way.
I feel a little better about it if lemmy provided migration tools.
It certainly not the end of the world but it is kind of a pain in the ass.
Reddit has plenty of piracy communities, being more strict than reddit is is just unnecessary
They also had quite a few subs that got shut down due to copyright threats. Reddit can afford to fight multimillion dollar suits.
We should just move posting to reddit and have the lemmy instance in question only be links to reddit posts.
Despite reports I have decided to keep the comments open and the post up. I think removing this will only add fuel to the fire.
Thank you for your work!
Beauty of fediverse, people can just find another spot or move to another instance while most of the community continues no problem.
Just an example that system working as intended
but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don't do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can't find any pirating stuff to share.
Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?
Check this program: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
NO idea tbh but looks like someone already thought about it lol
This is fucking lame and will have a HUGE impact on Lemmy as a whole.
Sorry to be blunt, but this is an ignorant and dumb move. Nobody likes over-moderation.
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No, it won't. Only those little bits.
Because that's how the fediverse works.
You should like... not be so quick to call people ignorant. Especially when you're displaying a lot of ignorance as to how this entire setup works.
piracy is the only remaining counter force to the full blown mega corp monopolies that have full price control and right now showing us that with their way above inflation extraction antics.
It’s sad it has come to this but given failure to regulate and the concentration and capture of almost everything by these companies rent seeking everyone really requires some kind of counterbalance.
I’m guessing LW is also prepping for a shareholder sellout down the road.
Who would win?
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One troll account made 10 hours ago.
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the entire lemmy.world userbase.
Admins decide.
the reddit admins ruined reddit, lets move to lemmy so the lemmy admins can ruin lemmy.
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Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I'm on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it's really fucking annoying. Like I'm not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union's genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
The nice thing about federation is that we can all go fuck ourselves and die alone on our personal private servers under a bridge.
Eh, so what? Migrate to another instance.
Always relevant, and will be for any large Lemmy server.
Begun, the Lemmy Wars have.
Guess I gotta instance hop. I need me mateys
I've gotta hop as well; I'm trying to find the biggest/most mainstream instance that hasn't blocked or defederated from the piracy communities. Will have to check this list and find one when I get a chance.
Well at least lemmy.world is starting to look more and more like shit. Can't keep the servers up, keep defeding, absolute nonsense.
I don't think you understand what "defeding" means.
Reddit 2.0
Edit: I saw I got lot of downvotes and I realize my mistake: This is not Reddit 2.0 because not even reddit was stupid enough to block their r/piracy.
Feels like home doesn't it!?
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I love all the salty comments about having to move. Its piracy, it will always be removed if it becomes too popular. This is how it has always been and always will be. No one is obligated to feed you free shit without any effort on your part. They take one place down and you move on. Either get used to it or start paying for services.
I just created an account on lemm.ee - thanks for the info.
Time to make an alt account asap
What a disappointment.
Well glad I had already started changing instances.
Rule 1 is too vague.
No illegal content, including sharing copyrighted material without the explicit permission of the owner(s).
They can defederate with any instance with this rule. Why not just say "because we want to"?
Unless those communities were sharing links to pirated content. If it was just talk about piracy and piracy news then I don't think that's a good reason to defederate.
There are many different laws with different countries. Don't forget that most (if not all) Fediverse instances are run by people in their free time with donations that just cover server costs. They aren't LLCs so there is always the concern about legal issues. Not sure if that is their motivation but could be part of it.
I don’t care about the piracy community but people are complaining about they having to create multiple accounts and saying Lemmy will never reach critical mass like this…
But why would we want to reach critical mass? I don’t want to sound like a gatekeeper but growing just for the sake of growing is never been good on anything.
Specially as Lemmy is still an alpha software. And people are still figuring out how is the better way to moderate ourselves instead of waiting to Big Corpo to do so.
This is part of being an early adopter. You give feedback, sometimes things don’t go your way, other they hear you out.
I’m loving the experience so far. The Fediverse still is not mature enough (we block fast) but we are still figuring things out.
Oh no, anyway. The community itself is still available for the adventurous.
Kind of a shitty move really
Yay Lemmy.world, you kicked yourself in the dick, congrats.
Well, they can just open it on another instance. This is the beauty of Lemmy and the Fediverse.
No need. Users can go to other instances and continue accessing it from there just fine.
Yeah, but we are not expected to deal with this kind of shit too soon and out of nowhere.
Glad I host my own instance so I get to choose what I get to see.
Looks like I need a 5th login.
I'm leaving
Better
I don't think the SDF group will ever defederate or block communities, it's all up to user preference.
I am so glad you can just avoid an instance moderated by clowns and enjoy the full experience with the fediverse.
This thing. This thing always confuses me. Sometimes I see 'removed' and sometimes I can actually read the words people write. I'm always reading from my Mander account, why the disparity? I can read b*t.ch in your post but I often come across removeds
While I generally have a positive view of digital piracy (digital archiving), this is ultimately going to happen to any social media site after it gets big enough, it should be seen as a good thing for Lemmy (growing pains). Either a site gets in trouble and/or shut down for opening itself up to piracy or it proactively bans piracy. Unless Lemmy gets full-time staff to actively moderate and keep an eye out for pirated content in a community dedicated to piracy. It probably couldn’t handle such controversial community that might bring the ire of the Entertainment Industrial Complex on them.
Digital Piracy will continue and we’ll likely see them spin up their own “Pirate Bay” instance somewhere else. Lemmy.world will almost certainly defederate from them, but they’ll be around to those that know where to look, just like pirated content in general.
This is already like that now, they had their own instance from the start.
To be fair, I don't know where world is hosted by at least according to my local law here they'd be right: linking to piracy can get you in trouble.
Now usually you can safely ignore this still, sure. Unless you're large. And with world being so big I could see them being the very first target someone would drag in front of a court if they are in a place where such laws exist. It sounds stupid, but I can understand why the devs would not want to go through that.
@AnimusAstralis The #fediverse does not decide unanimously. What seperates it from #corponet is, it empowering to switch instances if you have a problem with an instances (Through the means of communicating across instances and being able to easily migrate an account) Through competition only instances which have the support of their users wil prevail
As @mojo put it "Stop centralizing ! " Your undeminig the very thing that keeps us from being depended on the mercy of admins
The owners of the largest instance on Lemmy don't want to potentially get into legal trouble.
Lemmy.world users: "omg wut about muh illegal downloads".
There are no downloads on dbzer0, it's a discussion community but go off I guess.
That's one way to tell people to switch instances before it's too late. Thanks for making this public.
Looks politically motivated. Has Piraattipuolue commented?
Reaction there: oh no... Anyway
Welp, this is the thing that got me to get rid of my lemmy.world account and move to lemm.ee. There were other issues I was able to overlook, but I need a community willing to stand up to laws that go against the interests of the people.
Oh man. It's not like I can't understand the logic behind it, but active niche communities are the one thing lemmy really lacks as of right now, and piracy was one of the earliest and biggest exceptions to that. What a shame.
Welp, time to find a new instance.
I just used that lasim tool and it worked perfectly.
It's weird seeing otherwise normal working class people rush to defend admins, moderators, governments and authorities all the time in situations like this. I'm imagining some college kids working at starbucks or grocery stores picking up their phone in between customers posting replies championing copyright law. It's embarrassing
Oh wow... They were a big reason I made a Lemmy account at all.
Fact is, they have good reasons to. Lemmy likely was threatened by a larger industry that could've thrown millions of dollars around in a court to get Lemmy taken down. The guys running Lemmy wouldn't have enough money to win a lawsuit, the website could easily be taken down by a larger entity. When it comes to losing the community or blocking a couple communities, it's an easy choice. In summary, they're just trying to save the website by avoiding future lawsuits, and these communities still exist but can't be accessed on Lemmy itself.
Nice. It was inevitable. A general lemmy instance needs to protect itself.
Ridiculous. My alt has already become my main due to the outages. Now I’m never going back.
What the heck?
Seems like my backup account is about to be my main account after all LMAO.
For legal reasons? Isn't lemmy.world hosted somewhere else but the USA?
This is bullshit honestly, I hope they back up from this decision.... Unlike Beehaw defederating from others because of light reasons.
It was inevitable and it's not their fault. Because of how the Fediverse works it means they're storing all content from those communities on their servers too. This means they're storing piracy content and can be subject to a takedown.
We knew larger instances would defederate from piracy communities at some point, don't take it out on the admins.
The communities discuss piracy, not host the content. They are two different things.
The user that requested it was a troll account create dhours before. The same user then went on to create a transphobic community and post hate. Not the sort of person the admins should be knee jerking to.
The communities discuss piracy, not host the content. They are two different things.
Yup, agreed 100%. The mods didn't handle this “complaint” appropriately.
I see the mods and admins are both not paying attention and are incompetent.
Thanks for posting this so I knew to subscribe to the community on a different instance!
At the moment clicking on the links of the defedereted instances opens the instance in the browser.
I hope clients/apps like Sync/Connect/Summit/Infinity etc give us the feature to browse these defedereted instances even if we logged into lemmy.world
I know you can't post/comment/save, but for many, ability to browse would be enough.
A toggle in the settings for this feature would be enough.
And here I am.
Wait... What does that mean for me, whose account is on lemmy.dbzer0.com ? Legitimate question, I'm not totally familiar with how everything works yet
Nothing. It's just 3 communities on dbzero that are blocked and as far as I know, they're only blocked on .world. There's no defederation so you as a user signed up to dbzero can still participate in any .world community and any .world user can still interact with communities on dbzero apart from the three named.
Thank you!
Come on over to our canadian instance at lemmy.ca We accept everybody and are kind with everyone!
Eh
Wow. Well here I was wondering if I should stick with kbin or switch back to lemmy.world. Guess this makes the decision for me.
I'm so thankful the kbin.social owner doesn't give in to the relentless cries and pearl clutching for censorship. You want piracy? Go right ahead! You want to make fun of politicians? Be my guest! You have the "wrong" political beliefs? Just don't go there if it offends you.
From my understanding, Safe Harbor Provisions in the US ensure that as long as the owner responds to DMCA requests in the allotted time, they are not liable for what users post on their sites.
Seeing as the Fediverse is way under corporate radar so far, it seems to be prudent to just wait and see what happens. Then maybe enforce a "no direct links to piracy" if needed. I don't think you can sue a site for simply referring people to sites that do have illegal content, just hosting.
This is why it's called sailing the seven seas or something
My personal opinion prefer to keep certain special interests communities less exposed to general public, ie fight club rule 1.
Is blocking a community the right approach? I think so, from the perspective of a general populous instance.
I say, good for them. Nothing good will come from them keeping that path open. As I already have all piracy instances blocked- it’s of no consequence to me, but if lemmy.world sees this a necessary to their survival/success, good for them.
And that’s also the beauty of lemmy… if people don’t like how an instance is run, they can find another. There are plenty that will work for whatever you’re into. Wether it’s piracy, or any other illegal act.
I am glad I chose an instance with a lower userbase
Am I glad that I just switched instance anyway, I only subscribed to one of those previously but now I will subscribe to all three just because I can!
Join an NSFW instance. You do not have to subscribe to NSFW content if you don't want to.
So I've seen u/loudWaterEnjoyer suggest the Divisions by zero instance, which I applied for (be sure to follow the vetting rules!), and u/Historical_General mentioned and suggested the lemm.ee and lemmy.ml instances, but it appears that the .ml TLD throws a "registration_closed" error...
Anybody have any other suggestions for backups and secondary accounts, that aren't
lemmy.dbzer0.com ,
lemm.ee , or
lemmy.ml
??Well, I was already planning to spin up my own instance. Guess this is as good of motivation as I needed.
well lemmy.blahaj.zone doesn't block it (not sponsored ad)
It's reasons like these that I like to create 2-4 different accounts on different instances for all around the fediverse , so that if one fails I've got a backup, but also so I can "pick and choose" which pros and cons of each instance I like.
It's obviously more to keep track of, but I encourage others to do the same: create like 3 different accounts on different instances, and toggle through them whenever you need something that one offers that another doesn't.
Well, sucks to suck I guess.
Not following any communities like that, BUT thank you for pointing to that tool! Just used it to create my lemme.ee profile 😊 super neat!
How does this work? I thought only users can block specific communities. My account is on Lemmy.world, but if I'm reading community on lemmy.dbzer0.com, that stuff is stored their server, so why does lemmy.world lock me out of reading it?
You are not reading content from lemmy.dbzer0.com unless you specifically have only that at the beginning of the address. If you have lemmy.world instead, it means you are trying to view content cached there, which no longer exists.
Dammit.. moved to lemmy.world cos they seem friendly and now this shit..
Anyone knows of an instance which didn't block anything? I don't want to self-host.
First blocking Hexbear, now blocking dbzer0. Obviously the Lemmy.world admins are taking the "lemmy.world being so big is bad for the Fediverse and people should move to smaller instances" critiques to heart and trying to incentive users to move
They've only blocked some communities from dbzer0, not defederated from the entire instance
Just shows how sensationalized this post tries to be, Probably to fit someone's agenda
I didn’t know this was a feature of Lemmy? Won’t it just repopulate from whoever is subscribed to that community?
I've never seen one block only one community out of an entire instance, but it's not surprising that they could. I'm assuming like an instance block, all lemmy.world accounts would be officially unable to so much as see new content from there, so no, it physically can't repopulate.
However, the admins will have to play whack-a-mole for a good while every time another one crops up and I'm getting the sense that unlike my fool's errand of blocking every sports community, they stand to be sued out of existence if they fail.
Maybe a bit rich coming from someone who doesn't have to pick up and move, but it's well-known to be an overloaded server anyway and after the initial Beehaw shock, the concept is really whatever to me as long as the fact that it's blocked is widely known. Probably new users will always have that shock, but mostly what it accomplishes is to encourage people to spread out and keep alts if they have too much FOMO.
Why would lemmy world do this?
Yeah sorry, hate to say it but admen got trolled pretty hard on this one.
Well there's a "darkweb version of Reddit" called DREAD But then again we all know how most people are "Afraid" of the DarkWeb because of media propaganda. Additionally, you'll have to endure reading DREAD while it's in light-mode (if you use the "Safest" setting in TOR)
People gonna look out for their legal selves. Can't be mad about that. I moved to avoid the occasional downtimes. Extra benefit that monero doesn't block these communities. I know they're hosted in Germany so maybe that's the difference?
I've never pirated anything made by a giant mega-corporation! That would be wrong and immoral!
If it's sarcasm, how naive of you. If not, i agree
Will we still have access to other similar communities in federated instances or are those blocked too to lemmy.world users?
I mean I get it, it’s a business move. I’ll just make an account there and continue to use it. Pirates sail the seas with their own ship and crew - they’re used to this sort of thing 🏴☠️
Lmao removeds. I'm leaving
I need help. Can someone log in to lemmy dbzer0? I cant, every time I try I get a 400 bad request error.
What an absolutely cowardly move. It's one thing to not allow piracy on your own server, that's you're right, but to prevent your users from accessing communities on other servers? Way to give in to copyright trolls without even being asked. I would understand even if they received some kind of Cease and Desist. It doesn't seem like it, it seems like they're just willing sycophants who will probably federate with Meta at first opportunity.
The problem with how this system works is that you have to accept all content on your servers that you federate with. Even linking can violate DMCA.
The fact is we don't allow copyrighted material, torrent files or direct download links on c/piracy anyway, it's against our rules. So this whole thing is based on a malicious misrepresentation of our community, initiated by a user with a grudge against us, because we banned him for posting anti-trans and racist content.
that may technically be true, but I think people should be more willing to take a stand, and not just pre-emptively bow down to the copyright trolls, because it's basically legally unenforceable especially the larger this the federation gets
I'll give them credit that they didn't defed the entire instance and I guess it's their server their rules
I think that the ability for servers to defederate from each other is the most distasteful thing about Lemmy. I get it, admins need to be able to stop their users from being exposed to e.g. illegal content should another server they don't control allow it, but there's got to be a better way than this. The primary effect is going to be things like this, things like ideologically opposed servers blocking each other, things like Threads being blocked whenever it federates. We don't need a million little fragmented walled gardens.
I don't get it.... You can start 100 pirate instances if you want. Just not federate with Lemmy.world.
They should moove to burggit.moe lol they have a no DMCA takedown policy.
Booo
WOW! Turns out lemmy.world is managed by even bigger dickheads than reddit. Fucking pussies.
Rule #1 say "Be respectful", but reading this kind of bullshit... How the f*ck you can be respectful with those...!?
Itt: children crying that something got blocked. They also don't know how lemmy works if they just removed about where it's hosted.
Lemmy is mirrored with all federated instances
It's rule #1 on their rules page (bottom of page): https://lemmy.world/legal
I wouldn't expect to be able to use a general purpose server for sketchy content. Who would want that liability?
lemmy.world rule 1:
No illegal content, including sharing copyrighted material
c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com rule 3:
Don’t request or link to specific pirated titles
So c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com doesn't even break that rule. It's for discussion. Unless you take a very broad reading of not allowing the sharing of resources that could be used to pirate copyrighted material, but that's not an issue anywhere else
Even reddit hasn't banned their piracy subreddit. How much effort does it take to be worse than spez?
Reddit has banned many piracy subreddits in the past which shared copyrighted material. r/soccerstreams being a huge one.
Reddit piracy sub is rather neutered and every piracy related sub is quite explicit in having no links to pirated content, torrents included. Dbzer0 instance is very free for all.
It's illegal so of course they have to block it.
You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it's on Lemmy or not?
Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.
It's adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.
You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?
If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.
lemmy.world admins look a lot like spez and his goons. They also defederated from Hexbear not that long ago.
You are definitely the goon, in this situation.
So far lemmy.world is proving to be exactly what I want, stable. Starting to think I can start putting down roots and not worrying it's gonna go away any time soon.
Can always make other accounts I don't care about if I want to do things that don't make sense to do here.
This one has got the lemmy.world turbo redditors upset
Get over it. Maybe try paying for shit instead of stealing.