The Adblockalypse is coming

Brother they went evil when they went publicly traded.

2 years from now Firefox will have blocked adblockers, and there will be chromium based browsers (not Chrome) that won't have them blocked.

I don't see why people seem to be thinking a large company in a capitalistic landscape isn't going to side with profits. Firefox will oppose it openly right now and take the new users and then move to the same without lube and without apologies.

Small browsers that still have some morals before going public will build browers off chromium because of its ease, and they will be able to exclude those blocks. Likely means we will be using different browsers every few years until something else changes.

Maybe I'm pessimistic here, but anyone who just moved from Reddit to Lemmy should know that Firefox isn't the answer, it is another greed driven overlord.

Mimicking the tokens on the otherhand... those sites we will need to boycott if possible.

same, I think I might start reading more books again, I wanted to do that for a long time now but I never head "enough" time as I always spent so much time on the internet

Sounds like a good reason to stop using Google services and products. Some examples (note, I haven't used some of these yet):

Search - DuckDuckGo

Email - ProtonMail

Drive - Dropbox

Sheets/Docs - Zoho

Some of these examples may not the best for everyone, but my point is that we do not have to let Google continue to push us around.

Feels bad but I can't condone this behaviour anymore and I feel ashamed that I haven't seen the greed Google is capable of doing.

In the coming months I will do my best to migrate away from the Google system, even if I end up paying a tad more, maybe just in time to set up a home server for photos.

Mozzilla be suing

Oh, but it will not be GOOGLE's next step. I dont think it is the goal anyway. They only need to help site owners to sign up to their WEI thing, and there will be oh so many incentives. Google will be happy to license it out, or even make the toolkit fully opensource, to whoever wants to implement it in their browser, regardless of the engine used. Their obvious ultimate goal is to show the ads with no interruptions, which also happens to be the desire of most of the websites. And many websites will willingly implement it on their side, they do not really need too much encouragement.

There is no way anything like this would ever go through. Google's own lawyers would quickly put a stop at this. It is known that Google sometimes has used features that for Firefox is problematic at least for YouTube, but it eventually is resolved by changes in FF

Been using since release. I never felt like I was making some kind of compromise by using it. Firefox always had their shit together from my experience.

Now, it's on par with Chrome or better than (tradeoffs and personal preference), even for developing web apps. Firefox dev tools pull ahead of Chrome's, then Chrome catches up and does something new and useful, then Firefox catches up, and so forth.

Firefox is good. It's not like "I'm leaving Photoshop for the GIMP" kind of thing-- It's like "I'm leaving Honda for Toyota."

When chrome was released, Firefox felt bloated visually and slow. I switched to chrome with the initial release, then tried to come back to Firefox some years later. Still felt like it was slow.

Im back trying it again. The desktop browser seems to work alright, but I'm growing weary of the Android app.

Been using FF since forever, never felt my experience was in any way slow compared to Chrome.

It was really slow before Quantum happened and it's smooth sailing ever since imo.

i remember it looking pretty sketchy and bad back in the day while chrome looked a lot nicer and user friendly

im a firefox user now i think chrome looks ugly compared to firefox nowadays

Did they lift the "only curated extensions" bullshit yet? I'm on Kiwi just to be able to run my own (unpacked) extensions that FF doesn't let me do so.

Funnily enough Chromium actually consumes less RAM and is safer due to better sandboxing.

But neither of these concern the average user. However, the main difference between the browsers user may notice is how pages that are still loading behave. Firefox has the correct behavior. Aka waiting for vast majority of the elements to finish loading versus Chromium just going "if it's rendered it's intractable." This unfortunately means that Firefox feels slower even though it's actually faster.

Also, on behalf of the dark mode enjoyers, flashing white for a moment while launching, loading web pages or updating contents of a webpage is incredibly annoying. None of the Chromium browsers flash white on dark mode.

I believe that there is an extension for Firefox pwa support, but the Android version definitely supports pwas natively.

There are 36 pages of translation extensions. The official one works without the cloud, which is pretty unique.

Personally I like the Immersive Translate extension. You can select your preferred translation engine (cloud based, but it supports many) and it shows you both the translated text and original text by alternating the paragraphs.

Sadly the only thing it's lacking. Saw a couple of years ago they were looking at different technologies to implement it client side for privacy reasons.

Before post edit:
While looking for the source i found this:
Firefox Tests Privacy-Friendly Web Page Translations

It's coming bby!

simple translate

@NamesArrHard @clearleaf, better than a extension is to use this one for Desktop, so you can use it independent of the browser.
It's FOSS, multiengine for 125 languages, customizable shortcuts, Windows and Linux

https://crow-translate.github.io

I'm not sure, but Firefox on iOS isn't true Firefox. To my knowledge, Apple doesn't allow browsers to use anything but their Safari engine. As another user put it, "Firefox on iOS is barely more than a skin for Safari."

I can speak to Firefox on desktop and Android, however: they're fantastic!

tl;dr: If FF sucks on iOS, it's Apple's fault.

Firefox on ios is barely more than just a skin to Safari.

I mean this with no personal enmity: piss off with your iPad. (Don't expect power user features to actually be good)

Nah, Apple doesn't allow any other browser engines on iOS other than their own, so every browser available on it is just safari.

Uhh what? I've been using Firefox on Android for a looong time and there are tabs...

Enjoy your chromium experience with blank spaces and cookies popups then

They may kill this iteration of ad blockers. But there will always be another and another. Google has a lot of smart people working for them. There are also a lot of smart people in the FOSS community that will eventually find a way around it.

At the end of the day there will still be people recording songs by holding two boom boxes together.

Donate to orgs like the EFF, Mozilla, and the FSF. Lobby your congressperson, your senators, and Biden to make the FTC to start doing its goddamn job again and enforce antitrust law.

The only real solution to this creeping megalomaniacal monopolistic behavior is legislative.

and then 75% of people can't use your website and then people stop using it? That wouldn't work

Except safari of course (almost 20% market share).

Also, there are plenty of other browsers using Mozilla’s gecko engine. A quote from Wikipedia: “ Other web browsers using Gecko include GNU IceCat, Waterfox, K-Meleon, Lunascape, Portable Firefox, Conkeror, Classilla, TenFourFox.” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_(software))

Librewolf - desktop

Mull - mobile

Both firefox forks

Firefox have the same problem with the WEI filter, they also have to insert in Firefox the Google Token, same as any other, if he want to enter a Web with this fucking filter, anyway Mozilla will do this in FF precisely because several Google devs in Mozilla which are working on FF (Bad decision of Mozilla to have Google as main sponsor). Ad/trackerblocker are not the problem in Vivaldi, it has inbuild the needed filters (even those to block Cookie advices and adblocker warnings) and until now it has gutt out every Google intent with FloC, IdleAPI and others to control the Chromium base (remember, also Chromium is FOSS and customizable,above with first class devs Vivaldi has), also don't have and don't depends on extern inversors, but this fucking WEI DRM of websites is a greater problem and need to be avoided by ALL browser companies which are not Google in common, if there is not a genius which invent something to fake this Google Token. We'll see.

Which makes it weirder why take a grudge against us.

most people don't even know this drama exists.

Guilty, I'm ootl. Can someone explain why my Everything feed is all about browsers?!

I noticed my YouTube become extremely slow. I was using edge for watching videos. Chrome eats the ram and this ad block makes it easier to just switch. The next attemp would be how to avoid them showing use chrome whenever I google or use gmail or so.

I don't think that's good excuse. Firefox is free and installing it takes less than 10 minutes.

Lol. The privacy bits are what always make me doubt people who say they use iOS for privacy reasons. They'll scream that and then install every google service they can on the same phone.

Most people just use the default browser on their phone, even in developed countries. Add to that Google's constant nagging to switch to Chrome which has a powerful effect at keeping their dominance.

Fonts look fine here under FF:

https://i.imgur.com/49rQvIH.png

We use hangouts for work calls and Firefox acts weird with it so keep chrome around for that.. it's super annoying.

What kinds of obscure websites do you visit

I think I saw this mentioned in another thread, but doesn't WEI also break pihole?

Its already a thing

Not to mention AdSense and YouTube with whatever percentages they control of their respective markets. Google holds a lot of separate monopolies for just one company

To install Graphene OS onto a Pixel Phone.

Well said, we must never give up in the battle with ads.

Google is the source of most of the funding to Firefox. Can go 100 to 0 anytime basically

I feel like that might trigger an anti-trust lawsuit somewhere.

Someone will most likely create a fork to remove this or an option to disable it will probably be baked into about:config. I don't visit many sites that use DRM. When I do visit sites that require it, I'll usually shift to Ungoogled Chromium or Brave.

Another one of my major fears with this change is whether Google will decide to make Chromium closed source and the implications it can have for other chromium based browsers.

Don't worry, I stopped using chrome

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/0i0Ho-x7s_U&

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.

lol

https://github.com/dr460nf1r3/firedragon-browser

...therefore, the more people who switch to non-chromium browsers, the better.

You're preaching to the choir.

Within 6 months of implementation someone will find a way around it, or a FOSS alternative to spoof the WEI signing on servers.

I wouldn't complain. Good riddance.

That's not how it works.

Your bank will implement WEI API. Facebook will too, same as Gmail or Youtube. Any browser that does not support or has removed the WEI API will not be able to display or use any of those websites. It's the same with Netflix or Spotify - if you try to use it in a more privacy-centered browser, it simply does not work - because it those browsers do not support EME API (which is a DRM that was implemented few years ago, but for media). Firefox was against it, by the way. Firefox also quickly backed down and implemented it anyway once it rolled out, because "We ArE FoRcEd tO Do It", due to their already dwindling marketshare and people complaining and switching to other browsers because their shit ain't working on Firefox.

Everyone keeps saying "I will never use a browser that does support WEI!", but somehow it feels like they don't really realize that their internet will simply stop working for most of the content they consume, since there's no reason for Google or Facebook to not use this opportunity to forcefeed more ads to people.

I don't think post is talking about Web Environment Integrity. I instead think that it's talking about Manifest v3 as the Chrome web store now blocks Manifest v2 extensions from being submitted - with support expected to be removed from Chrome in 2024.

Sure. But I also professionally use a product that works better on Chrome (and Edge nowadays) so I'm lazy about it. Eventually I'll move to Firefox on my home PC. But in on my work PC and phone 95% of the time already so it's not going to make a huge dent.

I don't see this point anywhere in this discussion, but what speaks against spoofing it?