Smart TVs taking snapshots of your screen and phoning home - Is there a list of IP ranges to block?
My question is: Can you block the IPs it's phoning home to without breaking other TV functions, like OS/app updates, etc? Is there a list of IPs available for smart TVs specifically that keep the fingerprint from being received by the mfg?
There's no need. This is a very simple fix. Block your TV from the internet using your router. Then plug in a $20 Google TV box or Apple TV. Problem solved.
There's no need. This is a very simple fix. Block your TV from the internet using your router.
Exactly.
Then plug in a $20 Google TV box or Apple TV. Problem solved.
"Sometimes, when I have a problem - I throw a molitov cocktail. Then pretty soon, I have a completely different problem!" - Jason, The Good Place
(Referring to blocking Samsung's telemety, by embracing Google's or Apple's. Honestly, I trust Apple the most of the three, but I don't thrive inside a walled garden, myself.)
The difference is, if the TV box does something I don't like, I can unplug it and plug something else in. If the TV does something you don't like, theres nothing you can do to stop it.
Case in point, Roku's forced arbitration nonsense. If your TV was disconnected, there's no way they can force any changes at all on you.
Some TVs have been found to continually scan for open wifi networks to connect to in order to ship back the telemetry they gather.
Leave it offline and use a separate android TV box.
They're like $25 now. Enjoy using your TV like a computer monitor as intended.
Are there any good options for Android boxes? I just need SmartTube and Emby. Otherwise it's just going to be a giant screen for my XBox and PS5.
Ironically enough as it is to believe, the Walmart branded ONN ones are pretty mundane. Spend a little for the more premium model that they sell. It doesn't block you from doing basically anything and they're very vanilla. I don't know if there's any background spying going on from Walmart or not but the OS itself doesn't seem touched, but you can lock it to a VLAN if you want. I consider my entire default routed network hostile and selectively run my PCs on a separate private dns and network. I find it's easier to jail myself than jail the malware every time I buy something new.
I use an nvidia shield. They’re good
Native Google play store. So you can get any app
My LG TV regularly pops up a window asking if I'd like to connect it to the internet. 🙄
Call customer support, say your 90yo dad is staying with you and you need to disable all wireless devices that will interfere with his medical devices.
Is there a list of IP ranges to block?
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I never enable the smart part. You want the smart part on a TV you are going to enable telemetry even if hou declined privacy agreements. I don't trust any TV manufacturer, for sure not LG.
I use a seperate setupbox (Shields) that I can control with a pihole. So all my other input sources like my gaming PC’s, or the ones I use for tax and insurance do not get monitored by content recognition from the tv or Google. My LG oled's work fine without updates.
It will be easy to detect if a TV is trying to connect to an open network even if you disabled the networking part. Network sniffers… I would throw out that TV in a heartbeat. Mostly hardware that can't connect to an ip start requesting connection at a frequent rate, like my Nanoleafs blocked by pihole. Very desperate….They are top of the blocked ip's.
Some TVs do not give you that option though. Shield or not, I have one that will straight up block 90% of the screen every 10 minutes if it doesn't have a connection.
I would toss it, but it was 250$ and 65" with a decent display. So I used ssh to get into it and install a firewall to block 90% of the TV from access, including the update service. Also have filtering through my network firewall for ad servers, update servers etc.
So now the scan for a connection works, but they aren't getting much of anything in terms of metrics or telemetry or other information from the TV. I also disabled the default launcher and installed a different one on it as well as jellyfin.
I will never buy another TV like that though, it was an absolute pain to get it working. It should be illegal to hinder usage of a TV just because they are being blocked from invading your privacy.
All but one of my TVs is a smart TV, none of them are connected to the internet. I tried with one, it was slow and difficult to use. I use a set top box instead. Even when I was using a 10+ year old Roku it performed better than the TV did.
I recently bought a smart TV with google because it was more responsive than other TV’s on display. After I got it home, connected it to the internet, and updated everything it slowed so much that it’s unbearable to use now. There is a 2-5 second delay for every button press including changing the volume.
Maybe a factory reset (hopefully) will bring back the original firmware.
That used to be my solution, too. Sadly Roku don't seem to be any better for privacy, anymore.
It's so nice to see someone enjoy a private corner to right-think in!
Most likely it's calling home using a fqdn. Set up your own DNS, force all your devices to use it (use dnat in your firewall). Then watch which fqdn's you TV uses and blacklist those. That's how I do it ( I use technitium DNS)
Sure, that applies when you are tech savvy. The problem comes to all tv sets elsewhere, where people is completely unaware of the issue. There should be an option to fully opt-out of any telemetry, or vendors to open the specs on the tv bootloader so it can be "easily" replaced
This may be cringe, but consider using an Apple TV box, every time I download a new app. It gives me the option to tell itnot to track.
This is good start.
Though it is kind of the technology equivalent of "asking nicely".
I prefer GrapheneOS where my choice is enforced by the OS, rather than passed politely on as a request to the app developer.
At least app developers who ignore it may get kicked off the Apple app store - if they are caught.
For what it's worth, it seems to have been enough to deter Facebook from deploying their latest spyware innovation to iOS.
Yeah, that is literally why I jumped ship from android to iPhone was because Facebook lost $11 billion because of Apple do not track, that was all I needed to hear
I never understood why geeks would own a smart TV. The solution is simple. It's called a monitor. If you're fancy you get a projector. Connect that shit to a secure box and be done.
It's really not that hard. I never understood how people find it so difficult to understand.
Monitors are made to be viewed up close for the most part. And as such they don't exist in TV sizes. There are a few, but they are super expensive.
Projectors suck. A good projector that gets close to the image quality of a decent TV will cost quite a lot. And the way they work, they don't always work in every room.
Inb4 digital signage. They suck too. They're made to be bright screens to be viewed outdoors or in bright large rooms and to be switched on all day. They don't have image quality comparable to an actual TV because they aren't made for image quality.
So yeah, if you want a large screen with good image quality to watch stuff on from your sofa 3 meters away, a TV is very very often your only realistic option. And since nobody makes a decent dumb TV anymore, you're essentially stuck with smart TVs.
I use IDS (interactive digital signage) for my TV in my bedroom, but I have good reasons: I work for the manufacturer, my job involves using it and I work from home, it was free.
Picture quality isn’t incredible, but it’s not bad. SDR 4K LCD, so obviously lacking a bit compared to commercial TVs. But again, free and I needed it in my house for my job so I already had limited options for where to put it.
I would not recommend buying one. They expensive, image quality is substandard, and you can’t actually just buy one individually.
Some of the monitors are going smart. I won't be buying those.
I disconnected my smart tv from WiFi and just use my own home network. By setting up a static ip address on both my tv and media server through the eXXXX device, and connecting the two via Ethernet cable, I can access any media I have saved on the server from the tv with little to no lag. This allows the tv to continue being “smart” to some extent, but only with the addresses I specify. It’s also arguably better since Ethernet speeds are usually 100+mbps for me against 2mbps wireless speeds.
I just turned my tv into a giant monitor. The media / retroarch PC runs Kodi, the tv just displays.
As far as it's concerned the internet doesn't exist
Even if there was a list and you could narrow it down you still shouldn't trust it. You're just one update away from a slight IP or DNS change and you'd never know because you never come back to check it.
Never use your internal TVs apps. Go buy a $20 android TV stick and deebloat/degoogle it.
If a new feature comes out that you can't live without, buy a different stick. It's the one part of the equation you can actually upgrade
Jokes on them my tv is a dumb tv and can't do this. I will go back to tube tv before I buy a smart one.
The only method of displaying video that I use on my tv is via an hdmi cord connected to a laptop. Ever since they first started shitting out the first tvs with pirated content detection years ago, this has been the only method of displaying content on a tv I use. I make damn sure my tv can't connect to the wifi and doesn't have an ip address at all. Maybe I'm not even going far enough. I haven't checked to see what types of radio signals come out of my tv but its old enough it probably doesn't have any funny business in it. Enshitification must lose. The same way corporations collude together to rob us of every last nickel and dime they can, I want to rob them of every last piece of monetizable personal information they could possibly extract.
Just use a non-smart TV (or even a display panel) with a HTPC. It doesn't have to be expensive, you can use a fucked up 15 year old laptop that's had the entire lid ripped off and it'll be more than good enough for streaming. Trying to work with smart TVs is just polishing a turd.
Find me a dumb tv anywhere near the performance+size+price of a mid-to-high end smart TV right now. I can find some monitors but they're not well reviewed, not readily available to consumers, not meeting the same specs for e.g. HDR, wide gamut, or otherwise, while being wildly more expensive.
This is not a failure of the consumer. There is no way to vote with your money if you're looking for a good TV.
I'm decently happy with the oled pc monitor and use it for everything, but the oled refresh pop up is fairly irritating especially since it happens even when set not to bother you and wait for next screen off. the power led changing colour as an indicator of it being time would also be nice.
I use a high end TV from 15 years ago
Not internet connected and it supports HTMI power on
I like to set up a pi hole and watch devices cry
Another aproach is to use a smart power outlet or surge protector like the ones on gearscouts.com to completely cut power to the TV when not watching - can't phone home if it's not even powered.